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Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
May 21 2013 14:41 GMT
#56881
On May 21 2013 22:43 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 22:37 skylarr wrote:
On May 21 2013 22:32 Pandemona wrote:
On May 21 2013 22:30 Topdoller wrote:
What Idra is unhappy about is he sees top player such Koreans with amazing mechanics getting beat by players who are basically ladders scrubs. This could never happen in Broodwar a ladder scrub wouldn't even take a single game of the likes of JD and Bisu.

Broodwar was a game of mechanics, SC2 is game of pure luck.


Yeah this is what i do, it's exactly the way i think. I just choose not to respond to it as i know that SC2 is a game where cheese pays off to such huge value, the likes of "ladder scrub x" can take games/series off top pros.

Dont forget sc2 is relatively young. When the game becomes established like bw I think ladder scrubs won't win as much anymore


I very much hope so >.<
I do see a slight shift in this in terms of the KESPA pro's after the what just coming up to 1 year of practice on SC2 are now (imo) the players to beat in any tournament they enter now. Top 3 players of each race for me are 3 KESPA players right now. I do hope they continue to dominate

Why would anyone hope this? You do realize that if the skill gap continues to grow, there is a high chance of the scene dying outside KR just like it did in BW?
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
May 21 2013 14:52 GMT
#56882
On May 21 2013 23:41 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 22:43 Pandemona wrote:
On May 21 2013 22:37 skylarr wrote:
On May 21 2013 22:32 Pandemona wrote:
On May 21 2013 22:30 Topdoller wrote:
What Idra is unhappy about is he sees top player such Koreans with amazing mechanics getting beat by players who are basically ladders scrubs. This could never happen in Broodwar a ladder scrub wouldn't even take a single game of the likes of JD and Bisu.

Broodwar was a game of mechanics, SC2 is game of pure luck.


Yeah this is what i do, it's exactly the way i think. I just choose not to respond to it as i know that SC2 is a game where cheese pays off to such huge value, the likes of "ladder scrub x" can take games/series off top pros.

Dont forget sc2 is relatively young. When the game becomes established like bw I think ladder scrubs won't win as much anymore


I very much hope so >.<
I do see a slight shift in this in terms of the KESPA pro's after the what just coming up to 1 year of practice on SC2 are now (imo) the players to beat in any tournament they enter now. Top 3 players of each race for me are 3 KESPA players right now. I do hope they continue to dominate

Why would anyone hope this? You do realize that if the skill gap continues to grow, there is a high chance of the scene dying outside KR just like it did in BW?

thats imppossible the scene is too saturated outside Korea especially with BWC
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
May 21 2013 15:34 GMT
#56883
On May 21 2013 22:30 Topdoller wrote:
What Idra is unhappy about is he sees top player such Koreans with amazing mechanics getting beat by players who are basically ladders scrubs. This could never happen in Broodwar a ladder scrub wouldn't even take a single game of the likes of JD and Bisu.

Broodwar was a game of mechanics, SC2 is game of pure luck.

User was temp banned for this post.


No BW player ever exceeded a 75% WR (for long).
Which means everyone, Flash, JD etc... always had more than 1 game lost for 3 wins.
In other words they weren't any BW gods, only successful players hyped to death.

Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
May 21 2013 16:03 GMT
#56884
People are so boring..

Sc2 is from 2010.. we are now following and playing this game for 3 years and people still bring up BW?

It's free to play.. why don't you play it? Why doesn't he play it? Why are you still watching and following the SC2 scene if it's so cheesy, rewards bad play and only the koreans know how to do it?

Fuck why is there basketball outside the nba? Any football tournament besides World cup, champions league and Premier league? Any tennis tournament besides the big four.. etc. etc..

People like competition and everybodys follows what they like and admire.. if you think this sucks, just leave it !
BENFICA || Besties: idra, Stephano, Nestea, Jaedong, Serral, Jinro, Scarlett || Zerg <3
skylarr
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada209 Posts
May 21 2013 16:17 GMT
#56885
On May 22 2013 00:34 SiroKO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 22:30 Topdoller wrote:
What Idra is unhappy about is he sees top player such Koreans with amazing mechanics getting beat by players who are basically ladders scrubs. This could never happen in Broodwar a ladder scrub wouldn't even take a single game of the likes of JD and Bisu.

Broodwar was a game of mechanics, SC2 is game of pure luck.

User was temp banned for this post.


No BW player ever exceeded a 75% WR (for long).
Which means everyone, Flash, JD etc... always had more than 1 game lost for 3 wins.
In other words they weren't any BW gods, only successful players hyped to death.


are you dumb? There was a period were flash was literally unbeatable no exaggeration. But like everybody in sc scene, they fall off slightly from their peak form
zJayy962
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1363 Posts
May 21 2013 16:51 GMT
#56886
On May 22 2013 00:34 SiroKO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 22:30 Topdoller wrote:
What Idra is unhappy about is he sees top player such Koreans with amazing mechanics getting beat by players who are basically ladders scrubs. This could never happen in Broodwar a ladder scrub wouldn't even take a single game of the likes of JD and Bisu.

Broodwar was a game of mechanics, SC2 is game of pure luck.

User was temp banned for this post.


No BW player ever exceeded a 75% WR (for long).
Which means everyone, Flash, JD etc... always had more than 1 game lost for 3 wins.
In other words they weren't any BW gods, only successful players hyped to death.


Honestly you are just ignorant. If you knew anything about the scene you wouldn't make these retarded statements. Top players back then had a FUCKING SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT WR. Don't de-hype that.

What that means is in a BO5, it is ridiculously hard to beat them. Yes they'd drop 1 in 4 games, but that doesnt matter in a BO3, BO5, or the more popular for finals BO7. The longer the series the harder it was to beat them. If you look at the series winrates for top players, it became higher than their chance to win per game.

sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
May 21 2013 18:10 GMT
#56887
On May 22 2013 00:34 SiroKO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 22:30 Topdoller wrote:
What Idra is unhappy about is he sees top player such Koreans with amazing mechanics getting beat by players who are basically ladders scrubs. This could never happen in Broodwar a ladder scrub wouldn't even take a single game of the likes of JD and Bisu.

Broodwar was a game of mechanics, SC2 is game of pure luck.

User was temp banned for this post.


No BW player ever exceeded a 75% WR (for long).
Which means everyone, Flash, JD etc... always had more than 1 game lost for 3 wins.
In other words they weren't any BW gods, only successful players hyped to death.


Flash holds the longest winning streak for both TvT (22 wins) and TvP (13 wins) in rated KeSPA matches
Flash had a 12 game win streak in TvZ games, spanning from the start of Round 1 of the 09-10 Proleague until partway through Round 2. His streak was broken by Hyun in a Proleague match between MBCGame HERO and KT Rolster.

Lee Jae Dong has a first record on the longest winning streak in the MSL — 11 wins, he got into the finals without a singel lose!!!
Lee Jae Dong was very strong on Katrina going a combined 19–3 across all versions of the map with all 3 losses coming at the hands of Lee Yong Ho (Flash).

over hyped?
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
TheJewFro1994
Profile Joined April 2013
United States5 Posts
May 21 2013 18:17 GMT
#56888
The IdrA fanclub is full of debates over Korean dominance O.o
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 18:27:59
May 21 2013 18:25 GMT
#56889
On May 22 2013 01:51 zJayy962 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 00:34 SiroKO wrote:
On May 21 2013 22:30 Topdoller wrote:
What Idra is unhappy about is he sees top player such Koreans with amazing mechanics getting beat by players who are basically ladders scrubs. This could never happen in Broodwar a ladder scrub wouldn't even take a single game of the likes of JD and Bisu.

Broodwar was a game of mechanics, SC2 is game of pure luck.

User was temp banned for this post.


No BW player ever exceeded a 75% WR (for long).
Which means everyone, Flash, JD etc... always had more than 1 game lost for 3 wins.
In other words they weren't any BW gods, only successful players hyped to death.


Honestly you are just ignorant. If you knew anything about the scene you wouldn't make these retarded statements. Top players back then had a FUCKING SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT WR. Don't de-hype that.

What that means is in a BO5, it is ridiculously hard to beat them. Yes they'd drop 1 in 4 games, but that doesnt matter in a BO3, BO5, or the more popular for finals BO7. The longer the series the harder it was to beat them. If you look at the series winrates for top players, it became higher than their chance to win per game.



Actually, no. Top players back then didn't have a "fucking seventy five percent war".
JD never exceeded 70%, Bisu hit 74% one year but he was at 63% the one's before, which is less than 2 games win per game lost.
Only Flash hit 75% 3 consecutive years (2009-2012).
Besides, basic probability is the reason why the longer the serie is, the less likely it is for a lesser player to beat someone's better. It has nothing to do with any BW particularism.

My point isn't that these players weren't (among) the best players in the last era of Starcraft 1,
l'm merely pointing out the facts, the amount of games they lost, which seem to indicate that they weren't über-god cheese proofed that wouldn't lose a single game and whose dominance would be miles above the ones of MVP, Nestea, MC, Rain, Life, and now maybe Innovation and Flash once again.
Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
AKomrade
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States582 Posts
May 21 2013 18:35 GMT
#56890
On May 22 2013 03:25 SiroKO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 01:51 zJayy962 wrote:
On May 22 2013 00:34 SiroKO wrote:
On May 21 2013 22:30 Topdoller wrote:
What Idra is unhappy about is he sees top player such Koreans with amazing mechanics getting beat by players who are basically ladders scrubs. This could never happen in Broodwar a ladder scrub wouldn't even take a single game of the likes of JD and Bisu.

Broodwar was a game of mechanics, SC2 is game of pure luck.

User was temp banned for this post.


No BW player ever exceeded a 75% WR (for long).
Which means everyone, Flash, JD etc... always had more than 1 game lost for 3 wins.
In other words they weren't any BW gods, only successful players hyped to death.


Honestly you are just ignorant. If you knew anything about the scene you wouldn't make these retarded statements. Top players back then had a FUCKING SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT WR. Don't de-hype that.

What that means is in a BO5, it is ridiculously hard to beat them. Yes they'd drop 1 in 4 games, but that doesnt matter in a BO3, BO5, or the more popular for finals BO7. The longer the series the harder it was to beat them. If you look at the series winrates for top players, it became higher than their chance to win per game.



Actually, no. Top players back then didn't have a "fucking seventy five percent war".
JD never exceeded 70%, Bisu hit 74% one year but he was at 63% the one's before, which is less than 2 games win per game lost.
Only Flash hit 75% 3 consecutive years (2009-2012).
Besides, basic probability is the reason why the longer the serie is, the less likely it is for a lesser player to beat someone's better. It has nothing to do with any BW particularism.

My point isn't that these players weren't (among) the best players in the last era of Starcraft 1,
l'm merely pointing out the facts, the amount of games they lost, which seem to indicate that they weren't über-god cheese proofed that wouldn't lose a single game and whose dominance would be miles above the ones of MVP, Nestea, MC, Rain, Life, and now maybe Innovation and Flash once again.

70-75% w/r in OSL/MSL/Proleague, not in practice, not against scrubs on Iccup or w/e, but against proven, talented professional players.
ALL HAIL THE KING IN THE NORTH! HAIL! HAIL!
Fortii
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany760 Posts
May 21 2013 18:45 GMT
#56891
idra is awesome.
we need more idra in here... i suppose..
IdrA!
skylarr
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada209 Posts
May 21 2013 18:45 GMT
#56892
On May 22 2013 03:25 SiroKO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 01:51 zJayy962 wrote:
On May 22 2013 00:34 SiroKO wrote:
On May 21 2013 22:30 Topdoller wrote:
What Idra is unhappy about is he sees top player such Koreans with amazing mechanics getting beat by players who are basically ladders scrubs. This could never happen in Broodwar a ladder scrub wouldn't even take a single game of the likes of JD and Bisu.

Broodwar was a game of mechanics, SC2 is game of pure luck.

User was temp banned for this post.


No BW player ever exceeded a 75% WR (for long).
Which means everyone, Flash, JD etc... always had more than 1 game lost for 3 wins.
In other words they weren't any BW gods, only successful players hyped to death.


Honestly you are just ignorant. If you knew anything about the scene you wouldn't make these retarded statements. Top players back then had a FUCKING SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT WR. Don't de-hype that.

What that means is in a BO5, it is ridiculously hard to beat them. Yes they'd drop 1 in 4 games, but that doesnt matter in a BO3, BO5, or the more popular for finals BO7. The longer the series the harder it was to beat them. If you look at the series winrates for top players, it became higher than their chance to win per game.



Actually, no. Top players back then didn't have a "fucking seventy five percent war".
JD never exceeded 70%, Bisu hit 74% one year but he was at 63% the one's before, which is less than 2 games win per game lost.
Only Flash hit 75% 3 consecutive years (2009-2012).
Besides, basic probability is the reason why the longer the serie is, the less likely it is for a lesser player to beat someone's better. It has nothing to do with any BW particularism.

My point isn't that these players weren't (among) the best players in the last era of Starcraft 1,
l'm merely pointing out the facts, the amount of games they lost, which seem to indicate that they weren't über-god cheese proofed that wouldn't lose a single game and whose dominance would be miles above the ones of MVP, Nestea, MC, Rain, Life, and now maybe Innovation and Flash once again.

The percentages are in maps, not sets, in sets JD bisu and flash were basically 90%
Fortii
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany760 Posts
May 21 2013 18:47 GMT
#56893
is anyone else excited about what we may see next from our beloved idra?
IdrA!
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7736 Posts
May 21 2013 19:04 GMT
#56894
On May 22 2013 03:47 Fortii wrote:
is anyone else excited about what we may see next from our beloved idra?


I sure am! Hopefully he'll stream today ^^
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
May 21 2013 20:17 GMT
#56895
On May 22 2013 04:04 PoulsenB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 03:47 Fortii wrote:
is anyone else excited about what we may see next from our beloved idra?


I sure am! Hopefully he'll stream today ^^


You betya I am
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 20:46:03
May 21 2013 20:44 GMT
#56896
On May 22 2013 03:45 Fortii wrote:
idra is awesome.
we need more idra in here... i suppose..

On May 22 2013 03:47 Fortii wrote:
is anyone else excited about what we may see next from our beloved idra?

Lol, yup.
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Umuryum
Profile Joined February 2012
Turkey35 Posts
May 21 2013 21:12 GMT
#56897
On May 22 2013 00:34 SiroKO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 22:30 Topdoller wrote:
What Idra is unhappy about is he sees top player such Koreans with amazing mechanics getting beat by players who are basically ladders scrubs. This could never happen in Broodwar a ladder scrub wouldn't even take a single game of the likes of JD and Bisu.

Broodwar was a game of mechanics, SC2 is game of pure luck.

User was temp banned for this post.


No BW player ever exceeded a 75% WR (for long).
Which means everyone, Flash, JD etc... always had more than 1 game lost for 3 wins.
In other words they weren't any BW gods, only successful players hyped to death.



Have you ever became successful in anything competitive with 75% win rate?
Ordunda roach olmaya geldik, Idrajit seninle ölmeye geldik.
Fortii
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany760 Posts
May 21 2013 21:13 GMT
#56898
idra, if you read this, you need to start streaming earlier, 11pm CEST is too late. people need to get up early because of jobs and stuff
i want to watch you, and i want to do it live
IdrA!
1handsomE
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States199 Posts
May 21 2013 21:13 GMT
#56899
Higher skill ceiling != Better players.

This is a logical fallacy and a silly argument.
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Ameisenmann
Profile Joined April 2012
Albania296 Posts
May 21 2013 21:59 GMT
#56900
On May 22 2013 06:13 1handsomE wrote:
Higher skill ceiling != Better players.

This is a logical fallacy and a silly argument.

Yeah I don't think its necessarily about the skill ceiling, which is incredibly hard to reach in SC2 as well. The thing that people always argue about has more to do with how much influence randomness has on the game.
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