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On November 22 2011 05:26 ladyumbra wrote:
Naniwa's dreamhack winter group
Group I
compLexity NaNiwa
Empire Happy
Empire Beastyqt
Gameburg Ciara
Slightly concerned for him, PvT is his best matchup but Naniwa has been in korea quite some time and isn't used to EU style terran anymore so the two empire terrans could be dangerous for him. Ciara will probbaly die to his early expand into strong two base push opening since Nani has a few days to tweak it into being safer vs early agression. Here's to hoping he gets out of the group ad goes on to win the whole thing ^-^
No offense to Happy or Beastyqt, but Naniwa should be able to sweep them relatively easily. He has been practicing a ton (he DID win MVP) and the practice he has got and will get before the tournament should be enough to get him the easy 1st spot in his group.
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I hope his one sided loss vs Leenock and the boos from the fans doesn't affect his mentality negatively going into Dreamhack
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On November 22 2011 02:49 Jonas  wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 02:41 striderxxx wrote:On November 22 2011 02:13 Samahoj wrote:On November 22 2011 01:55 Heimatloser wrote:On November 21 2011 22:57 purpose wrote:
Naniwa won MLG undefeated from open bracket. Sure no koreans that time but he sure has proven that he could go far even if he went open bracket.
DId he really go 3-2, he only lost to lennock in the finals so was it not 3-1? Also to beat huk, DRG and nestea. And dont forget he won vs Nestea and MVP in the MLG GI.
The MLG system sucks but Naniwa does not have to apologize for that 2nd place. He deserved that! since he came undefeated from the winners bracket into the finals, his first loss against leenock knocked him down to losers bracket where he automatically came back into the finals again to get a second chance where he lost again. the 4:1 overall record was (i believe) a 2:1 and a 2:0 on the second try. fun fact: naniwa could have won mlg with a losing-record against leenock by losing the first match in 2:0 fashion and then winning the second set 1:2 for an overall record of 3:2. but he didnt. no, he would have to win with 4-3, when he lost 1-2 it became an extended series. I don't get why Nani and Leenock had to play an extended series? They never met until the grand finals, so why wasn't it just a simple BO3? If Naniwa won the inital best of 3 it would have been the end of the tournament. But since he lost the initial best of 3 the series was extended because Naniwa came from the winner's bracket
Yeah, seems somewhat unfair if it was a simple bo3. It would allow for a case that has Leenock winning over Nani but both only dropped one series (Leenock to DRG in the champ brackets) and Nani to Leenock in the finals. But if Nani wins the bo3, Leenock drops 2 bo3 (DRG and Nani). The 2 bo3 system requires Nani to drop 2 bo3s to be kicked out of the tournament, like everyone else.
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On November 22 2011 07:37 careohx wrote:
best protoss in the world , pretty sure he would have won mlg if the games went past 10 minutes
So best protoss in the world can't survive past 10 minutes? That's not very good, is it?
Naniwa played well and deserved to be in the finals but Leenock played better and deserved to win.
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On November 22 2011 06:15 Heff87 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 06:06 cudder7 wrote:
His personality needs work, but I'm just looking at his game play and knowledge not his personality. Didn't know SC2 was a personality contest, frankly the fact that he doesn't act like an emotionless statue like a lot of other SC2 pro's makes me really like watching him. Same thing with players like Idra, Huk, MC, etc. In the end they're competitors but we watch them for entertainment.
Tbh his personality is what I like most about him. The fact that he's so incredibly hard working and just wont accept anything but first place even if it's a 30k second place at mlg is incredibly amazing to me. The guy is actually pissed when he ends up second place at a sick tournament. He's been through some rough times in his life, but he really has found an incredibly attitude in the last year.
Besides, it's not like he has been especially bm over the last 10 months. Ever since he teamed up with dignitas there has been like no controversies, and what happend this weekend was a combination of misunderstandings, mob mentality and a harmless ceremony.
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On November 22 2011 07:45 Fijnkonijn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 07:37 careohx wrote:
best protoss in the world , pretty sure he would have won mlg if the games went past 10 minutes So best protoss in the world can't survive past 10 minutes? That's not very good, is it? Naniwa played well and deserved to be in the finals but Leenock played better and deserved to win.
yeah naniwa lost in the mental game
edit: noone said leenock didnt deserve the win he did the right thing by cheesing its totally naniwa's fault
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On November 22 2011 07:45 Fijnkonijn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 07:37 careohx wrote:
best protoss in the world , pretty sure he would have won mlg if the games went past 10 minutes So best protoss in the world can't survive past 10 minutes? That's not very good, is it? Naniwa played well and deserved to be in the finals but Leenock played better and deserved to win.
So you're saying Protoss sucks? That can't be right!
Wait a minute..
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On November 22 2011 03:36 Waterflow wrote:
Naniwa you were the best at MLG Providence! Even though Leenock won imo you were better. After first game Leenock figured out he just could not win in any other way than cheese.
I love you nani! The people hating on you are just not as smart as you, me and the rest of the your fans. The people hating on you have low iq and therefore they jump at you like hyena clowns.
Good on you for supporting Naniwa - he certainly deserves it. He showed some fantastic play this weekend. I don't think Leenock deserves the hate though. He simply reacted in a favourable way to Naniwa's build. He knew that if he let the game unfold the way Naniwa wanted it to, he would struggle because of the excellent timing window Naniwa had for his 2 base attacks. So, to prevent that he pretty much build order countered Naniwa with an early Roach timing. It doesn't mean that Leenock couldn't win if he didn't cheese. He's one of the best zerg players in the world, just as Naniwa is one of the best Protoss'. He just increased his chances of winning by countering Nani's build directly when it was weakest, rather than later on when Naniwa's build was stronger. Was actually a very intelligent play, though it lead to incredibly painful games to watch.
Your post is about respect, and you are right, but respect should be given to both players here. Don't diminish either players' accomplishments here - they both played an excellent tournament, and showed some excellent games. Personally, I felt the finals were the weakest showing of either players' abilities.
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On November 22 2011 07:40 Vapaach wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 05:26 ladyumbra wrote:
Naniwa's dreamhack winter group
Group I
compLexity NaNiwa
Empire Happy
Empire Beastyqt
Gameburg Ciara
Slightly concerned for him, PvT is his best matchup but Naniwa has been in korea quite some time and isn't used to EU style terran anymore so the two empire terrans could be dangerous for him. Ciara will probbaly die to his early expand into strong two base push opening since Nani has a few days to tweak it into being safer vs early agression. Here's to hoping he gets out of the group ad goes on to win the whole thing ^-^
No offense to Happy or Beastyqt, but Naniwa should be able to sweep them relatively easily. He has been practicing a ton (he DID win MVP) and the practice he has got and will get before the tournament should be enough to get him the easy 1st spot in his group.
I'd expect him to win but if anything can screw a player up it's being unaware of the current state of the metagame in a specific matchup. EXP: BFH expand and fast drop timings in TvT and TvZ, They were super common on the korean server ( Hell QXC beat MVP with them in the gstl,) and most players there were learning to deal with them ( struggling but learning) before they showed up en masse at mlg anaheim and anyone without experience dealing with them got destroyed no matter how solid a player they normally were. Nani should be the favourite in his group but if the european terrans have been innovating and he's not aware of what they're up to there's a chance of him just getting blindsided as his builds are all meant to play to the korean metagame. I wouldn't be in his fanclub if I didn't like him which is why I worry a bit. ^-^
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Is it just me or did this fanclub get something like 30 more pages this past 3 days?
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On November 22 2011 08:36 pPingu wrote:
Is it just me or did this fanclub get something like 30 more pages this past 3 days?
35 pages to be exact. Pretty impressive. ^^
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Naniwa deserves 35+ more pages =) but i thik one more pro player does and that is Haypro! Naniwa, Leenock and Haypro made MLG providence so good with their play/run.
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So I though i'd share my opinions on the recent issues that occured at MLG Providence, obviously you guys are all Naniwa fans so you probably understand anyways, but dont know where else to post this.
#1, Naniwas comment is getting very missquoted, he was actually reffering to Nestea pulling his drones. Naniwa had misinterpreted the move from Nestea and thought it was quite genius, but when he realised what Nestea actually did he thought it was quite stupid of Nestea
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#2 Also people seem to forget Naniwas first language is not english and therefore he has a limited vocabulary, this happens europeans alot that they have a very limited vocabulary and very other express themselves poorly sometimes (eg. Jinro situation at the GSL).
#3 I think we all can agree that bashing MLG was pretty stupid, but if we all imagine we were in his situation, then we might would've acted the same. Obviously it was on of the "heat of the moment"-things, where he cleary flipped out without thinking before he said it. This has probably happened to all of us in life, where you've might've been so pressured u didnt think throught what you said next.
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I seriously don't understand how anyone could not like Naniwa after this MLG. The fact that there is controversy is absolutely ridiculous, Naniwa is one of the few foreign hopes and he performed brilliantly!
Keep owning Nani~!
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On November 22 2011 02:41 striderxxx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 02:13 Samahoj wrote:On November 22 2011 01:55 Heimatloser wrote:On November 21 2011 22:57 purpose wrote:
Naniwa won MLG undefeated from open bracket. Sure no koreans that time but he sure has proven that he could go far even if he went open bracket.
DId he really go 3-2, he only lost to lennock in the finals so was it not 3-1? Also to beat huk, DRG and nestea. And dont forget he won vs Nestea and MVP in the MLG GI.
The MLG system sucks but Naniwa does not have to apologize for that 2nd place. He deserved that! since he came undefeated from the winners bracket into the finals, his first loss against leenock knocked him down to losers bracket where he automatically came back into the finals again to get a second chance where he lost again. the 4:1 overall record was (i believe) a 2:1 and a 2:0 on the second try. fun fact: naniwa could have won mlg with a losing-record against leenock by losing the first match in 2:0 fashion and then winning the second set 1:2 for an overall record of 3:2. but he didnt. no, he would have to win with 4-3, when he lost 1-2 it became an extended series. I don't get why Nani and Leenock had to play an extended series? They never met until the grand finals, so why wasn't it just a simple BO3?
A normal double eliminiation bracket (without extended series) works like this:
Everyone is allowed to lose once. If you lose twice you're out.
That means one person in the grand final, the one coming from the winner bracket, hasnt lost yet; and one person (from the loserbracket) already lost once in the tournament.
So a BO3 is played. If the one from the loserbracket loses again - he lost twice and is eliminated. If the one from the winner bracket loses - this is his first loss in the tournament. Since it's double elim he has another "life". So they play again and the loser of that match has lost twice and is eliminated.
It would be unfair towards the one from the winner bracket if the tournament is decided by one BO3. His opponent lost a BO3 once, and has a 2nd chance, but he himself hasnt lost a bo3 yet (is undefeated). So if that BO3 would be deciding he would be out with his 1st loss, while his opponent, who also had only one loss, would win.
MLG is basically a double elim system with extended series, when players met once. So Naniwa & Leenock meet in the final for the first time - a normal BO3 like in every other double elim bracket. If Leenock loses this match: he lost 2 times and is out.
If Naniwa loses he has his 2nd life. And a 2nd BO3 would occur. But! since they already met once in the tournament the extended series rules applies and the bo3 is extended to a bo7.
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Nope I like Naniwa's so called trash talk. Protoss players are supposed to be manly. And nothing is more manly with swagger than the naniwalk. Keep at it brotha.
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On November 22 2011 09:39 KingAce wrote:
Nope I like Naniwa's so called trash talk. Protoss players are supposed to be manly. And nothing is more manly with swagger than the naniwalk. Keep at it brotha.
Where's this Naniwalk I've heard a bit about? Anyone have a Youtube video or something? :3
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Naniwalk
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United States4991 Posts
Sign me up! Naniwa is awesome and I was very bummed about the final result 
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