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hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
April 14 2011 16:33 GMT
#7641
I really wish idra would just pull his shit together. He's such a talented and skilled zerg and whether PvZ is imbalanced or not is almost irrelevant, I can't stand seeing him throwing away games like he did at dh.
Essentia
Profile Joined July 2010
1150 Posts
April 14 2011 16:36 GMT
#7642
On April 15 2011 01:23 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 22:18 Denzil wrote:
They made an interesting point on SOTG where Corruptor Brood Lord Infestor + X is strong. Infestors with Neural Parasite are indeed pretty strong. I was thinking of something like 6 Ultras 12 Infestors 9 Brood Lords and rest Corruptors to be a strong looking way to break the ball.

Ultras make room for the Infestors to NP Voidrays which the Corruptors + VRs will eat the rest. Fungals keep the Stalkers in place from which if they blink to kill Broods or Infestors even if they did Ultras end up with a better splash damage area.

Of course this is all just theorycrafting and ideas but I've tried it a few times and it hasn't been so bad.

Just gonna say what everyone looking at this post is thinking... gasssssssssssssssssssssss

It takes a long time to build up that ball of units, and during that time you're vulnerable - I agree it's strong, but there's a piece missing (the part where you don't die).



Yeah it's so annoying when Day9 just keeps saying "go mass infestors, just get like 15 infestors."

Ok Day9 tell me where the gas is suppose to come from? You have to be on like 4-5 base of gas to get up that many infestors, so how is zerg suppose to survive till 5 base? Off mass ling or something?

BeefEU
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands260 Posts
April 14 2011 17:59 GMT
#7643
By the way why isn't IdrA in the grandmasters league? He's been owning on the ladder and isn't in Europe or NA.

He most certainly is good enough to get in right?
seansye
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1722 Posts
April 14 2011 18:07 GMT
#7644
On April 15 2011 02:59 BeefEU wrote:
By the way why isn't IdrA in the grandmasters league? He's been owning on the ladder and isn't in Europe or NA.

He most certainly is good enough to get in right?



I Beat idra yesterday on NA, but he was playing protoss and his apm was like 100ish. I dont think it was really him, but it was definitely his real account. I kinda think it was Artosis.
I will master Speshul Taktics.!
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
April 14 2011 18:12 GMT
#7645
On April 15 2011 03:07 SEANSYE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 02:59 BeefEU wrote:
By the way why isn't IdrA in the grandmasters league? He's been owning on the ladder and isn't in Europe or NA.

He most certainly is good enough to get in right?



I Beat idra yesterday on NA, but he was playing protoss and his apm was like 100ish. I dont think it was really him, but it was definitely his real account. I kinda think it was Artosis.


There are multiple EGidra accounts in Masters. Just look them up on sc2ranks.com. I highly doubt Artosis (who had at least 250 BW APM) has 100 in sc2.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
April 14 2011 18:13 GMT
#7646
On April 15 2011 02:59 BeefEU wrote:
By the way why isn't IdrA in the grandmasters league? He's been owning on the ladder and isn't in Europe or NA.

He most certainly is good enough to get in right?

he was just in sweden?
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TheBruky
Profile Joined January 2011
Czech Republic29 Posts
April 14 2011 18:13 GMT
#7647
On April 15 2011 03:07 SEANSYE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 02:59 BeefEU wrote:
By the way why isn't IdrA in the grandmasters league? He's been owning on the ladder and isn't in Europe or NA.

He most certainly is good enough to get in right?



I Beat idra yesterday on NA, but he was playing protoss and his apm was like 100ish. I dont think it was really him, but it was definitely his real account. I kinda think it was Artosis.

that's proved fake http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/873540/EGIdrA

He isn't in GM league cause u have to play at least one game to get there. He wasn't laddering for like 10 days
Tschis
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil1511 Posts
April 14 2011 18:15 GMT
#7648
On April 15 2011 03:13 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 02:59 BeefEU wrote:
By the way why isn't IdrA in the grandmasters league? He's been owning on the ladder and isn't in Europe or NA.

He most certainly is good enough to get in right?

he was just in sweden?


He meant NA or EU grand masters

"A coward is not someone that runs from a battle knowing he will lose. A coward is someone who challenges a weak knowing he will win."
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
April 14 2011 18:15 GMT
#7649
You can check the achievements if you have any doubts as to whether he is real or not. This one is indeed wrong.
Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
April 14 2011 18:17 GMT
#7650
idra is in grand masters right now on NA.
Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
seansye
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1722 Posts
April 14 2011 18:18 GMT
#7651
sorry, but it was the real IdrA account lol.... EGIdrA, with a hydra profile. I know how to check sc2ranks T_T.
I will master Speshul Taktics.!
starsucks
Profile Joined January 2011
233 Posts
April 14 2011 18:40 GMT
#7652
He is. Got in really late in but he is.

Mass infestor: I don't really see this working. Mass infestor might be good against mass blink stalker, althought roach with a modest number of infestors does the job just as well. But in a fight against a death ball infestors just die too fast because of the huge colossus range and the averagely high range of the ball overall including the units that do bonus damage against armored (stalker, voidray). A single fungal is just not gamechangig enough compared to a storm to use infestors as a one hitter especially since the toss units are relatively bulky and have high hp and shields. A storm forces a whole zerg army to retreat, stop fighting. A fungal just hasn't the same potential. Why is the infestor even armored he should be psionic biological?

oGm`REM
Profile Joined March 2011
United States870 Posts
April 14 2011 18:59 GMT
#7653
On April 15 2011 03:18 SEANSYE wrote:
sorry, but it was the real IdrA account lol.... EGIdrA, with a hydra profile. I know how to check sc2ranks T_T.

Not to mention that IdrA doesn't have the 250 1v1 Protoss Voidray portrait, hah.
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Potonho
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil42 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 19:10:35
April 14 2011 19:09 GMT
#7654
On April 15 2011 03:40 starsucks wrote:
He is. Got in really late in but he is.

Mass infestor: I don't really see this working. Mass infestor might be good against mass blink stalker, althought roach with a modest number of infestors does the job just as well. But in a fight against a death ball infestors just die too fast because of the huge colossus range and the averagely high range of the ball overall including the units that do bonus damage against armored (stalker, voidray). A single fungal is just not gamechangig enough compared to a storm to use infestors as a one hitter especially since the toss units are relatively bulky and have high hp and shields. A storm forces a whole zerg army to retreat, stop fighting. A fungal just hasn't the same potential. Why is the infestor even armored he should be psionic biological?



that`s exactly my thought we zerg don`t have nothing to force/halt a deathball into our base (if the game get to that point anyway) well i can say that i didn`t find a breach yet =/

edit: and sadly i`m not having the time to play right now =~~~
TROLOLOLOLO LOLOL LOLOL
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
April 14 2011 19:16 GMT
#7655
On April 15 2011 04:09 Potonho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 03:40 starsucks wrote:
He is. Got in really late in but he is.

Mass infestor: I don't really see this working. Mass infestor might be good against mass blink stalker, althought roach with a modest number of infestors does the job just as well. But in a fight against a death ball infestors just die too fast because of the huge colossus range and the averagely high range of the ball overall including the units that do bonus damage against armored (stalker, voidray). A single fungal is just not gamechangig enough compared to a storm to use infestors as a one hitter especially since the toss units are relatively bulky and have high hp and shields. A storm forces a whole zerg army to retreat, stop fighting. A fungal just hasn't the same potential. Why is the infestor even armored he should be psionic biological?



that`s exactly my thought we zerg don`t have nothing to force/halt a deathball into our base (if the game get to that point anyway) well i can say that i didn`t find a breach yet =/

edit: and sadly i`m not having the time to play right now =~~~

Well, we do have drops to delay :/ problem is warpin is really good, you can't just send a few units you have to send a bunch. On the plus side, zerg tends to win baseraces so it's generally a bad idea to keep pushing.. also probes take longer to rebuild than drones, so the economic damage zerg takes can be healed faster.

Anyhow, yeah, getting those bases up is a challenge - but if we can find a way, I feel like the lategame aspect of the matchup will become less severely tilted towards protoss.
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
Potonho
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil42 Posts
April 14 2011 19:24 GMT
#7656
On April 15 2011 04:16 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 04:09 Potonho wrote:
On April 15 2011 03:40 starsucks wrote:
He is. Got in really late in but he is.

Mass infestor: I don't really see this working. Mass infestor might be good against mass blink stalker, althought roach with a modest number of infestors does the job just as well. But in a fight against a death ball infestors just die too fast because of the huge colossus range and the averagely high range of the ball overall including the units that do bonus damage against armored (stalker, voidray). A single fungal is just not gamechangig enough compared to a storm to use infestors as a one hitter especially since the toss units are relatively bulky and have high hp and shields. A storm forces a whole zerg army to retreat, stop fighting. A fungal just hasn't the same potential. Why is the infestor even armored he should be psionic biological?



that`s exactly my thought we zerg don`t have nothing to force/halt a deathball into our base (if the game get to that point anyway) well i can say that i didn`t find a breach yet =/

edit: and sadly i`m not having the time to play right now =~~~

Well, we do have drops to delay :/ problem is warpin is really good, you can't just send a few units you have to send a bunch. On the plus side, zerg tends to win baseraces so it's generally a bad idea to keep pushing.. also probes take longer to rebuild than drones, so the economic damage zerg takes can be healed faster.

Anyhow, yeah, getting those bases up is a challenge - but if we can find a way, I feel like the lategame aspect of the matchup will become less severely tilted towards protoss.


there is two major points in my view the expos and the harass, harass still possible but the overlord is really weak and for all push/harass we have to make we must sacrife something that might hurt our defensive capabilities or our economics.

and about the bases the major problem i see is that each base is really far from each other in some maps so there is a lack of army stack when they are popping, the secret is to time all those things of course but it`s more prone to failure because of the multitask while protoss and terran don`t have to worry with most of those problem cause their unit spawn mechanics specially protoss...(just saying not whinning)
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Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
April 14 2011 19:26 GMT
#7657
On April 15 2011 03:18 SEANSYE wrote:
sorry, but it was the real IdrA account lol.... EGIdrA, with a hydra profile. I know how to check sc2ranks T_T.

There is like 10 EGIdra with Hydra portraits lol.
On topic - Go Idra!
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 19:31:09
April 14 2011 19:27 GMT
#7658
Wow just watching the NASL and saw OgsEnsnare v EGIncontrol, and saw something very reminiscent to Idra v MC game 1

+ Show Spoiler +
Ensnare is 190 Supply Incontrol is 120 Ensnare goes to pressure and trade some of his army, gets force field trapped + Protoss'd Incontrol ends up at 200/200 and just rolls OgsEnsnare

Ensnare shouldn't allow EGIncontrol to reach 200/200 but he tried pressuring the front and dropping 2 spots at once. He got smoked at all 3 angles. The same happens to Zerg when we try to stop them 200/200 turtling, except we don't have as effective drop options.


Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
Potonho
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil42 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 19:33:54
April 14 2011 19:33 GMT
#7659
On April 15 2011 04:27 Denzil wrote:
Wow just watching the NASL and saw OgsEnsnare v EGIncontrol, and saw something very reminiscent to Idra v MC game 1

+ Show Spoiler +
Ensnare is 190 Supply Incontrol is 120 Ensnare goes to pressure and trade some of his army, gets force field trapped + Protoss'd Incontrol ends up at 200/200 and just rolls OgsEnsnare





+ Show Spoiler +
yeah i watched yesterday... i agree that the 200/200 protoss army is simple a steamroll =p but esnare got a really bad position and the colossi got a good cover from the phoenixs. there is alot of points to see there he waited for incontrol to get 200/200 and maxed a really nasty bioball
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KvltMan
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 19:36:53
April 14 2011 19:35 GMT
#7660
Live on NA.
http://www.justin.tv/eg_idra#/w/1082629824
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