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imallinson
United Kingdom3482 Posts
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Bigxiao
China2 Posts
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ashortstory
Brazil160 Posts
On May 14 2012 05:01 Nelz wrote: PS : seeing the result on the past days, he lost a lot against protoss and won nearly all his games against terran, it's just ladder but we'll see next week. Thing is... Stephano was too precipitated when people were asking him about ZXP.. He kept saying "Prottos needs a buff, too ez to kill" and stuff like that. Being really honest here, It was really dumb of him to say such thing. It`s pretty obvious that the Prottoses of today know how to deal with 3 base zerg 12 min max-out.. When this strategy was about to get really popular it was just a matter of time to prottos to adapt with. Perhaps he can figure something out. SC2 is pure metagame, if prottos adapted to the strategy, now zergs need to adapt again. Well don`t bash me guys! It`s my opinion and I do think it was some logic inside.. I really think Stephano and others zergs will have a hard time to beat prottos day after day from now on, as the game gets more and more complex in terms of strategy and decision making And I recognize ladder doesn`t mean anything, but we also know it`s Stephano`s first choice to train massively. I`ll have my "answer" when he plays the next tournaments against good prottos | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On May 14 2012 14:37 ashortstory wrote: Thing is... Stephano was too precipitated when people were asking him about ZXP.. He kept saying "Prottos needs a buff, too ez to kill" and stuff like that. Being really honest here, It was really dumb of him to say such thing. It`s pretty obvious that the Prottoses of today know how to deal with 3 base zerg 12 min max-out.. When this strategy was about to get really popular it was just a matter of time to prottos to adapt with. Perhaps he can figure something out. SC2 is pure metagame, if prottos adapted to the strategy, now zergs need to adapt again. Well don`t bash me guys! It`s my opinion and I do think it was some logic inside.. I really think Stephano and others zergs will have a hard time to beat prottos day after day from now on, as the game gets more and more complex in terms of strategy and decision making And I recognize ladder doesn`t mean anything, but we also know it`s Stephano`s first choice to train massively. I`ll have my "answer" when he plays the next tournaments against good prottos lol? You taking all this from ladder? you do know Stephano got like 90% win ratio vs protoss in 2012. Wait and see the next tournament he gonna crush every protoss player he face. | ||
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ashortstory
Brazil160 Posts
He clearly crushes prottos from Europe, but I still haven`t seen him beatin good korean prottos, and that is not even a month old, like losing to MC, Hero and Inori (even though this one is cheesy and Stephano USED to crush him). Either way you`re being really blind, which in this case is a totally waste of time to discuss with. I don`t really see the point to deny the fact that EVERYONE adapts to something. Prottos is doing really well lately against zerg and I know Stephano is not capable of beating Prottos that easy like it was before. It`s so much harder now. | ||
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c78331
Greece64 Posts
On May 14 2012 14:37 ashortstory wrote: Thing is... Stephano was too precipitated when people were asking him about ZXP.. He kept saying "Prottos needs a buff, too ez to kill" and stuff like that. Being really honest here, It was really dumb of him to say such thing. It`s pretty obvious that the Prottoses of today know how to deal with 3 base zerg 12 min max-out.. When this strategy was about to get really popular it was just a matter of time to prottos to adapt with. Perhaps he can figure something out. SC2 is pure metagame, if prottos adapted to the strategy, now zergs need to adapt again. Well don`t bash me guys! It`s my opinion and I do think it was some logic inside.. I really think Stephano and others zergs will have a hard time to beat prottos day after day from now on, as the game gets more and more complex in terms of strategy and decision making And I recognize ladder doesn`t mean anything, but we also know it`s Stephano`s first choice to train massively. I`ll have my "answer" when he plays the next tournaments against good prottos He never said toss needs a buff because 11-12 minute max out is too strong.He believes(believed) that as a zerg all you have to do is survive timing pushes then build enough bl + infestors and roll them. | ||
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ashortstory
Brazil160 Posts
On May 14 2012 23:42 c78331 wrote: He never said toss needs a buff because 11-12 minute max out is too strong.He believes(believed) that as a zerg all you have to do is survive timing pushes then build enough bl + infestors and roll them. "Well as Stephano stated on SOTG, he thinks that PvZ is heavily Z favoured and Blizzard should buff protoss to even it out, so it might not be just we are all playing poorly." He did say, I know what I`m talking about and I wouldn`t be lying to prove my point. Not sure why you said that. Just because you never seen him saying such thing doesn`t mean he didn`t say it lol. | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On May 14 2012 23:48 ashortstory wrote: "Well as Stephano stated on SOTG, he thinks that PvZ is heavily Z favoured and Blizzard should buff protoss to even it out, so it might not be just we are all playing poorly." He did say, I know what I`m talking about and I wouldn`t be lying to prove my point. And he is proberly right considering all the top zergs DRG Nestea have started to use his 11/12min max roach build. And btw dude you clearly a troll when you say Stephano havent beaten top korean protoss players. He destroyed JYP who got the 2nd highest PvZ % stats in korea. He beat Hero at blizzard cup using this build. You just very ignorant and I got no idea wtf you doing in Stephano´s fan club | ||
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ashortstory
Brazil160 Posts
You just very ignorant and I got no idea wtf you doing in Stephano´s fan club Can you tell me why exactly am I being ignorant? Lol, it`s hilarious. People are so blind about certain things that I cant even say anything (which by the way, I`m being polite here). I can`t say "Stephano is not right about saying toss needs a buff because it`s only a matter of time to the race to adapt to his style, which means he won`t be able to crush toss like before.." and now I am being ignorant? Haha really interesting to see how this forum works. It looks like ignorant is the person with different point of view. Is that how you act in discussions? | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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c78331
Greece64 Posts
On May 14 2012 23:54 ashortstory wrote: That is not true aswell. DRG and Nestea constantly use muta after some roaches to kill prottos. I never seen Stephano doing that (transition from roach to muta), I think he makes mass lings with lots of spines and then goes mutas. I never seen it but I wouldnt say he never done it, so... Can you tell me why exactly am I being ignorant? Lol, it`s hilarious. People are so blind about certain things that I cant even say anything (which by the way, I`m being polite here). I can`t say "Stephano is not right about saying toss needs a buff because it`s only a matter of time to the race to adapt to his style, which means he won`t be able to crush toss like before.." and now I am being ignorant? Haha really interesting to see how this forum works. It looks like ignorant is the person with different point of view. Is that how you act in discussions? I told you that stephano thinks z>p because (in his mind) the only way a toss can win is by taking huge risks doing timing attacks, he doesn't believe a zerg should lose in lategame to toss.The 11-12 min max isn't the reason stephano made that statement. | ||
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sirachman
United States270 Posts
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iAmBiGbiRd
Australia1029 Posts
On May 14 2012 23:50 Benjamin99 wrote: And he is proberly right considering all the top zergs DRG Nestea have started to use his 11/12min max roach build. And btw dude you clearly a troll when you say Stephano havent beaten top korean protoss players. He destroyed JYP who got the 2nd highest PvZ % stats in korea. He beat Hero at blizzard cup using this build. You just very ignorant and I got no idea wtf you doing in Stephano´s fan club He is actually correct and you seem ignorant. Stephano has never beaten MC, lost recently to HerO, lost to Inori at MLG. He beat HerO in a BO1 months and months ago. As far as i know he has not played against Squirtle/PartinG/Creator etc just yet but despite it being i think a close series i give them the edge. He did not 'Destroy' JYP, he won 2-1. Don't bash me as i am a big Stephano fan but i hate it when people don't use their brain. Stephano has a losing % vs top Korean Protoss and this is a known fact. (Although most of those losses have been against MC who has the best PvZ in the world) | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Anyway Stephano will be at MLG Spring Arena 2 having won the EU Qualifier section by beating the likes of Bling and Socke. He will also be at Red Bull Battlegrounds soon. So Stephano may have a chance to play the likes of Parting, Oz, MC, Killer, Alicia, and Inori in a tournament later this month. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On May 14 2012 23:54 ashortstory wrote: That is not true aswell. DRG and Nestea constantly use muta after some roaches to kill prottos. I never seen Stephano doing that (transition from roach to muta), I think he makes mass lings with lots of spines and then goes mutas. I never seen it but I wouldnt say he never done it, so... Can you tell me why exactly am I being ignorant? Lol, it`s hilarious. People are so blind about certain things that I cant even say anything (which by the way, I`m being polite here). I can`t say "Stephano is not right about saying toss needs a buff because it`s only a matter of time to the race to adapt to his style, which means he won`t be able to crush toss like before.." and now I am being ignorant? Haha really interesting to see how this forum works. It looks like ignorant is the person with different point of view. Is that how you act in discussions? 1. Stephano has probably more insight and overall knowledge of the game than you. So you should be a little more respectful of his opinion towards the game. 2. He is widely recognize as one of the best zerg in the world and his ZvP style has a model for almost every pro zerg. Nowadays top P seem to be able to deal with it, which shows that the metagame has changed and the game has progressed. When he said that protoss seemed a little bit weak against zerg, the situation was different. Nevertheless he continues to have outstanding ZvP stats. 3. Don't talk about what is TL before you have at least 100, otherwise you are just pathetic. | ||
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ashortstory
Brazil160 Posts
On May 15 2012 04:03 Otolia wrote: 1. Stephano has probably more insight and overall knowledge of the game than you. So you should be a little more respectful of his opinion towards the game. 2. He is widely recognize as one of the best zerg in the world and his ZvP style has a model for almost every pro zerg. Nowadays top P seem to be able to deal with it, which shows that the metagame has changed and the game has progressed. When he said that protoss seemed a little bit weak against zerg, the situation was different. Nevertheless he continues to have outstanding ZvP stats. 3. Don't talk about what is TL before you have at least 100, otherwise you are just pathetic. What a joke, another brainless person. 1. So what? I keep my opinion: he can`t just say something needs a buff just because he crushes prottos. When was the last time he beat MC? Never. And yea, sure, MC is really good, best ZXP in the world, but Stephano is also really good. If there is an excepction then NOTHING stops some players to act like MC. You`re so arrogant to say that just because he`s better than me I can`t judge his actions? , I don`t really have the pacience to discuss with people like you. He`s the best ZXP in the foreign scene, that`s obvious, but I don`t really see him beating good korean prottos. Look at his replay pack in Korea in the beggining of 2012. He did not beat the korean prottos, actually he lost to bunch of them. He actually never had the opportunity to play them a while ago. I can only remember JYP (2-1) and Inori (1-2), even though he has a winning record against both of them. And then there`s MC (5-2 If im not mistaken), also Hero (2-1).. I would love to see him playing against Parting, Creator or some other good prottos, just to PROVE he cant say prottos needs a buff. He cant generalize a whole situtation. I stand still about the fact that Stephano is not going to have the same winning record against Prottos like a while ago, and Yes, I`m talking about the foreign scene. And stop being such a nerd about "respectuful of his opinion", are you serious? lol... that made me laugh, honestly.. 2. 1. 3. Oh, you think I`m new at this forum? Jesus christ.. I`m gonna use ur tone, "don`t use this argument otherwise you`re just pathetic". User was warned for this post | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On May 15 2012 04:13 ashortstory wrote: What a joke, another brainless person. 1. So what? I keep my opinion: he can`t just say something needs a buff just because he crushes prottos. When was the last time he beat MC? Never. And yea, sure, MC is really good, best ZXP in the world, but Stephano is also really good. If there is an excepction then NOTHING stops some players to act like MC. You`re so arrogant to say that just because he`s better than me I can`t judge his actions? , I don`t really have the pacience to discuss with people like you. He`s the best ZXP in the foreign scene, that`s obvious, but I don`t really see him beating good korean prottos. Look at his replay pack in Korea in the beggining of 2012. He did not beat the korean prottos, actually he lost to bunch of them. He actually never had the opportunity to play them a while ago. I can only remember JYP (2-1) and Inori (1-2), even though he has a winning record against both of them. And then there`s MC (5-2 If im not mistaken), also Hero (2-1).. I would love to see him playing against Parting, Creator or some other good prottos, just to PROVE he cant say prottos needs a buff. He cant generalize a whole situtation. I stand still about the fact that Stephano is not going to have the same winning record against Prottos like a while ago, and Yes, I`m talking about the foreign scene. And stop being such a nerd about "respectuful of his opinion", are you serious? lol... that made me laugh, honestly.. 2. 1. 3. Oh, you think I`m new at this forum? Jesus christ.. I`m gonna use ur tone, "don`t use this argument otherwise you`re just pathetic". The MC showmatch was 5-3. And I think MC used up some strategies that rely on surprise to win some of those games. I think it is difficult to repeat such tactics successfully. He won one match due to a hidden pylon in a specific place. Something easily denied in future games on that map. Also he won a game due to Stephano failing to kill MC's Nexus after breaking the wall with a baneling bust. Stephano had the Nexus in the Main at his mercy but inexplicably failed to kill it off allowing MC to get back into the game and take the win. Stephano also lost a game where he made 4 hatches at once and made 20 mutas at a time. So this was a very unorthodox play by Stephano and something I doubt he will repeat. Stephano lost the showmatch, but the games showed that Stephano has gotten a lot harder for MC to beat than in their previous meetings. You do realise Stephano won the last 2 European Tournaments he entered, plus he also won the MLG Euro qualifiers. This was only in the past couple of weeks, I think it is a bit premature to claim his domination of the foreign scene is now over! | ||
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ashortstory
Brazil160 Posts
About the MC games, yea, last time they played before that it was HSC I think, and it was one side only.. he clearly played better now, since he did get better, but in any case I would say that he has a good shot of losing to certain korean prottos because they use the power of surprise and are not as "one-trick-pony" as the foreign prottos, they know how to deal better with Stephano`s style and foreign players seem to realize that just now.. | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On May 15 2012 04:39 ashortstory wrote: I agree with you, all I`m saying is that Stephano is not going to have that easy path to kill prottos anymore. It`s going to get harder, but he still will be the best zxp in the foreign scene. Im saying that it was a little bit premature to say that prottos needed a buff, since it`s clearly obvious in SC2 the metagame changes month to month. About the MC games, yea, last time they played before that it was HSC I think, and it was one side only.. he clearly played better now, since he did get better, but in any case I would say that he has a good shot of losing to certain korean prottos because they use the power of surprise and are not as "one-trick-pony" as the foreign prottos, they know how to deal better with Stephano`s style and foreign players seem to realize that now I have not even seen Stephano play at all since the recent patch, which seems to have given Zerg some small buffs to Queens and Overlords, as well as to Protoss Observers. I think we all have to see what effect that will have on the ZvP matchup. Although you may have a point about how Korean Protoss can use surprise tactics to pull of a win, I think that the more Korean Protoss that Stephano plays, the better he should become at learning about these tactics which are often geared to a specific map. As I said a few posts up, Stephano will be at 2 Tournaments soon which will have some great Protoss players competing and if you add in the fact that he will be going back to Korea to train for a bit, then we will be able to see him play against various Korean players pretty soon. Instead of arguing here about how he will do against Koreans from now on, Protoss or otherwise, let's just wait a week or so and we can watch for ourselves. It seems pointless to speculate when we have these games coming up very shortly. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On May 15 2012 04:39 ashortstory wrote: I agree with you, all I`m saying is that Stephano is not going to have that easy path to kill prottos anymore. It`s going to get harder, but he still will be the best zxp in the foreign scene. Im saying that it was a little bit premature to say that prottos needed a buff, since it`s clearly obvious in SC2 the metagame changes month to month. About the MC games, yea, last time they played before that it was HSC I think, and it was one side only.. he clearly played better now, since he did get better, but in any case I would say that he has a good shot of losing to certain korean prottos because they use the power of surprise and are not as "one-trick-pony" as the foreign prottos, they know how to deal better with Stephano`s style and foreign players seem to realize that just now.. He said that Protoss needs a buff in march. So "since it`s clearly obvious in SC2 the metagame changes month to month" why are you bringing that up now (2 month afterwards) in a thread not devoted to that (there is several strategy threads on the matter) ? He might be cocky and he might be wrong but you are just trying to impose your views when it's totally pointless to do so. Find another battle. Edit : After reading your response, I urge you to stop looking for quarrels in a fanclub. It never ends well. | ||
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