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Amornthep
Singapore2605 Posts
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Zeetee
United States153 Posts
On November 21 2011 06:31 Stanlot wrote: MC hates that third base. I seriously wish he would stop relying on two base pushes. i don't. it's his style and it's totally badass. watching him walk right into MVP's perfect 3 bunker + supply depot + pre-pulled SCVs defense on tal'darim altar and snap the kids neck instantly anyway was awesome. leave the macro to other protosses, MC is the 2 base kratos protoss monster. it fits his personality perfectly and it gets people so pumped. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
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Xaeldaren
Ireland588 Posts
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Amornthep
Singapore2605 Posts
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Stanlot
United States5742 Posts
On November 22 2011 01:29 Zeetee wrote: i don't. it's his style and it's totally badass. watching him walk right into MVP's perfect 3 bunker + supply depot + pre-pulled SCVs defense on tal'darim altar and snap the kids neck instantly anyway was awesome. leave the macro to other protosses, MC is the 2 base kratos protoss monster. it fits his personality perfectly and it gets people so pumped. It may be how he rose to prominence earlier in his career but he really needs to adapt. I think his macro games are absolutely brilliant and he would stand a better chance against stronger players like MVP who can quickly develop ways to hold off one-punch powerful early pushes. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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jjhchsc2
Korea (South)2393 Posts
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Stanlot
United States5742 Posts
On November 22 2011 16:54 HolyArrow wrote: MC is great at macro games, but he fairly often likes to do aggressive two-base strategies, and his opponents often cheese him anyway which keeps games from even getting that far. I've seen MC die to Terran cheese more often than I'd like to remember. Put those two together and suddenly there's the impression that MC just loves 2-basing more than he actually probably does. I get what you're saying, and I agree that Protoss feels a lot more fragile against early aggression and cheese unless you match it with your own, but there have been way more than one occasion where I felt that he had kept his opponent on the back foot sufficiently long enough to gain an advantage and expand, but then he overextends himself and loses way more army than he should have without ever trying to progress into a macro game. When executed properly, he looks unstoppable, but when he fails to end the game or do enough damage, it looks like he's stubbornly sticking to two base because he's incapable of playing a longer game. It's obviously not the case, but it's still frustrating as a fan to see him play like he's hopelessly butting his head against a solid wall when he fails to win while only on two bases. + Show Spoiler [Stupid analogy. Don't read.] + The closest analogy I could think of when seeing MC play like that is, imagine Starcraft is parallel tight rope walking over a spiked floor. While they're tight rope walking, they also have to have a sword fight with each other. Imagine that half way down each rope, there are steel boots that the players could claim so they can step off the rope and onto the spikes safely. However, MC realizes that if he stays still on his rope, he could be safer while sword fighting than if he had to move and fight at the same time. Therefore, MC has an easier time of potentially ending the game early without putting forth the risk of grabbing a third, but he runs a different sort of risk of losing far more easily as the game progresses while sticking to a lower econ. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On November 22 2011 22:18 Stanlot wrote: I get what you're saying, and I agree that Protoss feels a lot more fragile against early aggression and cheese unless you match it with your own, but there have been way more than one occasion where I felt that he had kept his opponent on the back foot sufficiently long enough to gain an advantage and expand, but then he overextends himself and loses way more army than he should have without ever trying to progress into a macro game. When executed properly, he looks unstoppable, but when he fails to end the game or do enough damage, it looks like he's stubbornly sticking to two base because he's incapable of playing a longer game. It's obviously not the case, but it's still frustrating as a fan to see him play like he's hopelessly butting his head against a solid wall when he fails to win while only on two bases. + Show Spoiler [Stupid analogy. Don't read.] + The closest analogy I could think of when seeing MC play like that is, imagine Starcraft is parallel tight rope walking over a spiked floor. While they're tight rope walking, they also have to have a sword fight with each other. Imagine that half way down each rope, there are steel boots that the players could claim so they can step off the rope and onto the spikes safely. However, MC realizes that if he stays still on his rope, he could be safer while sword fighting than if he had to move and fight at the same time. Therefore, MC has an easier time of potentially ending the game early without putting forth the risk of grabbing a third, but he runs a different sort of risk of losing far more easily as the game progresses while sticking to a lower econ. Yeah, I definitely see what you're saying. MC definitely has some questionable decisions sometimes, which is odd. It's like sometimes, his decision-making just horribly fails him. As a big fan of his, I'd be interested in discussing some of his games with him to understand why he does things - maybe he has a really interesting point of view, or, maybe, he just lacks game-sense at times xD | ||
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BlazeTSR
United States218 Posts
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
I'm starting to wonder if MC has nerve issues and does the ceremonies etc to compensate for them. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On November 23 2011 06:05 SeaSwift wrote: I'm starting to wonder if MC has nerve issues and does the ceremonies etc to compensate for them. It's been known for quite some time that that is indeed the case - I think MC might have even mentioned it at one point, though I can't remember when. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On November 23 2011 06:36 HolyArrow wrote: It's been known for quite some time that that is indeed the case - I think MC might have even mentioned it at one point, though I can't remember when. Nasty. That explains some of his questionable decision-making at times. Perhaps I was just being thoughtless, but for some reason I always considered him to be some kind of fearless monster - I guess even Flash has felt nervous playing Starcraft (didn't he have to take drugs for it at some point?). | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
Even if MC does have problems with nerves, he is still an absolute boss and stands a fighting chance against the players recognised to be the best in the world. He's on one of the most dedicated teams, fighting for his spot as Protoss President against the challengers. oGsMC FIGHTING! | ||
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double620
China804 Posts
I am bored... | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On November 23 2011 06:05 SeaSwift wrote: Interesting to see what TheStC says in his interview (that MC is still the boss in practice but doesn't seem to come through in tournaments). I'm starting to wonder if MC has nerve issues and does the ceremonies etc to compensate for them. I don't think he has nerve problems, and if he does I dont think they actually affect his play to a detrimental degree. I think MC's recent inconsistency and lack of dominance comes from a combination of the following: 1. Traveling - out of all koreans MC has by far done the most traveling. 2. Success/fame/money - He was dominate for a long time, and that no doubt comes from hours of hard work. Winning all that money combined with the fact that hes known nothing but strict practice means hes at least a little burned out but now has the motivation to relax a bit. His success must have gained him a lot of fans and new friends - he even has a girlfriend now. No doubt that his social life improved with his success so he has more distractions than before. 3. Preparation - By this, I mean preparation done by his opponents. For a few months he was the most dominant and success player, therefore he had a BIG target on his back. I would imagine that his style/strategies and play was picked apart by coaches all around the sc2 universe. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37041 Posts
On November 23 2011 18:39 double620 wrote: so apart from gsl, where can we watch Mc's games in the next a few weeks? I am bored... I think he uses oGsSK to stream for TL. Other than that, we should see him very soon in other tournaments. Until then, make do with Code A. MC hwaiting! | ||
pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
On November 23 2011 19:26 Seeker wrote: I think he uses oGsSK to stream for TL. Other than that, we should see him very soon in other tournaments. Until then, make do with Code A. MC hwaiting! I think that him and nada have their own stream now | ||
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