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Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
March 28 2011 19:45 GMT
#5921
Isn't it weird that IdrA never posted in his own fanclub yet?
ratMortar
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada282 Posts
March 28 2011 19:53 GMT
#5922
On March 29 2011 04:45 Whole wrote:
Isn't it weird that IdrA never posted in his own fanclub yet?


He reads the posts on his stream sometimes, but it's not like anyone's given him a reason to reply. Scan the 280 pages of this thread and you'll see a lot of bad posts. Hell, I'm pretty sure I'm guilty of a few.

I'm sure if there was a discussion worth his attention, he'd answer.

Junichi
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1056 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-28 20:00:01
March 28 2011 19:59 GMT
#5923
What ratMortar said, plus in a lot of interview he gives thanks to his fans at the end. Do they (read we) really matter to him? Who knows.. I'm still a fan of his play and the way he fights for what he thinks is the proper way to play the game.
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
Kralle333
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark301 Posts
March 28 2011 20:08 GMT
#5924
On March 28 2011 23:12 freetgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 22:09 DoubleReed wrote:
I mean in game 1 he made like 20 corruptors or something and STILL wasn't able to kill the void rays and colossus. The deathball just seemed unstoppable. I don't even think it was maxed.


20 Corrupters are not enough, Corrupters get countered by Voidrays so much since they do way more damage, what Idra should have done is to focus the colossus and remax with hydras.
Mutalisk/Hydra most likely would have fared way alot better than Corrupter/roach/Hydra

Hydras destroy Voidrays so cost effectively that it gets ugly.
in the end he just waited to long and didn't put his economic advantage into a tactical advantage as Game 2 proved.


I dont understand why people dont use mutas. Cheaper in gas, isnt countered by voidrays, isn't countered by stalkers directly and can hit colossus.
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Tschis
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil1511 Posts
March 28 2011 20:09 GMT
#5925
I'm a big fan of IdrA, I've read people saying he reads the fanclub on stream, but he never posts anything here.

It doesn't need to be a reply, it could just be some info, just like he does on his twitter. But then again, why would he post it here if he's posting on twitter... It's all very confusing.

But sometimes I don't know if at the end of the interviews, when thanks the fans, he really means it, or just says it...

I hope he means it, I mean... he's like an example of perseverance, patience and hard work..

//tx
"A coward is not someone that runs from a battle knowing he will lose. A coward is someone who challenges a weak knowing he will win."
Clontarf
Profile Joined June 2010
8 Posts
March 28 2011 20:26 GMT
#5926
Every interview he talks about how much he enjoys tournaments in NA and Europe because of the interaction he has with fans. He also seems to be pretty smart and I think he values/understands the importance of fans with this whole esports deal. I think its a little odd to questions his appreciation of fans.

I also think its kind of weird when a pro posts in their own fan club.

I'll be a fan as long as he keeps having the occasional game like game 2 in TSL. I'll remember that series because of that game not the end result.
Betsfrox
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Venezuela248 Posts
March 28 2011 20:39 GMT
#5927
men IdrA is in the same group with zenio, drewbie, tyler, sen, socke i the NASL that is gonna be the best group of all, now only needs morrow to get better yet
pak150
Profile Joined September 2010
United States531 Posts
March 28 2011 20:41 GMT
#5928
On March 29 2011 05:08 Kralle333 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 23:12 freetgy wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:09 DoubleReed wrote:
I mean in game 1 he made like 20 corruptors or something and STILL wasn't able to kill the void rays and colossus. The deathball just seemed unstoppable. I don't even think it was maxed.


20 Corrupters are not enough, Corrupters get countered by Voidrays so much since they do way more damage, what Idra should have done is to focus the colossus and remax with hydras.
Mutalisk/Hydra most likely would have fared way alot better than Corrupter/roach/Hydra

Hydras destroy Voidrays so cost effectively that it gets ugly.
in the end he just waited to long and didn't put his economic advantage into a tactical advantage as Game 2 proved.


I dont understand why people dont use mutas. Cheaper in gas, isnt countered by voidrays, isn't countered by stalkers directly and can hit colossus.


Doesn't guardian shield substantially lower muta damage?
Stamper
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany148 Posts
March 28 2011 20:55 GMT
#5929
If that match would have taken place on the new Shakuras it would have probably ended in a 2:0 walkover. The old version however is... not the best for ZvP. BTW props to Blizz for fixing that map.
HyperLink
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada172 Posts
March 28 2011 20:56 GMT
#5930
On March 29 2011 05:08 Kralle333 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 23:12 freetgy wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:09 DoubleReed wrote:
I mean in game 1 he made like 20 corruptors or something and STILL wasn't able to kill the void rays and colossus. The deathball just seemed unstoppable. I don't even think it was maxed.


20 Corrupters are not enough, Corrupters get countered by Voidrays so much since they do way more damage, what Idra should have done is to focus the colossus and remax with hydras.
Mutalisk/Hydra most likely would have fared way alot better than Corrupter/roach/Hydra

Hydras destroy Voidrays so cost effectively that it gets ugly.
in the end he just waited to long and didn't put his economic advantage into a tactical advantage as Game 2 proved.


I dont understand why people dont use mutas. Cheaper in gas, isnt countered by voidrays, isn't countered by stalkers directly and can hit colossus.


Huh?

Mutas are 100/100, Corruptors are 150/100... same gas.

Not to mention Corruptor has base 14 damage with +6 to massive (re: Colossus). Mutalisk does 9/3/1 respectively.

Corruptor is 200 health, mutalisk is 120... If a stalker does 10(4) it takes (with no regen) 12 shots to kill a Mutalisk and 14.2 to kill a Corruptor. Mutalisks will kill a collosus slower, die faster and generally aren't useful in a straight up fight...

Corruptors also can be morphed into Broodlords which make them infinitely more useful late game to break a Protoss turtle since you'll be chased by blink stalkers all day if you go Mutalisk. Corruptors can also cast spells to increase their damage output while mutas can not... etc.
A woman is a lot like a refrigerator. 6 feet tall, 300 pounds... it makes ice.
sikyon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1045 Posts
March 28 2011 20:57 GMT
#5931
On March 29 2011 05:41 pak150 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 05:08 Kralle333 wrote:
On March 28 2011 23:12 freetgy wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:09 DoubleReed wrote:
I mean in game 1 he made like 20 corruptors or something and STILL wasn't able to kill the void rays and colossus. The deathball just seemed unstoppable. I don't even think it was maxed.


20 Corrupters are not enough, Corrupters get countered by Voidrays so much since they do way more damage, what Idra should have done is to focus the colossus and remax with hydras.
Mutalisk/Hydra most likely would have fared way alot better than Corrupter/roach/Hydra

Hydras destroy Voidrays so cost effectively that it gets ugly.
in the end he just waited to long and didn't put his economic advantage into a tactical advantage as Game 2 proved.


I dont understand why people dont use mutas. Cheaper in gas, isnt countered by voidrays, isn't countered by stalkers directly and can hit colossus.


Doesn't guardian shield substantially lower muta damage?


Yes it does. Stalkers with blink do counter mutas and with double stargate toss can hold on long enough to pump pheonix.

What I would have done was focused collossi down with 8-10 corruptors and the rest of the army is hydras.

Why even build roaches? They are bad to max with and hydras do better against everything else in the deathball except collossi anyways.
Tschis
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil1511 Posts
March 28 2011 20:59 GMT
#5932
On March 29 2011 05:41 pak150 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 05:08 Kralle333 wrote:
On March 28 2011 23:12 freetgy wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:09 DoubleReed wrote:
I mean in game 1 he made like 20 corruptors or something and STILL wasn't able to kill the void rays and colossus. The deathball just seemed unstoppable. I don't even think it was maxed.


20 Corrupters are not enough, Corrupters get countered by Voidrays so much since they do way more damage, what Idra should have done is to focus the colossus and remax with hydras.
Mutalisk/Hydra most likely would have fared way alot better than Corrupter/roach/Hydra

Hydras destroy Voidrays so cost effectively that it gets ugly.
in the end he just waited to long and didn't put his economic advantage into a tactical advantage as Game 2 proved.


I dont understand why people dont use mutas. Cheaper in gas, isnt countered by voidrays, isn't countered by stalkers directly and can hit colossus.


Doesn't guardian shield substantially lower muta damage?


I think there were too many stalkers there, mutas would melt pretty quickly, and with guardian shield their damage would be really low (though they damage multiple targets)

I don't know how he could have stoped that death ball...

//tx
"A coward is not someone that runs from a battle knowing he will lose. A coward is someone who challenges a weak knowing he will win."
ImHuko
Profile Joined December 2010
United States996 Posts
March 28 2011 21:06 GMT
#5933
When I watched Game 1 VOD all I could think was Artosis saying something like "I stopped doing this build on ladder because it is impossible to lose"
sc2pal
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland624 Posts
March 28 2011 21:25 GMT
#5934


(...)
Why even build roaches? They are bad to max with and hydras do better against everything else in the deathball except collossi anyways.


Because the roach is better as a tanky unit and its easy spamable. U will never get pure hydra army cuz u wont ever have that much gas so u can just fill it with roaches which are cheaper.
Mintastic
Profile Joined October 2010
United States166 Posts
March 28 2011 21:45 GMT
#5935
So had Idra made any statement on whether the new infestor is any good vs that max supply Deathball play in game1 TSL3?
테징징
.Sic.
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)497 Posts
March 28 2011 21:50 GMT
#5936
idra is a far better player than cruncher, see game 2.
end of discussion.
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diverzee
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden992 Posts
March 28 2011 21:51 GMT
#5937
Love your awesome play, Idra. Hang in there, eventually the overpowered protoss will get their well deserved nerf and deservedly learn what it's like not to play with a severe advantage anymore.
Parting
Jotoco
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1342 Posts
March 28 2011 21:53 GMT
#5938
On March 29 2011 05:59 Tschis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 05:41 pak150 wrote:
On March 29 2011 05:08 Kralle333 wrote:
On March 28 2011 23:12 freetgy wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:09 DoubleReed wrote:
I mean in game 1 he made like 20 corruptors or something and STILL wasn't able to kill the void rays and colossus. The deathball just seemed unstoppable. I don't even think it was maxed.


20 Corrupters are not enough, Corrupters get countered by Voidrays so much since they do way more damage, what Idra should have done is to focus the colossus and remax with hydras.
Mutalisk/Hydra most likely would have fared way alot better than Corrupter/roach/Hydra

Hydras destroy Voidrays so cost effectively that it gets ugly.
in the end he just waited to long and didn't put his economic advantage into a tactical advantage as Game 2 proved.


I dont understand why people dont use mutas. Cheaper in gas, isnt countered by voidrays, isn't countered by stalkers directly and can hit colossus.


Doesn't guardian shield substantially lower muta damage?


I think there were too many stalkers there, mutas would melt pretty quickly, and with guardian shield their damage would be really low (though they damage multiple targets)

I don't know how he could have stoped that death ball...

//tx


In my experience (lowly plat/gold leagues) Mutas absolutely demolish VR/Colo. Use Mutas + Pure speedlings with upgrades. I prefer going armor ups, since most units that hit air do several low damage hits.

Of course it may not translate to Idra's pro level, but I think it is better than corruptors. Specially since it is easier to snipe any VR/Colo that walks too far from the stalkers.
Tschis
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil1511 Posts
March 28 2011 22:07 GMT
#5939
On March 29 2011 06:53 Jotoco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 05:59 Tschis wrote:
On March 29 2011 05:41 pak150 wrote:
On March 29 2011 05:08 Kralle333 wrote:
On March 28 2011 23:12 freetgy wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:09 DoubleReed wrote:
I mean in game 1 he made like 20 corruptors or something and STILL wasn't able to kill the void rays and colossus. The deathball just seemed unstoppable. I don't even think it was maxed.


20 Corrupters are not enough, Corrupters get countered by Voidrays so much since they do way more damage, what Idra should have done is to focus the colossus and remax with hydras.
Mutalisk/Hydra most likely would have fared way alot better than Corrupter/roach/Hydra

Hydras destroy Voidrays so cost effectively that it gets ugly.
in the end he just waited to long and didn't put his economic advantage into a tactical advantage as Game 2 proved.


I dont understand why people dont use mutas. Cheaper in gas, isnt countered by voidrays, isn't countered by stalkers directly and can hit colossus.


Doesn't guardian shield substantially lower muta damage?


I think there were too many stalkers there, mutas would melt pretty quickly, and with guardian shield their damage would be really low (though they damage multiple targets)

I don't know how he could have stoped that death ball...

//tx


In my experience (lowly plat/gold leagues) Mutas absolutely demolish VR/Colo. Use Mutas + Pure speedlings with upgrades. I prefer going armor ups, since most units that hit air do several low damage hits.

Of course it may not translate to Idra's pro level, but I think it is better than corruptors. Specially since it is easier to snipe any VR/Colo that walks too far from the stalkers.


Except that the colossus would melt half of the lings before they could hit anything, and the Stalkers with VR would melt the Mutas before they could kill the colossus.

//tx
"A coward is not someone that runs from a battle knowing he will lose. A coward is someone who challenges a weak knowing he will win."
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 28 2011 22:25 GMT
#5940
On March 29 2011 05:59 Tschis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 05:41 pak150 wrote:
On March 29 2011 05:08 Kralle333 wrote:
On March 28 2011 23:12 freetgy wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:09 DoubleReed wrote:
I mean in game 1 he made like 20 corruptors or something and STILL wasn't able to kill the void rays and colossus. The deathball just seemed unstoppable. I don't even think it was maxed.


20 Corrupters are not enough, Corrupters get countered by Voidrays so much since they do way more damage, what Idra should have done is to focus the colossus and remax with hydras.
Mutalisk/Hydra most likely would have fared way alot better than Corrupter/roach/Hydra

Hydras destroy Voidrays so cost effectively that it gets ugly.
in the end he just waited to long and didn't put his economic advantage into a tactical advantage as Game 2 proved.


I dont understand why people dont use mutas. Cheaper in gas, isnt countered by voidrays, isn't countered by stalkers directly and can hit colossus.


Doesn't guardian shield substantially lower muta damage?


I think there were too many stalkers there, mutas would melt pretty quickly, and with guardian shield their damage would be really low (though they damage multiple targets)

I don't know how he could have stoped that death ball...

//tx

This is good post to reply to =)

The "counter"(it doesn't really have one) to that ball in my experience is to:
1. get a huge economic lead
2. lower drone and Queen count significantly to around 55-60 drones / 3-4 Queens as you get maxed and your main and nat begin to dry
3. Make a million billion Corruptors
4. Suicide the Corruptors in as far away from your base as possible, focusing on their Colossi before the Voidrays
5. Remax with Hydras and kill him while his Colossus numbers are low


This is the best thing I've found but it still requires a lot of precision. Lategame muta switch actually is amazing against this as well, you can harrass really nicely with them and they aren't even terrible in a straight-up fight.
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