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Sqorpion
Denmark384 Posts
On April 29 2013 19:57 Embir wrote: What IdrA has to do with your father cancer? I'll answer for ya - absolutely nothing. It is not that his words of wishing someone cancer will magically cause it. You'd know if you were in his shoes. Still though, it's still wrong to email the sponsors. | ||
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Sedzz
Australia391 Posts
On April 29 2013 17:27 blade55555 wrote: To say there isn't really anything imbalanced in hots is so false lol especially when there are facts that there are some imbalances as of right now ^_^. According to facts and tournament results Terran is the weakest race currently. I feel there are certain things that are definitely strong no doubt, but nothing *imbalanced*. But I would like to hear your reasoning though, because no doubt because you are a far better player than I am :D | ||
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Fortii
Germany760 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 30 2013 00:52 Fortii wrote: i hope idra does some good ladder play in the next hours to get into shoutcraft *would be absolutely sad to not see idra in there* i wonder if he even knows it exists | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On April 30 2013 00:52 Fortii wrote: i hope idra does some good ladder play in the next hours to get into shoutcraft *would be absolutely sad to not see idra in there* He should be able to make it np, there's quite a few EU/KR players at the top of the NA ladder. But it still sucks that he can barely make the top 20 when he used the dominate NA ladder no problem. | ||
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Facultyadjutant
Sweden1876 Posts
On April 30 2013 00:25 Sedzz wrote: According to facts and tournament results Terran is the weakest race currently. I feel there are certain things that are definitely strong no doubt, but nothing *imbalanced*. But I would like to hear your reasoning though, because no doubt because you are a far better player than I am :D I don't get people who say things are imbalanced, especially zerg who as a reactive race is gona suffer the most after a change, of course zvx is gona look worse for a while, but then it goes back again. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 30 2013 01:06 Facultyadjutant wrote: I don't get people who say things are imbalanced, especially zerg who as a reactive race is gona suffer the most after a change, of course zvx is gona look worse for a while, but then it goes back again. just look at widow mines or early game reapers or MsC agression all of that is clearly imbalanced | ||
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Facultyadjutant
Sweden1876 Posts
On April 30 2013 01:08 Forikorder wrote: just look at widow mines or early game reapers or MsC agression all of that is clearly imbalanced I am sorry if I ruining the humor but I cannot tell if you are serious or not | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
I see zerg players adapting to early pressure better and better, for example reaper rushes seem really ineffective now unless the zerg took a risk and played super greedy. | ||
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Thrax
Canada1755 Posts
He knows about it, he commented about it on stream. Sorry, you can't use ignorance to justify his poor play on ladder. He gave props to TB and Genna for it and for having interesting ideas in general. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 30 2013 01:14 Bagi wrote: Yeah they are clearly imbalanced, too bad you couldn't be bothered to tell us how exactly. I see zerg players adapting to early pressure better and better, for example reaper rushes seem really ineffective now unless the zerg took a risk and played super greedy. early game reapers literally get to the Zerg before its possible for the Zerg to have anything to defend it, its not possible to defend reapers without losing drones because you need speedlings to do so and they dont come out soon enough Widow mines do way too much burst damage, are burrowed, easy to make and if you mess up engaging them then you lose half your army for free, and even if you know exactly where they are theres no way to remove them for free MsC allows the Protoss to be as agressive as he wants and never lose a thing its impossible for him to overextend he could literally walk across the map every time it has enough energy for a recall and never lose a single unit those 3 units require way too much from the Zerg to deal with compared to how much the other side needs to invest in them | ||
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Longtimer
490 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 30 2013 01:30 Longtimer wrote: The reaper build Zergs takes damage from is an 8/8/8 with a proxy rax, and that's a build that is quite all in-ish from the Terrans perspective. A good Zerg player should not lose drones to the standard reaper (12/12, 12/13 etc etc), and the Terran player is also delaying his expansion or tech to get the reaper out. no thats simply not true at all ive seen plenty of GSL games where the Terran jsut plays normally but with a gas first and makes reapers from a normal barracks every Zerg knows that if you scout terran gas first you have to get speedligns out asap and even if it does slow down there expansion its still always worth it | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On April 30 2013 01:26 Forikorder wrote: early game reapers literally get to the Zerg before its possible for the Zerg to have anything to defend it, its not possible to defend reapers without losing drones because you need speedlings to do so and they dont come out soon enough Widow mines do way too much burst damage, are burrowed, easy to make and if you mess up engaging them then you lose half your army for free, and even if you know exactly where they are theres no way to remove them for free MsC allows the Protoss to be as agressive as he wants and never lose a thing its impossible for him to overextend he could literally walk across the map every time it has enough energy for a recall and never lose a single unit those 3 units require way too much from the Zerg to deal with compared to how much the other side needs to invest in them Early game reapers are a tradeoff, the only way to get them before lings is to go 8/8/8 which in turn cuts into the terran economy, you have to deal a ton of damage to make it worth it. Even if you lose a couple of drones as zerg with a standard 12 rax reaper opener, who cares? The fact that terran put got an early gas and put it into reapers easily makes up for it, you can easily drone up behind it knowing that nothing will come your way anytime soon. If anything, reaper openers are getting LESS popular as zergs figure them out. Widow mines are a test of skill, watch Life or Sniper in the GSL to know how to be extremely cost effective against them. With time, zergs will only get better at it. If you want your random mid-level players to have an easy way around widow mines, tough luck I guess? If anything the matchup is much more fair now, the zerg needs to split against mines while the terran needs to split against banes, both demand a ton of skill and APM. The MsC I rarely even see as a crucial unit in tournament games. Sure there are cheeses that use it as an advantage, but overall it is a small advantage at best, and strategies very rarely revolve around it. | ||
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AnYvia
Bulgaria474 Posts
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Sqorpion
Denmark384 Posts
On April 30 2013 01:42 AnYvia wrote: As much as I like IdrA I really can't defend him when he complains about how imbalanced the game is. Even in the later stages of WoL when Zerg was destroying the scene he was still complaining about Protoss or Terran drops etc etc. How can you talk about balance when the race distribution is awesome - Zerg is even doing pretty good. By his logic Zerg players must be twice as smart as the other players because they win even when the game is imbalanced. I really hope IdrA can just chill and have meaningful practice sessions. Hope to see him at the top soon. I think IdrA meant aside from BL Infestor, because he never enjoyed it. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
http://drop.sc/329045 both of us opened standard, reapers got into my base before i could ahve had lings Widow mines are a test of skill, watch Life or Sniper in the GSL to know how to be extremely cost effective against them. With time, zergs will only get better at it. If you want your random mid-level players to have an easy way around widow mines, tough luck I guess? If anything the matchup is much more fair now, the zerg needs to split against mines while the terran needs to split against banes, both demand a ton of skill and APM. except the Terran knows there the banes are and has time to react while the Zerg doesnt know where the mines are and doesnt have time | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On April 30 2013 01:48 Forikorder wrote: except the Terran knows there the banes are and has time to react while the Zerg doesnt know where the mines are and doesnt have time When moving around on the map, keep an overseer on your army. When engaging the terran army and you have seen him go mines, assume there are mines everywhere. See, that wasn't so hard? | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 30 2013 01:56 Bagi wrote: When moving around on the map, keep an overseer on your army. When engaging the terran army and you have seen him go mines, assume there are mines everywhere. See, that wasn't so hard? not being able to engage his army for fear of mines isnt hard, thats correct but having to lose because you cant engage his army because you cant set off the mines because you dont know where they are because of his army is hard to swallow | ||
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Fortii
Germany760 Posts
idras bm/mentality fans shouldnt be fans balance of the game its really intriguing | ||
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