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On April 18 2011 06:01 Jinsho wrote:
These games just left a sour taste in my mouth. Cruncher did not play well by any means. We did not see any micro, anything special macro-wise, he just went air first against zerg and produced units, and right-clicked Zerg's units. And he won despite being outmassed, out-APMed and outmicroed.
And he had the nerve to cannon rush as well. That's just bad taste.
I think Cruncher only won because he's Protoss but I don't see what's wrong with cannon rushing. You play to win.
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On April 18 2011 05:19 Kylig wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 04:47 Junichi wrote:I would love for IdrA to stream right now. No picture, just voice and commentate the TSL...  Idra commentating TSL would get more viewers than day9/husky. GO idra!! btw, mondragon vs cruncher game 2 just ended... this game alone is a proof how ridiculos Protoss is. I think we need cannons nerfed or lings buffed. Colossus range upgrade removed Colossus speed same as Thor Colossus do friendly fire Those changed would pretty much fix zvp.. removal of warpgated would make the gameplay more interesting to ofc.
Nothing to see here, just another Plastic league random. Move along.
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Well, actually IdrA doing some commentating/casting would be great. When watching the Mr Bitter episodes he showed his analytical side and was quite willing to discuss build orders and strategy on air.
He should do something like that, I think, he'd be great.
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Well, I wasn't exactly expecting Mon to win. My prediction of no zerg's making it to Ro8 came true even though I thought Sen had a good chance of beating Boxer.
Zerg in general hasn't been showing results in any major tournaments lately and protoss is pretty much dominating; that doesn't mean all protoss players are bad.
On the subject of Cruncher, he's got to play Naniwa next and while I think he might take a game off him, every game he loses will show the skill gap between the two players. I simply don't believe Cruncher is a world class player.
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On April 18 2011 06:18 ratMortar wrote:
Well, I wasn't exactly expecting Mon to win. My prediction of no zerg's making it to Ro8 came true even though I thought Sen had a good chance of beating Boxer.
Zerg in general hasn't been showing results in any major tournaments lately and protoss is pretty much dominating; that doesn't mean all protoss players are bad.
On the subject of Cruncher, he's got to play Naniwa next and while I think he might take a game off him, every game he loses will show the skill gap between the two players. I simply don't believe Cruncher is a world class player.
Eh, I think Nani will crush Cruncher, but people don't give Cruncher enough credit. If Idra never showed off the stupid 4-gate game on JP and Friends and talked a bunch of trash about how bad Cruncher is, people wouldn't be giving him so much shit and he would have been judged on a clean slate. I think Cruncher should not have been able to win the second game, he was battered so hard and if he was a Terran there was no way he could have taken that game. But he played really beautifully the final game and showed that he has some really great decision making, quick thinking, and great micro. I think he's definitely riding the Protoss wave for now, but there's nothing to show that once Protoss inevitably gets nerfed he will just drop off the face of the earth. I think it won't be long before he could be a world class player. I definitely think by the time the next balance patch or two comes around Zerg will do much better and hopefully we'll see Idra get off of this stupid defeatest attitude and start winning some tournaments.
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I disagree. In my opinion there was no good decision making, no good macro, no good micro in any of those games by Cruncher. He won one of them by making cannons, for God's sake. Good micro, good decision making is definitely not that.
In the other three games he did the same every time - massed void rays and colossus, just stumbled around the map and killed whatever he saw. Spammed force field a couple of times I guess. Micro? That's not good micro.
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On April 18 2011 06:50 Jinsho wrote:
I disagree. In my opinion there was no good decision making, no good macro, no good micro in any of those games by Cruncher. He won one of them by making cannons, for God's sake. Good micro, good decision making is definitely not that.
In the other three games he did the same every time - massed void rays and colossus, just stumbled around the map and killed whatever he saw. Spammed force field a couple of times I guess. Micro? That's not good micro.
Oh, I'm not going to argue this in the Idra thread because I would rather talk about Idra's play than bash other players (unlike what most of the people here do), but he didn't win that because of cannons. If you really believe that you're eyes are clouded. All I'm saying is people don't give Cruncher enough credit and I give Cruncher credit where it's due.
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^ The thread you are looking for is here - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=205926
You don't want to argue, yet you continue to comment and reply to further instigate it. Most of your recent comments in this thread have been like that and some have been nothing but small jabs at IdrA. The thread turns into shit enough when he loses or people he's lost to before win (like MorroW).
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On April 18 2011 06:33 GP wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 06:18 ratMortar wrote:
Well, I wasn't exactly expecting Mon to win. My prediction of no zerg's making it to Ro8 came true even though I thought Sen had a good chance of beating Boxer.
Zerg in general hasn't been showing results in any major tournaments lately and protoss is pretty much dominating; that doesn't mean all protoss players are bad.
On the subject of Cruncher, he's got to play Naniwa next and while I think he might take a game off him, every game he loses will show the skill gap between the two players. I simply don't believe Cruncher is a world class player.
Eh, I think Nani will crush Cruncher, but people don't give Cruncher enough credit. If Idra never showed off the stupid 4-gate game on JP and Friends and talked a bunch of trash about how bad Cruncher is, people wouldn't be giving him so much shit and he would have been judged on a clean slate. I think Cruncher should not have been able to win the second game, he was battered so hard and if he was a Terran there was no way he could have taken that game. But he played really beautifully the final game and showed that he has some really great decision making, quick thinking, and great micro. I think he's definitely riding the Protoss wave for now, but there's nothing to show that once Protoss inevitably gets nerfed he will just drop off the face of the earth. I think it won't be long before he could be a world class player. I definitely think by the time the next balance patch or two comes around Zerg will do much better and hopefully we'll see Idra get off of this stupid defeatest attitude and start winning some tournaments.
Well, my final opinion of Cruncher is still pending the Naniwa games. My prediction can be proven wrong and if it is, more power to Cruncher. But watching him have so much trouble dealing with multi-pronged attacks had me doubting how far he can go as a player.
He's beaten a lot of great zergs and he's beaten some notable terrans, but his mechanics in general feel weak. The TSL games were a pretty good indication of this as, once he was on more than 3 bases, his macro started to stumble. I'd have to rewatch the games so don't hold me to it though.
Getting credit as a player is hard, IdrA's posting better results than any other zerg outside Korea and some people still won't give him credit. But I do think that any kind of good showing from Cruncher against Naniwa, as well as good results in his NASL division are the first steps. But like I said, I just don't think Cruncher is at that world stage level.
Going back on topic, IdrA playing Socke tonight. Hope he avenges his loss from the HDWT and gets off to a good start.
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Can we keep the Cruncher discussion out of the thread from this point on? We don't need this to turn into another MorroW.
On April 18 2011 07:12 ratMortar wrote:
Going back on topic, IdrA playing Socke tonight. Hope he avenges his loss from the HDWT and gets off to a good start.
Let's hope he does. Hopefully he recovered from his somewhat depression from DreamHack.
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On April 18 2011 07:06 GenoZStriker wrote:^ The thread you are looking for is here - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=205926You don't want to argue, yet you continue to comment and reply to further instigate it. Most of your recent comments in this thread have been like that and some have been nothing but small jabs at IdrA. The thread turns into shit enough when he loses or people he's lost to before win (like MorroW).
Oh my god what are you talking about? Nothing was instigated, I was adding to the discussion which was already there about Cruncher and Mondragon. The only "jab" was I hope Idra gets off of his defeatest attitude, which I'm sure anyone can agree Idra has right now, that's not a jab--just a fact. I want Idra to win, but if I see discussion about other players I enjoy I'm going to talk about it. Seriously go away, just because I don't want to bash on players Idra doesn't like doesn't mean I can't make discussion here.
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On April 18 2011 07:12 ratMortar wrote:
Going back on topic, IdrA playing Socke tonight. Hope he avenges his loss from the HDWT and gets off to a good start.
Idra will crush Socke. I was never impressed with Socke's PvZ and Idra has blown Socke out of the water recently. I actually haven't been impressed by Socke at all recently, he always seems to do really well, but I have never been won over by his play when he does win.
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On April 18 2011 07:21 GP wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 07:12 ratMortar wrote:
Going back on topic, IdrA playing Socke tonight. Hope he avenges his loss from the HDWT and gets off to a good start. Idra will crush Socke. I was never impressed with Socke's PvZ and Idra has blown Socke out of the water recently.
idra just lost to socke 2-0 in the HDWT....
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On April 18 2011 07:22 Warrice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 07:21 GP wrote:On April 18 2011 07:12 ratMortar wrote:
Going back on topic, IdrA playing Socke tonight. Hope he avenges his loss from the HDWT and gets off to a good start. Idra will crush Socke. I was never impressed with Socke's PvZ and Idra has blown Socke out of the water recently. idra just lost to socke 2-0 in the HDWT....
Really? Well the last I saw them play was MLG and Socke didn't look too hot.
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I think it's a tossup. Idra's clearly a top 3 zerg when he wants to be but the matchup's in a rough spot right now and you never know what you're going to get when you engage with an EU player.
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By the way for anyone wondering about that last game he played with Strifecro on his stream where Strife asked him about Kiwikaki, i have a prediction that should be quite accurate, spoiler below:
+ Show Spoiler +The ign pro league is likely the tournament. IdrA's match history had him playing Fenix first a few weeks ago which I made a post about. then he played Drewbie, which he also won. The other half of his side of the bracket had a few notable players but Kiwikaki was top dog so i'd assume he got through. I don't know the result of those matches but I've looked at all the upcoming tournments and it's the only one that makes sense so far.
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I dont know if u Zerg fanbois realize but Terrans have lower win ratio against protosses overall than Zergs in these past months.
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On April 18 2011 08:14 ratMortar wrote:By the way for anyone wondering about that last game he played with Strifecro on his stream where Strife asked him about Kiwikaki, i have a prediction that should be quite accurate, spoiler below: + Show Spoiler +The ign pro league is likely the tournament. IdrA's match history had him playing Fenix first a few weeks ago which I made a post about. then he played Drewbie, which he also won. The other half of his side of the bracket had a few notable players but Kiwikaki was top dog so i'd assume he got through. I don't know the result of those matches but I've looked at all the upcoming tournments and it's the only one that makes sense so far.
+ Show Spoiler + what maps were they, did the maps correspond to the map pool if the IGN pro league?
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Did anyone else notice that IdrA posted a frowny face on his twitter? It gives me a bad feeling about his game with Socke...
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