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On April 17 2011 23:04 starsucks wrote:
So guys, it seems like I'm missing some basic background information:
1) What does idrA mean by talking about "the real game"?
2) Was tt1 really a map hacker in some game?
3) Why did he actually come up with the initial discussion? Did idrA Hydra-push him before?
4) What is this leaving/point denying trick? I haven't encoutered it a single time in all the hundreds of games I played on my way to masters. I absolutely fail to understand how it works. I've read at least three threads about it but my English seems to be to bad to understand it or am I just playing a different game?
When someone pauses the game, the screens darkens and you see this small text message at the top BUT why should this window where you have the surrender option and stuff come up? Never happend to me before. Pls can someone explain this in the most simple way possible to me.
1. Brood War. He calls it the real game because he was arguably the #1 foreigner and everyone who played it seriously knows that it was balanced really well and it took a lot of skill to be able to play it at the highest level.
2. Yep, in Brood War.
3. Dunno, Idra didn't say anything to him and TT1 just sort of started talking shit for no reason, maybe he's jealous?
No idea about your last question, I've never heard of it.
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On April 17 2011 23:06 .Enigma. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 23:04 starsucks wrote:
So guys, it seems like I'm missing some basic background information:
1) What does idrA mean by talking about "the real game"?
2) Was tt1 really a map hacker in some game?
3) Why did he actually come up with the initial discussion? Did idrA Hydra-push him before?
4) What is this leaving/point denying trick? I haven't encoutered it a single time in all the hundreds of games I played on my way to masters. I absolutely fail to understand how it works. I've read at least three threads about it but my English seems to be to bad to understand it or am I just playing a different game?
When someone pauses the game, the screens darkens and you see this small text message at the top BUT why should this window where you have the surrender option and stuff come up? Never happend to me before. Pls can someone explain this in the most simple way possible to me. 1) Brood war. 2) Yes, he did use hacks at some points during BW.
"real game" doesnt mean brood war, real game means strong macro game without any protoss op stuff. Thats my thoughts. We can also say that real game means the game where skill matter, not the maxing up in base with voids and collo and just go and win.
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On April 17 2011 23:11 SENKi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 23:06 .Enigma. wrote:On April 17 2011 23:04 starsucks wrote:
So guys, it seems like I'm missing some basic background information:
1) What does idrA mean by talking about "the real game"?
2) Was tt1 really a map hacker in some game?
3) Why did he actually come up with the initial discussion? Did idrA Hydra-push him before?
4) What is this leaving/point denying trick? I haven't encoutered it a single time in all the hundreds of games I played on my way to masters. I absolutely fail to understand how it works. I've read at least three threads about it but my English seems to be to bad to understand it or am I just playing a different game?
When someone pauses the game, the screens darkens and you see this small text message at the top BUT why should this window where you have the surrender option and stuff come up? Never happend to me before. Pls can someone explain this in the most simple way possible to me. 1) Brood war. 2) Yes, he did use hacks at some points during BW. "real game" doesnt mean brood war, real game means strong macro game without any protoss op stuff. Thats my thoughts. We can also say that real game means the game where skill matter, not the maxing up in base with voids and collo and just go and win.
you're wrong, he definitely meant BW
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On April 17 2011 23:11 SENKi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 23:06 .Enigma. wrote:On April 17 2011 23:04 starsucks wrote:
So guys, it seems like I'm missing some basic background information:
1) What does idrA mean by talking about "the real game"?
2) Was tt1 really a map hacker in some game?
3) Why did he actually come up with the initial discussion? Did idrA Hydra-push him before?
4) What is this leaving/point denying trick? I haven't encoutered it a single time in all the hundreds of games I played on my way to masters. I absolutely fail to understand how it works. I've read at least three threads about it but my English seems to be to bad to understand it or am I just playing a different game?
When someone pauses the game, the screens darkens and you see this small text message at the top BUT why should this window where you have the surrender option and stuff come up? Never happend to me before. Pls can someone explain this in the most simple way possible to me. 1) Brood war. 2) Yes, he did use hacks at some points during BW. "real game" doesnt mean brood war, real game means strong macro game without any protoss op stuff. Thats my thoughts. We can also say that real game means the game where skill matter, not the maxing up in base with voids and collo and just go and win.
I think by real game Idra just means a game that comes down to skill / mechanics (macro, micro, scouting, etc) instead of a build order.
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On April 17 2011 23:15 dens0n wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 23:11 SENKi wrote:On April 17 2011 23:06 .Enigma. wrote:On April 17 2011 23:04 starsucks wrote:
So guys, it seems like I'm missing some basic background information:
1) What does idrA mean by talking about "the real game"?
2) Was tt1 really a map hacker in some game?
3) Why did he actually come up with the initial discussion? Did idrA Hydra-push him before?
4) What is this leaving/point denying trick? I haven't encoutered it a single time in all the hundreds of games I played on my way to masters. I absolutely fail to understand how it works. I've read at least three threads about it but my English seems to be to bad to understand it or am I just playing a different game?
When someone pauses the game, the screens darkens and you see this small text message at the top BUT why should this window where you have the surrender option and stuff come up? Never happend to me before. Pls can someone explain this in the most simple way possible to me. 1) Brood war. 2) Yes, he did use hacks at some points during BW. "real game" doesnt mean brood war, real game means strong macro game without any protoss op stuff. Thats my thoughts. We can also say that real game means the game where skill matter, not the maxing up in base with voids and collo and just go and win. you're wrong, he definitely meant BW
Why he would mean a brood war telling "real game" while playing sc2 tournament. Does it have any sense?. Or he told that he really meant brood war, i can be wrong, but thats my opinion.
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TT1 started the game with something along the lines of: "let's not be gay and play a good macro game, ok?"
This may have been genuine, but since IdrA has the reputation of being the most cheesy-play hating person in sc2 it seems kind of pointless, so I for myself perceived it as TT1 talking shit. But I would unterstand if someone took it as genuine. (Which then would mean leaving the toss getting his deathball (colossi + voids + stalkers) up and we all know IdrA has been known to have slight antipathy for that sort of toss unit composition.  )
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On April 17 2011 23:04 starsucks wrote:
3) Why did he actually come up with the initial discussion? Did idrA Hydra-push him before?
It actually started pretty harmlessly, TT1 said in chat something along the lines of "Lets play an actual macro game!", to which idra responded "But you're Protoss". After that they started exchanging what seemed like banter, but then turned to insulting.
This was the first time i have ever actually watched Idra's stream...randomly thought i'd check it out from the sidebar, happened to tune in right as the game that avilo bunker rushed the wrong natural was beginning, so happy i did tune in as it turned into a very entertaining afternoon!
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On April 17 2011 23:17 SENKi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 23:15 dens0n wrote:On April 17 2011 23:11 SENKi wrote:On April 17 2011 23:06 .Enigma. wrote:On April 17 2011 23:04 starsucks wrote:
So guys, it seems like I'm missing some basic background information:
1) What does idrA mean by talking about "the real game"?
2) Was tt1 really a map hacker in some game?
3) Why did he actually come up with the initial discussion? Did idrA Hydra-push him before?
4) What is this leaving/point denying trick? I haven't encoutered it a single time in all the hundreds of games I played on my way to masters. I absolutely fail to understand how it works. I've read at least three threads about it but my English seems to be to bad to understand it or am I just playing a different game?
When someone pauses the game, the screens darkens and you see this small text message at the top BUT why should this window where you have the surrender option and stuff come up? Never happend to me before. Pls can someone explain this in the most simple way possible to me. 1) Brood war. 2) Yes, he did use hacks at some points during BW. "real game" doesnt mean brood war, real game means strong macro game without any protoss op stuff. Thats my thoughts. We can also say that real game means the game where skill matter, not the maxing up in base with voids and collo and just go and win. you're wrong, he definitely meant BW Why he would mean a brood war telling "real game" while playing sc2 tournament. Does it have any sense?. Or he told that he really meant brood war, i can be wrong, but thats my opinion.
Since he said something like "some random maphacker from the real game" and TT1 maphacked at BW, I think we can safely assume he meant BW in that statement.
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On April 17 2011 23:09 Callous wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 23:04 starsucks wrote:
So guys, it seems like I'm missing some basic background information:
1) What does idrA mean by talking about "the real game"?
2) Was tt1 really a map hacker in some game?
3) Why did he actually come up with the initial discussion? Did idrA Hydra-push him before?
4) What is this leaving/point denying trick? I haven't encoutered it a single time in all the hundreds of games I played on my way to masters. I absolutely fail to understand how it works. I've read at least three threads about it but my English seems to be to bad to understand it or am I just playing a different game?
When someone pauses the game, the screens darkens and you see this small text message at the top BUT why should this window where you have the surrender option and stuff come up? Never happend to me before. Pls can someone explain this in the most simple way possible to me. 1. Brood War. He calls it the real game because he was arguably the #1 foreigner and everyone who played it seriously knows that it was balanced really well and it took a lot of skill to be able to play it at the highest level. 2. Yep, in Brood War. 3. Dunno, Idra didn't say anything to him and TT1 just sort of started talking shit for no reason, maybe he's jealous? No idea about your last question, I've never heard of it.
Ah, ok. Thanks. Now I understand. Never played BW, was too young.......
To 3. Yeah and this was what made me wonder. He just acted like idRa was Baneling Rushing or 3 Roach All-Inning every Protoss.
Do you at least know in detail what happend in the Game between him and Rain? Is there a VOD? I didn't see it and i still don't get it from what there is in the thread?
What was the bunker rush thing with Avilo? What is the back ground? The seem to hate each other as well. IdrA seems to have a lot of enemies....
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On April 17 2011 22:51 CheeseyJunk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 22:38 DoubleReed wrote:On April 17 2011 22:25 loveeholicce wrote:On April 17 2011 12:49 Essentia wrote:On April 17 2011 12:37 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On April 17 2011 11:48 Essentia wrote:Something funny from NASL spoiler b/t Ret & Ace btw + Show Spoiler +ROFL after the NASL game b/t Ret and Ace and Ret got 2-0's they went to a break, but left the mic on accidentally and you could hear Gretorp and Incontrol talking about the game not knowing they were being recorded. One of them said Ret sucked, and then Incontrol said that Ret lost because he's "playing like Idra."
the convo:
Gretorp: Dude ret sucked, hes so good I wanted him to win.
Incontrol: He lost cause he's playing like Idra I wonder what iNcontroL means by that... + Show Spoiler +
That Ret, like Idra, plays too passively.
However, if anyone's been watching Idra's stream recently you would know he has been changing his style up quite a bit and trying diff things such as nydus drops and overlord drops too!
People who say that seriously underestimate how fucking hard it is to attack into an army with range 9 collosus and 6 sentries will almost full energy for forcefields. No, I think people do understand that. But IdrA and Ret know by now that you can't just outmacro the protoss deathball and win in a direct fight. I don't care about imbalance, they need to either stay away from the maxed range to allow themselves more room for infestors/broodlords, or constantly be attacking when maxed. Everyone knows how it works by now. Obviously it's hard, but they don't have a choice. That's how the game has to be played. OR Blizzard can just realise that this is retarded and fix it by doing a few buffs and nerfs.
What the hell would you buff or nerf? Hydras, Roaches, and Lings are all absurdly cost effective against Toss. Colossus is an expensive, tech heavy, fragile unit so of course it's does a shitload of damage. Maybe if Colossus was slower or Hydra was faster maybe something would work, but honestly Zerg units are pretty damn good.
I doubt this is going to be "fixed" until we get new units in HotS. Until then, play the game.
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On April 17 2011 23:21 Junichi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 23:17 SENKi wrote:On April 17 2011 23:15 dens0n wrote:On April 17 2011 23:11 SENKi wrote:On April 17 2011 23:06 .Enigma. wrote:On April 17 2011 23:04 starsucks wrote:
So guys, it seems like I'm missing some basic background information:
1) What does idrA mean by talking about "the real game"?
2) Was tt1 really a map hacker in some game?
3) Why did he actually come up with the initial discussion? Did idrA Hydra-push him before?
4) What is this leaving/point denying trick? I haven't encoutered it a single time in all the hundreds of games I played on my way to masters. I absolutely fail to understand how it works. I've read at least three threads about it but my English seems to be to bad to understand it or am I just playing a different game?
When someone pauses the game, the screens darkens and you see this small text message at the top BUT why should this window where you have the surrender option and stuff come up? Never happend to me before. Pls can someone explain this in the most simple way possible to me. 1) Brood war. 2) Yes, he did use hacks at some points during BW. "real game" doesnt mean brood war, real game means strong macro game without any protoss op stuff. Thats my thoughts. We can also say that real game means the game where skill matter, not the maxing up in base with voids and collo and just go and win. you're wrong, he definitely meant BW Why he would mean a brood war telling "real game" while playing sc2 tournament. Does it have any sense?. Or he told that he really meant brood war, i can be wrong, but thats my opinion. Since he said something like "some random maphacker from the real game" and TT1 maphacked at BW, I think we can safely assume he meant BW in that statement.
Also, when he played against CombatEX a few weeks back, he made fun of CombatEX for losing against Chill in the "real game" ( BW ). Case closed !
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On April 17 2011 23:22 starsucks wrote:
What was the bunker rush thing with Avilo? What is the back ground? The seem to hate each other as well. IdrA seems to have a lot of enemies....
Basically, it was a 4 player map(i forget which) and avilo obviously hadn't scouted. Anyway, he sent out a bunch of marines and SCV's, and at about the center of the map idra saw them with his lings. Idra then baited Avilo's units to the natural of the 7o'clock(idra was actually spawned at the 10o'clock base). Avilo made atleast 3 bunkers all advancing towards that 7o'clock natural, and idra just ran his lings back home and continued macro'ing up.
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On April 17 2011 23:23 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 22:51 CheeseyJunk wrote:On April 17 2011 22:38 DoubleReed wrote:On April 17 2011 22:25 loveeholicce wrote:On April 17 2011 12:49 Essentia wrote:On April 17 2011 12:37 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On April 17 2011 11:48 Essentia wrote:Something funny from NASL spoiler b/t Ret & Ace btw + Show Spoiler +ROFL after the NASL game b/t Ret and Ace and Ret got 2-0's they went to a break, but left the mic on accidentally and you could hear Gretorp and Incontrol talking about the game not knowing they were being recorded. One of them said Ret sucked, and then Incontrol said that Ret lost because he's "playing like Idra."
the convo:
Gretorp: Dude ret sucked, hes so good I wanted him to win.
Incontrol: He lost cause he's playing like Idra I wonder what iNcontroL means by that... + Show Spoiler +
That Ret, like Idra, plays too passively.
However, if anyone's been watching Idra's stream recently you would know he has been changing his style up quite a bit and trying diff things such as nydus drops and overlord drops too!
People who say that seriously underestimate how fucking hard it is to attack into an army with range 9 collosus and 6 sentries will almost full energy for forcefields. No, I think people do understand that. But IdrA and Ret know by now that you can't just outmacro the protoss deathball and win in a direct fight. I don't care about imbalance, they need to either stay away from the maxed range to allow themselves more room for infestors/broodlords, or constantly be attacking when maxed. Everyone knows how it works by now. Obviously it's hard, but they don't have a choice. That's how the game has to be played. OR Blizzard can just realise that this is retarded and fix it by doing a few buffs and nerfs. What the hell would you buff or nerf? Hydras, Roaches, and Lings are all absurdly cost effective against Toss. Colossus is an expensive, tech heavy, fragile unit so of course it's does a shitload of damage. Maybe if Colossus was slower or Hydra was faster maybe something would work, but honestly Zerg units are pretty damn good. I doubt this is going to be "fixed" until we get new units in HotS. Until then, play the game.
There's VODs of all of his games on his jtv channel, http://idrajit.tv. I didn't catch all of it but basically Rain accidentally paused the game before he left and called gg, which can happen quite easily, and I think Idra pressed surrender instead of unpausing and taking the game, so it counted as a loss. Unlucky, but I don't think Rain meant to do it on purpose, he seemed pretty apologetic the next game.
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On April 17 2011 23:22 starsucks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 23:09 Callous wrote:On April 17 2011 23:04 starsucks wrote:
So guys, it seems like I'm missing some basic background information:
1) What does idrA mean by talking about "the real game"?
2) Was tt1 really a map hacker in some game?
3) Why did he actually come up with the initial discussion? Did idrA Hydra-push him before?
4) What is this leaving/point denying trick? I haven't encoutered it a single time in all the hundreds of games I played on my way to masters. I absolutely fail to understand how it works. I've read at least three threads about it but my English seems to be to bad to understand it or am I just playing a different game?
When someone pauses the game, the screens darkens and you see this small text message at the top BUT why should this window where you have the surrender option and stuff come up? Never happend to me before. Pls can someone explain this in the most simple way possible to me. 1. Brood War. He calls it the real game because he was arguably the #1 foreigner and everyone who played it seriously knows that it was balanced really well and it took a lot of skill to be able to play it at the highest level. 2. Yep, in Brood War. 3. Dunno, Idra didn't say anything to him and TT1 just sort of started talking shit for no reason, maybe he's jealous? No idea about your last question, I've never heard of it. What was the bunker rush thing with Avilo? What is the back ground? The seem to hate each other as well. IdrA seems to have a lot of enemies....
Don't be silly. Just because he thinks avilo is a bad player and tells him so, doesn't mean he hates him. Same goes for his other "enemies".
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I watched Idra's awesome stream last night and saw the Rain games. I'm not sure it really counted significantly as a loss, and I'm quite sure Idra did at least lose no points from it.
In one game Idra faced TT1 and got 3 pylon blocked at his ramp, upon which Idra just left. This other game you speak about where they exchanged insults, could anyone bother to write a transcript or screenshot or anything of it? Or the replay perhaps? I'm interested in what they said (I collect zvp whine ^^)
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On April 17 2011 23:23 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 22:51 CheeseyJunk wrote:On April 17 2011 22:38 DoubleReed wrote:On April 17 2011 22:25 loveeholicce wrote:On April 17 2011 12:49 Essentia wrote:On April 17 2011 12:37 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On April 17 2011 11:48 Essentia wrote:Something funny from NASL spoiler b/t Ret & Ace btw + Show Spoiler +ROFL after the NASL game b/t Ret and Ace and Ret got 2-0's they went to a break, but left the mic on accidentally and you could hear Gretorp and Incontrol talking about the game not knowing they were being recorded. One of them said Ret sucked, and then Incontrol said that Ret lost because he's "playing like Idra."
the convo:
Gretorp: Dude ret sucked, hes so good I wanted him to win.
Incontrol: He lost cause he's playing like Idra I wonder what iNcontroL means by that... + Show Spoiler +
That Ret, like Idra, plays too passively.
However, if anyone's been watching Idra's stream recently you would know he has been changing his style up quite a bit and trying diff things such as nydus drops and overlord drops too!
People who say that seriously underestimate how fucking hard it is to attack into an army with range 9 collosus and 6 sentries will almost full energy for forcefields. No, I think people do understand that. But IdrA and Ret know by now that you can't just outmacro the protoss deathball and win in a direct fight. I don't care about imbalance, they need to either stay away from the maxed range to allow themselves more room for infestors/broodlords, or constantly be attacking when maxed. Everyone knows how it works by now. Obviously it's hard, but they don't have a choice. That's how the game has to be played. OR Blizzard can just realise that this is retarded and fix it by doing a few buffs and nerfs. What the hell would you buff or nerf? Hydras, Roaches, and Lings are all absurdly cost effective against Toss. Colossus is an expensive, tech heavy, fragile unit so of course it's does a shitload of damage. Maybe if Colossus was slower or Hydra was faster maybe something would work, but honestly Zerg units are pretty damn good. I doubt this is going to be "fixed" until we get new units in HotS. Until then, play the game.
At this stage it is becoming more and more clear that warp gate technology needs to be changed in some capacity. A number of players have stated this but I am yet to see an in-depth analysis, which I am currently working on.
I'm sure most zerg players currently experience some of the frustration that IdrA is dealing with vP. It's not like you can blame the guy for the way he acts/responds.
Also posting here to say GL to IdrA for the NASL.
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On April 17 2011 23:57 diverzee wrote:
I watched Idra's awesome stream last night and saw the Rain games. I'm not sure it really counted significantly as a loss, and I'm quite sure Idra did at least lose no points from it.
In one game Idra faced TT1 and got 3 pylon blocked at his ramp, upon which Idra just left. This other game you speak about where they exchanged insults, could anyone bother to write a transcript or screenshot or anything of it? Or the replay perhaps? I'm interested in what they said (I collect zvp whine ^^)
Look on his JTV channel all the vods are up there on it. http://www.justin.tv/eg_idra/videos
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On April 17 2011 22:10 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 21:25 ch4iNz wrote:On April 17 2011 15:44 daRkfalleN wrote:On April 17 2011 15:28 ch4iNz wrote:
anyone here knows to which artists idra is listening to while playing ? especially for dubstep?
Skrillex any1 else wit some answers ? i dont know if you meant this serious, but there are only silly remixes from skillrex on yt  https://www.beatport.com/de-DE/html/content/release/detail/289817/Scary Monsters And Nice Sprites it's Skrillex I personally think he's terrible and only famous because he released that on mau5trap and he was the lead singer of some punk/metal band but that's just my personal hate.
On April 17 2011 21:38 DieterEilts wrote:
Music is Skrillex - Scary Monsters and nice Sprites
but he isnt only listening to skillrex, is he?
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No, it is not only skillex. Some of it is NiT GriT aswell. There is something in the OP stating a list of all the bands that idra is listning to his stream. Check it out!
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On April 17 2011 22:51 CheeseyJunk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 22:38 DoubleReed wrote:On April 17 2011 22:25 loveeholicce wrote:On April 17 2011 12:49 Essentia wrote:On April 17 2011 12:37 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On April 17 2011 11:48 Essentia wrote:Something funny from NASL spoiler b/t Ret & Ace btw + Show Spoiler +ROFL after the NASL game b/t Ret and Ace and Ret got 2-0's they went to a break, but left the mic on accidentally and you could hear Gretorp and Incontrol talking about the game not knowing they were being recorded. One of them said Ret sucked, and then Incontrol said that Ret lost because he's "playing like Idra."
the convo:
Gretorp: Dude ret sucked, hes so good I wanted him to win.
Incontrol: He lost cause he's playing like Idra I wonder what iNcontroL means by that... + Show Spoiler +
That Ret, like Idra, plays too passively.
However, if anyone's been watching Idra's stream recently you would know he has been changing his style up quite a bit and trying diff things such as nydus drops and overlord drops too!
People who say that seriously underestimate how fucking hard it is to attack into an army with range 9 collosus and 6 sentries will almost full energy for forcefields. No, I think people do understand that. But IdrA and Ret know by now that you can't just outmacro the protoss deathball and win in a direct fight. I don't care about imbalance, they need to either stay away from the maxed range to allow themselves more room for infestors/broodlords, or constantly be attacking when maxed. Everyone knows how it works by now. Obviously it's hard, but they don't have a choice. That's how the game has to be played. OR Blizzard can just realise that this is retarded and fix it by doing a few buffs and nerfs.
How about NO. Zerg players are slowly discovering how to stop the Protoss from getting their successful deathball up. Macroing and attacking it head on is NOT the way. The sooner Zerg players understand that, the better.
I don't want SC2 to be a game where every unit sucks as much as every other unit so screw nerfing
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