I can't believe Stephano won those games where he went double spire muta ling vs blink stalkers. Double spire late game for BL is one thing, but for early muta upgrades, pretty ballsy.
Will be interesting to see how training with Stephano prepares Bling for his showmatch today with DeMuslim. Hopefully his confidence remains in tact :D Playing all day with Stephano will either make Bling feel like all other opponents are easy, or that he can't win a game to save his life.
Respect to Bling for playing though, I wish the student of Stephano well in his showmatch :D
On January 25 2012 12:36 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On January 22 2012 04:55 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On January 16 2012 10:00 SaoPaulo wrote: People here are just too dumb to "get it".
It`s not about getting more money. OF COURSE being a doctor would give more money than being a pro-player (in general), but what if the person likes the excitement to play tournaments? the feeling of pure adrenaline, the fear of losing to someone due to competition, the fame, the winning parte, the odds to win by doing something very diffrent?
Im sure white-ra is a pro-gamer not because of money, but he simply LIKES it and enjoys his whole life.
Let me tell u a story between Grubby and Creo.
For those who dont know Warcraft 3, Grubby used to be the best player of the western world (which means the same can be applied to Stephano nowadays), and once, during his prime of the game, he said he would quit. He didnt, because he loved the game.
Creo, a misterious guy who were in the same team as Grubby, was also getting a lot of fame and playing really good. He managed to win WCG (beating the best players in the world, like Moon and Grubby) and simply stopped playing, at the age of 20 or something. He said he would only win a major tournament (like WCG, probably the biggest one in WC3) and stop playing. He did that. But at what cost? Now he`s a computer scientist, working for some company in Norway. Sure, I bet he likes his job a lot, but I DOUBT he is happier than winning a WCG or playing WC3L finals against Lucifer, Moon, Susiria and getting paid by 4K. Now imagine how much more money Creo would get after the WCG, but the guy simpled stopped playing just because he wouldn`t like to delay his "real career"..
I still think Stephano is doing a stupid decision. He is in the prime of his life, and myself, being at the same age as him, envy a lot the fact he`s a pro-gamer and he`s doing something he likes. And yea, I do go to college, but I honestly prefer the adrenaline of playing then studying Calculus so later my boss can kick my ass.
Sorry guys, its simple not a good decision at all. I would agree if he went to college when he`s like 22, 24 years old, but 19, 20? Come on, the kid has a lot of talent, he`ll be able to make a lot of money. And not to mention the pure adrenaline of playing, which is, at least for me, something that we need to consider (it seems that you are thinking "one side" only).
Maybe i am getting of my chest by telling u guys this, sry about my horrible english, but anyway, people saying Stephano is being smart is actually the opposite. Maybe I just dont like the mundane people.
I just compare Grubby to Creo, and I probably see that Grubby made a wiser choice than Creo... Even though I agree with TotalBiscuit that is better for someone to do college and then invest in his own hobbies and stuff like that, but clearly that worked out perfectly for TB, but I do not think it would be a good idea for Stephano, at least in the point where he is now (as a beast), or Grubby..
The smart decision is to do what you enjoy more, and you're in no position to determine what that would be for another person so stop pretending you are lol.
Yeah, I think Stephano could make a lot more money and probably have a lot more fun being a pro for longer, but none of us are him nor have the right to demand anything of him. He is one of the best players in the Western world on 3 hours of practice a day. If he committed, there is no doubt whatsoever he would be the best player in the world by far. But, sadly, he wishes to become a doctor and thus become a doctor he shall.
Seriously, come on. I mean I know this is a fanclub but seriously.
Anyway Stephano is immensely talented so I do hope he continues to play, but if he does decide to pursue his studies, I wish him luck in that as well.
He is one of the best Western players in the world on 3 hours. Practicing, for example, 4 hours is more than just the practice you would gain from 2 hours plus 2 hours, so if he were to commit to practicing, say, 10-16 hours, his skill would increase exponentially. The amount of skill he would be wielding then would be more than enough to smash all but the very best into the ground and even then it would be a tough fight. Oh, by the way, I'm not a major fan. I just know that if Stephano was about 5-10 times better or so (if the skill cap is even that high), no one would be able to beat him.
On January 25 2012 12:36 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On January 22 2012 04:55 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On January 16 2012 10:00 SaoPaulo wrote: People here are just too dumb to "get it".
It`s not about getting more money. OF COURSE being a doctor would give more money than being a pro-player (in general), but what if the person likes the excitement to play tournaments? the feeling of pure adrenaline, the fear of losing to someone due to competition, the fame, the winning parte, the odds to win by doing something very diffrent?
Im sure white-ra is a pro-gamer not because of money, but he simply LIKES it and enjoys his whole life.
Let me tell u a story between Grubby and Creo.
For those who dont know Warcraft 3, Grubby used to be the best player of the western world (which means the same can be applied to Stephano nowadays), and once, during his prime of the game, he said he would quit. He didnt, because he loved the game.
Creo, a misterious guy who were in the same team as Grubby, was also getting a lot of fame and playing really good. He managed to win WCG (beating the best players in the world, like Moon and Grubby) and simply stopped playing, at the age of 20 or something. He said he would only win a major tournament (like WCG, probably the biggest one in WC3) and stop playing. He did that. But at what cost? Now he`s a computer scientist, working for some company in Norway. Sure, I bet he likes his job a lot, but I DOUBT he is happier than winning a WCG or playing WC3L finals against Lucifer, Moon, Susiria and getting paid by 4K. Now imagine how much more money Creo would get after the WCG, but the guy simpled stopped playing just because he wouldn`t like to delay his "real career"..
I still think Stephano is doing a stupid decision. He is in the prime of his life, and myself, being at the same age as him, envy a lot the fact he`s a pro-gamer and he`s doing something he likes. And yea, I do go to college, but I honestly prefer the adrenaline of playing then studying Calculus so later my boss can kick my ass.
Sorry guys, its simple not a good decision at all. I would agree if he went to college when he`s like 22, 24 years old, but 19, 20? Come on, the kid has a lot of talent, he`ll be able to make a lot of money. And not to mention the pure adrenaline of playing, which is, at least for me, something that we need to consider (it seems that you are thinking "one side" only).
Maybe i am getting of my chest by telling u guys this, sry about my horrible english, but anyway, people saying Stephano is being smart is actually the opposite. Maybe I just dont like the mundane people.
I just compare Grubby to Creo, and I probably see that Grubby made a wiser choice than Creo... Even though I agree with TotalBiscuit that is better for someone to do college and then invest in his own hobbies and stuff like that, but clearly that worked out perfectly for TB, but I do not think it would be a good idea for Stephano, at least in the point where he is now (as a beast), or Grubby..
The smart decision is to do what you enjoy more, and you're in no position to determine what that would be for another person so stop pretending you are lol.
Yeah, I think Stephano could make a lot more money and probably have a lot more fun being a pro for longer, but none of us are him nor have the right to demand anything of him. He is one of the best players in the Western world on 3 hours of practice a day. If he committed, there is no doubt whatsoever he would be the best player in the world by far. But, sadly, he wishes to become a doctor and thus become a doctor he shall.
Seriously, come on. I mean I know this is a fanclub but seriously.
Anyway Stephano is immensely talented so I do hope he continues to play, but if he does decide to pursue his studies, I wish him luck in that as well.
He is one of the best Western players in the world on 3 hours. Practicing, for example, 4 hours is more than just the practice you would gain from 2 hours plus 2 hours, so if he were to commit to practicing, say, 10-16 hours, his skill would increase exponentially. The amount of skill he would be wielding then would be more than enough to smash all but the very best into the ground and even then it would be a tough fight. Oh, by the way, I'm not a major fan. I just know that if Stephano was about 5-10 times better or so (if the skill cap is even that high), no one would be able to beat him.
Even if he DOES just practice 3 hours a day still, which I'm not sure of, pretty sure he wasn't at least when he was in Korea, doesn't necessarily mean he would be 10 times better if he practiced more. Anyway this is a fanclub so I won't post about this anymore but PM if u want to respond with any more absurdities.
On January 25 2012 12:36 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On January 22 2012 04:55 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On January 16 2012 10:00 SaoPaulo wrote: People here are just too dumb to "get it".
It`s not about getting more money. OF COURSE being a doctor would give more money than being a pro-player (in general), but what if the person likes the excitement to play tournaments? the feeling of pure adrenaline, the fear of losing to someone due to competition, the fame, the winning parte, the odds to win by doing something very diffrent?
Im sure white-ra is a pro-gamer not because of money, but he simply LIKES it and enjoys his whole life.
Let me tell u a story between Grubby and Creo.
For those who dont know Warcraft 3, Grubby used to be the best player of the western world (which means the same can be applied to Stephano nowadays), and once, during his prime of the game, he said he would quit. He didnt, because he loved the game.
Creo, a misterious guy who were in the same team as Grubby, was also getting a lot of fame and playing really good. He managed to win WCG (beating the best players in the world, like Moon and Grubby) and simply stopped playing, at the age of 20 or something. He said he would only win a major tournament (like WCG, probably the biggest one in WC3) and stop playing. He did that. But at what cost? Now he`s a computer scientist, working for some company in Norway. Sure, I bet he likes his job a lot, but I DOUBT he is happier than winning a WCG or playing WC3L finals against Lucifer, Moon, Susiria and getting paid by 4K. Now imagine how much more money Creo would get after the WCG, but the guy simpled stopped playing just because he wouldn`t like to delay his "real career"..
I still think Stephano is doing a stupid decision. He is in the prime of his life, and myself, being at the same age as him, envy a lot the fact he`s a pro-gamer and he`s doing something he likes. And yea, I do go to college, but I honestly prefer the adrenaline of playing then studying Calculus so later my boss can kick my ass.
Sorry guys, its simple not a good decision at all. I would agree if he went to college when he`s like 22, 24 years old, but 19, 20? Come on, the kid has a lot of talent, he`ll be able to make a lot of money. And not to mention the pure adrenaline of playing, which is, at least for me, something that we need to consider (it seems that you are thinking "one side" only).
Maybe i am getting of my chest by telling u guys this, sry about my horrible english, but anyway, people saying Stephano is being smart is actually the opposite. Maybe I just dont like the mundane people.
I just compare Grubby to Creo, and I probably see that Grubby made a wiser choice than Creo... Even though I agree with TotalBiscuit that is better for someone to do college and then invest in his own hobbies and stuff like that, but clearly that worked out perfectly for TB, but I do not think it would be a good idea for Stephano, at least in the point where he is now (as a beast), or Grubby..
The smart decision is to do what you enjoy more, and you're in no position to determine what that would be for another person so stop pretending you are lol.
Yeah, I think Stephano could make a lot more money and probably have a lot more fun being a pro for longer, but none of us are him nor have the right to demand anything of him. He is one of the best players in the Western world on 3 hours of practice a day. If he committed, there is no doubt whatsoever he would be the best player in the world by far. But, sadly, he wishes to become a doctor and thus become a doctor he shall.
Seriously, come on. I mean I know this is a fanclub but seriously.
Anyway Stephano is immensely talented so I do hope he continues to play, but if he does decide to pursue his studies, I wish him luck in that as well.
He is one of the best Western players in the world on 3 hours.
He is at the Millenium gaming house atm, playing dozen of games a day, streams, custom games, tournaments, and living in a SC2 oriented environment. It is safe to say he spends most of his time thinking SC2, so this 3 hours a day was maybe true 6 months ago, it is definitely not true any more, especially since he went pro. He can't train more than he can now w/o being sick of the game.
That said, he is most probably the best foreigner, with no weak matchup, one of the world's best ZvP and is the only foreigner who (to me) looks like he plays like a korean (timing, hability to steamroll even the toughest opponents, coming back from almost lost situations, etc). So yeah, he may not be the best player in the world, he may not even be top5 (though it's arguable ), but he is for sure up there in the top20 or smg.
On January 26 2012 07:13 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On January 25 2012 12:42 Olinimm wrote:
On January 25 2012 12:36 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On January 22 2012 04:55 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On January 16 2012 10:00 SaoPaulo wrote: People here are just too dumb to "get it".
It`s not about getting more money. OF COURSE being a doctor would give more money than being a pro-player (in general), but what if the person likes the excitement to play tournaments? the feeling of pure adrenaline, the fear of losing to someone due to competition, the fame, the winning parte, the odds to win by doing something very diffrent?
Im sure white-ra is a pro-gamer not because of money, but he simply LIKES it and enjoys his whole life.
Let me tell u a story between Grubby and Creo.
For those who dont know Warcraft 3, Grubby used to be the best player of the western world (which means the same can be applied to Stephano nowadays), and once, during his prime of the game, he said he would quit. He didnt, because he loved the game.
Creo, a misterious guy who were in the same team as Grubby, was also getting a lot of fame and playing really good. He managed to win WCG (beating the best players in the world, like Moon and Grubby) and simply stopped playing, at the age of 20 or something. He said he would only win a major tournament (like WCG, probably the biggest one in WC3) and stop playing. He did that. But at what cost? Now he`s a computer scientist, working for some company in Norway. Sure, I bet he likes his job a lot, but I DOUBT he is happier than winning a WCG or playing WC3L finals against Lucifer, Moon, Susiria and getting paid by 4K. Now imagine how much more money Creo would get after the WCG, but the guy simpled stopped playing just because he wouldn`t like to delay his "real career"..
I still think Stephano is doing a stupid decision. He is in the prime of his life, and myself, being at the same age as him, envy a lot the fact he`s a pro-gamer and he`s doing something he likes. And yea, I do go to college, but I honestly prefer the adrenaline of playing then studying Calculus so later my boss can kick my ass.
Sorry guys, its simple not a good decision at all. I would agree if he went to college when he`s like 22, 24 years old, but 19, 20? Come on, the kid has a lot of talent, he`ll be able to make a lot of money. And not to mention the pure adrenaline of playing, which is, at least for me, something that we need to consider (it seems that you are thinking "one side" only).
Maybe i am getting of my chest by telling u guys this, sry about my horrible english, but anyway, people saying Stephano is being smart is actually the opposite. Maybe I just dont like the mundane people.
I just compare Grubby to Creo, and I probably see that Grubby made a wiser choice than Creo... Even though I agree with TotalBiscuit that is better for someone to do college and then invest in his own hobbies and stuff like that, but clearly that worked out perfectly for TB, but I do not think it would be a good idea for Stephano, at least in the point where he is now (as a beast), or Grubby..
The smart decision is to do what you enjoy more, and you're in no position to determine what that would be for another person so stop pretending you are lol.
Yeah, I think Stephano could make a lot more money and probably have a lot more fun being a pro for longer, but none of us are him nor have the right to demand anything of him. He is one of the best players in the Western world on 3 hours of practice a day. If he committed, there is no doubt whatsoever he would be the best player in the world by far. But, sadly, he wishes to become a doctor and thus become a doctor he shall.
Seriously, come on. I mean I know this is a fanclub but seriously.
Anyway Stephano is immensely talented so I do hope he continues to play, but if he does decide to pursue his studies, I wish him luck in that as well.
He is one of the best Western players in the world on 3 hours.
He is at the Millenium gaming house atm, playing dozen of games a day, streams, custom games, tournaments, and living in a SC2 oriented environment. It is safe to say he spends most of his time thinking SC2, so this 3 hours a day was maybe true 6 months ago, it is definitely not true any more, especially since he went pro. He can't train more than he can now w/o being sick of the game.
That said, he is most probably the best foreigner, with no weak matchup, one of the world's best ZvP and is the only foreigner who (to me) looks like he plays like a korean (timing, hability to steamroll even the toughest opponents, coming back from almost lost situations, etc). So yeah, he may not be the best player in the world, he may not even be top5 (though it's arguable ), but he is for sure up there in the top20 or smg.
He is hands down the best foreigner, and a step above anyone not still alive in code S.
As for Korea, despite my love for Stephano, I would rate him right below MC/MKP level, as he didn't quite get over the hump against those guys.... although I still expect him to beat those guys when he faces them next! I think its safe to say he has the talent to do it, but needs to gain a mental edge on those guys the way he has with all the foreigners.
The practice discussion is all BS. I'll let Allen Iverson summarize my thinking on it -
He's a pro player, he's committed to being the best and I have complete confidence he's doing whats best for him to be the best - because its working.
On the whole practice issue, I think it's possible that Stephano practices somewhere in the range of 3-4 hours a day.
If you have an unusual ability to focus you can get more out of your time than most people, which I'm guessing is likely the case with Stephano. Look at, for instance, his ability to respond to drops (which is vastly superior to every other foreign zerg); he and Leenock are the best zergs in world at doing so IMO. (Since Leenock is in high school he likely also practices no more than 4 to 6 hours a day at most during the school year.) It seems like, no matter what's going on, he almost always instantly responds to drops. I think this comes from his ability to multitask well (which I would guess that correlates fairly well with how good your working memory is) but also it's just a matter of an unusual focus on the task at hand.
In other fields, 3 or 4 hours of practice is completely reasonable. In music for example, the best pianists in the world often seriously practice no more than 4 hours a day. Much more than that and, at least for music, there seems to be rapidly diminishing returns. I'm not saying the same holds true for Starcraft but music like Starcraft is complicated and generally very difficult to do extremely well. If so, then pro players might not be accomplishing as much as they think they are by practicing 12 hours a day. On the other hand, because video games unlike music are, for most people, much more "interesting" -- pracitcing an instrument requires tons of repitition; every game in Starcraft even if broadly the same has loads of variety; thus it may be less of a chore to practice starcraft (for most people of course, not all); thus it's possible that some can focus while practicing Starcraft II for a much longer period than most top musicians can when practicing an instrument.
In any event, as a big time fanboy, I've suspected for a long time that Stephano is some sort of genius at Starcraft, and this allows him to get away with practicing so little. Putting aside all his tournament success, although his accomplishments on the ladder are dismissed by his detractors, his 64-1 run on the EU ladder and his +70% win rate in Korea are both staggering achievements. A 64-1 run speaks for itself. With respect to his KR ladder accomplishments, for a foreigner to go to Korea and have the second highest win percentage of any zerg on the KR ladder immediately is inconceivable, especially when Stephano's practice partners are effectively just EU masters level and GM players on the ladder. (I would liken his success on ladder to someone graduating from highschool and then starting as an all star in the NBA as a rookie.) Every other foreigner has taken quite a while to adjust -- including those with previous Korean experience, and their results have not been close to Stephano's even after they get used to the play.
In any event, unless Stephano has a bunch of smurf accounts (which I don't think he does -- his style is readily identifiable -- I feel like the community would know if he was smurfing) you can see how many games he's playing on a daily basis and the number of games he plays is in line with practicing 3 to 4 hours a day. When he plays more than that it's often because he's playing several tournaments in the same day.
In sum, I tend to believe that on average he practices 3 to 4 hours a day because he has an unusual ability to concentrate (even for a pro gamer) and is a genius
On January 26 2012 10:10 The_Darkness wrote: On the whole practice issue, I think it's possible that Stephano practices somewhere in the range of 3-4 hours a day.
If you have an unusual ability to focus you can get more out of your time than most people, which I'm guessing is likely the case with Stephano. Look at, for instance, his ability to respond to drops (which is vastly superior to every other foreign zerg); he and Leenock are the best zergs in world at doing so IMO. (Since Leenock is in high school he likely also practices no more than 4 to 6 hours a day at most during the school year.) It seems like, no matter what's going on, he almost always instantly responds to drops. I think this comes from his ability to multitask well (which I would guess that correlates fairly well with how good your working memory is) but also it's just a matter of an unusual focus on the task at hand.
In other fields, 3 or 4 hours of practice is completely reasonable. In music for example, the best pianists in the world often seriously practice no more than 4 hours a day. Much more than that and, at least for music, there seems to be rapidly diminishing returns. I'm not saying the same holds true for Starcraft but music like Starcraft is complicated and generally very difficult to do extremely well. If so, then pro players might not be accomplishing as much as they think they are by practicing 12 hours a day. On the other hand, because video games unlike music are, for most people, much more "interesting" -- pracitcing an instrument requires tons of repitition; every game in Starcraft even if broadly the same has loads of variety; thus it may be less of a chore to practice starcraft (for most people of course, not all); thus it's possible that some can focus while practicing Starcraft II for a much longer period than most top musicians can when practicing an instrument.
In any event, as a big time fanboy, I've suspected for a long time that Stephano is some sort of genius at Starcraft, and this allows him to get away with practicing so little. Putting aside all his tournament success, although his accomplishments on the ladder are dismissed by his detractors, his 64-1 run on the EU ladder and his +70% win rate in Korea are both staggering achievements. A 64-1 run speaks for itself. With respect to his KR ladder accomplishments, for a foreigner to go to Korea and have the second highest win percentage of any zerg on the KR ladder immediately is inconceivable, especially when Stephano's practice partners are effectively just EU masters level and GM players on the ladder. (I would liken his success on ladder to someone graduating from highschool and then starting as an all star in the NBA as a rookie.) Every other foreigner has taken quite a while to adjust -- including those with previous Korean experience, and their results have not been close to Stephano's even after they get used to the play.
In any event, unless Stephano has a bunch of smurf accounts (which I don't think he does -- his style is readily identifiable -- I feel like the community would know if he was smurfing) you can see how many games he's playing on a daily basis and the number of games he plays is in line with practicing 3 to 4 hours a day. When he plays more than that it's often because he's playing several tournaments in the same day.
In sum, I tend to believe that on average he practices 3 to 4 hours a day because he has an unusual ability to concentrate (even for a pro gamer) and is a genius