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On April 30 2013 01:57 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 01:56 Bagi wrote:On April 30 2013 01:48 Forikorder wrote:
except the Terran knows there the banes are and has time to react while the Zerg doesnt know where the mines are and doesnt have time When moving around on the map, keep an overseer on your army. When engaging the terran army and you have seen him go mines, assume there are mines everywhere. See, that wasn't so hard? not being able to engage his army for fear of mines isnt hard, thats correct but having to lose because you cant engage his army because you cant set off the mines because you dont know where they are because of his army is hard to swallow
Or you could do what Snute does and just set off mines with overlords. You can even damage his own units that way. I seriously dont find a point in discussing balance here. The game is quite balanced at the moment. Zergs are doing well. The fact that IdrA isnt does not mean that the game is imbalanced. End of story.
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On April 30 2013 01:48 Forikorder wrote:for those who say they have to all-in to get reapers before lings http://drop.sc/329045both of us opened standard, reapers got into my base before i could ahve had lings Show nested quote +Widow mines are a test of skill, watch Life or Sniper in the GSL to know how to be extremely cost effective against them. With time, zergs will only get better at it. If you want your random mid-level players to have an easy way around widow mines, tough luck I guess? If anything the matchup is much more fair now, the zerg needs to split against mines while the terran needs to split against banes, both demand a ton of skill and APM. except the Terran knows there the banes are and has time to react while the Zerg doesnt know where the mines are and doesnt have time
Not to be mean or anything, but just by looking at the first minutes of the game, you look kinda terrible. Your timings are way off, and you don't even start your first drone before 10 seconds has passed. You're timings are behind in every aspect, of fucking course his reaper is gonna come before you have anything
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On April 30 2013 01:48 Forikorder wrote:for those who say they have to all-in to get reapers before lings http://drop.sc/329045both of us opened standard, reapers got into my base before i could ahve had lings
So I watched your replay, and this is your proof of imbalance?
One reaper gets into your base before lings but doesn't kill a single drone before he has to back off? Is this a joke?
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On April 30 2013 01:26 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 01:14 Bagi wrote:
Yeah they are clearly imbalanced, too bad you couldn't be bothered to tell us how exactly.
I see zerg players adapting to early pressure better and better, for example reaper rushes seem really ineffective now unless the zerg took a risk and played super greedy. early game reapers literally get to the Zerg before its possible for the Zerg to have anything to defend it, its not possible to defend reapers without losing drones because you need speedlings to do so and they dont come out soon enough Widow mines do way too much burst damage, are burrowed, easy to make and if you mess up engaging them then you lose half your army for free, and even if you know exactly where they are theres no way to remove them for free MsC allows the Protoss to be as agressive as he wants and never lose a thing its impossible for him to overextend he could literally walk across the map every time it has enough energy for a recall and never lose a single unit those 3 units require way too much from the Zerg to deal with compared to how much the other side needs to invest in them
let's see, if you're talking about 8/8/8 reapers you're going to take damage from it, no matter what, the key is to not over make lings and don't rambo your drones into his reapers unless you know you can get a surround. sit and wait till you have a queen out, make a spine at the base his reapers are not, and run your drones around until then, with your initial 6-10 lings (DO NOT OVER MAKE THEM PLEASE) send some to his base, he cannot have a wall done in time unless he cut scv/reapers to fully 3 depot wall off, and keep some for running after the reaper. as long as you don't lose all of your drones, you are in a more than fine position, scout when you've held it, look for a 3cc follow up and ling bane all in or play it how you want depending on what you see.
standard 12/12 or 12/13, the amount terran can kill is entirely dependent on how good he is at micro, if you can micro your units well, you will pick off a few drones here or there, this really isn't an issue at all, so i'm not going to go in depth.
widow mines do a fuck ton of burst damage yeah, no one is denying that, but the fact that terrans rely so heavily on them can be used to your advantage. they are easy to set off and once they are on a cooldown the terran army has no splash. they are abuse able but also easy to abuse, use your brain, don't take engagements you know you won't win or funnel into widow mines, set them off with two to three lings, lings are pretty much expendable, let's be honest
as for the msc, know your timings and scout well, if he's moving out at this point in time which is a weird timing with a very small force you can almost be sure he's going to recall, to be fair I don't see many protoss' doing this at all because of how popular sg openings are, so i don't think it's a big deal in all honesty
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Feels like the last 1,500 pages have been pseudo-psychiatrists recommending Idra to take a break from the game, seek mindset help or swap race. I think it's time to stop and let him do his thing.
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dont forget the guys telling his fans they shouldnt be his fans
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On April 30 2013 02:11 Fortii wrote:
dont forget the guys telling his fans they shouldnt be his fans
Those are the fucking best lol. and those that take the moral high ground coming here after Idra BMd someone they like
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On April 30 2013 02:09 Resilient wrote:
Feels like the last 1,500 pages have been pseudo-psychiatrists recommending Idra to take a break from the game, seek mindset help or swap race. I think it's time to stop and let him do his thing.
He's been doing his thing. He doesn't listen to 99% of these people.
The problem is, most of his fans want to see him become one of the best SC2 players again, and "doing his thing" doesn't work when we're talking about being one of the best. He clearly needs to change some things, primarily his attitude towards improvement, if he wants to do that (instantly leaving games vs good terran players =/= improving, for example).
But he probably just doesn't care. He's making plenty of money just streaming and BMing people for fun, why change? Well, that's up to him and what his goals are for the rest of his career. One thing is certain though, if he keeps doing what he's currently doing, he will never be a top-tier player again.
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On April 30 2013 01:48 Forikorder wrote:for those who say they have to all-in to get reapers before lings http://drop.sc/329045both of us opened standard, reapers got into my base before i could ahve had lings Show nested quote +Widow mines are a test of skill, watch Life or Sniper in the GSL to know how to be extremely cost effective against them. With time, zergs will only get better at it. If you want your random mid-level players to have an easy way around widow mines, tough luck I guess? If anything the matchup is much more fair now, the zerg needs to split against mines while the terran needs to split against banes, both demand a ton of skill and APM. except the Terran knows there the banes are and has time to react while the Zerg doesnt know where the mines are and doesnt have time
seems like your just saying these things because you had a few bad loses on ladder and need a place to vent..
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On April 30 2013 02:09 Resilient wrote:
Feels like the last 1,500 pages have been pseudo-psychiatrists recommending Idra to take a break from the game, seek mindset help or swap race. I think it's time to stop and let him do his thing.
Lol, IdrA is so lucky to have so many psychiatrists and gold league players willing to give him free advice on pro gaming.
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It's just that time of the month 
I can't help hate myself to fall for it and get sucked in and start spewing idiocy myself time to time. This fanclub is like its own vortex of emotions.
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Can you at the very least link to the right match up when you insist on going with this..
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On April 30 2013 04:49 Aocowns wrote:Can you at the very least link to the right match up when you insist on going with this..
i dont know how to link to the specific set, but its the right vod its the 11th set if that helps
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So with this you hope to prove that if Last sacrifices a little economy, he hurts Life's economy by killing a couple drones. On top of that, Last even got lucky cus Life was maynarding his workers, making them more exposed. Really, if you micro well, you come out about even, I'd say it's actually hard for terran to make up for it if the zerg has good enough micro.
What can I say though, I only take this from what I heard about the game, so it may not be 100% correct in relation to this game.
But even so, you shouldn't be insisting on imbalance, judging by your replay you're pretty(EDIT: That's mean, relatively would be a better word) bad.
Calling it obnoxious as fuck is one thing, and I agree with that, but it's not as straight up imbalanced as you say it is
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I don't know if it's just me but I fail to identify any point you make in not only that, but every single other post made by you. Don't just post replays, you're not going to achieve anything with that.
In other news, Idra streaming woot
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On April 30 2013 05:02 Aocowns wrote:So with this you hope to prove that if Last sacrifices a little economy, he hurts Life's economy by killing a couple drones. On top of that, Last even got lucky cus Life was maynarding his workers, making them more exposed. Really, if you micro well, you come out about even, I'd say it's actually hard for terran to make up for it if the zerg has good enough micro.
right, so we should all jsut get better micro then life and we wont have to worry about reapers
What can I say though, I only take this from what I heard about the game, so it may not be 100% correct in relation to this game.
But even so, you shouldn't be insisting on imbalance, judging by your replay you're pretty(EDIT: That's mean, relatively would be a better word) bad.
i pretty much dont ladder at all any more (not becuase of imbalance) so i dont care if you call me bad im willing to take solace in alot of people in diamond being even worse
Calling it obnoxious as fuck is one thing, and I agree with that, but it's not as straight up imbalanced as you say it is[/QUOTE]
im not saying that there needs to be massive balance changes made, at pro level TvZ does seem to be somewhat balanced
but balancing pro level at the top 1% by screwing over everyone else is bad game design
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On April 30 2013 05:15 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 05:02 Aocowns wrote:So with this you hope to prove that if Last sacrifices a little economy, he hurts Life's economy by killing a couple drones. On top of that, Last even got lucky cus Life was maynarding his workers, making them more exposed. Really, if you micro well, you come out about even, I'd say it's actually hard for terran to make up for it if the zerg has good enough micro. right, so we should all jsut get better micro then life and we wont have to worry about reapers Show nested quote +What can I say though, I only take this from what I heard about the game, so it may not be 100% correct in relation to this game.
But even so, you shouldn't be insisting on imbalance, judging by your replay you're pretty(EDIT: That's mean, relatively would be a better word) bad. i pretty much dont ladder at all any more (not becuase of imbalance) so i dont care if you call me bad im willing to take solace in alot of people in diamond being even worse Show nested quote + Calling it obnoxious as fuck is one thing, and I agree with that, but it's not as straight up imbalanced as you say it is Show nested quote +im not saying that there needs to be massive balance changes made, at pro level TvZ does seem to be somewhat balanced but balancing pro level at the top 1% by screwing over everyone else is bad game design
No, get micro of the same god damn skill level of the terran microing against you, or you deserve to lose drones by the fact that he has better micro than you, no matter how good or bad that might be.
If you know you're bad then stop using your own replays as examples, geez
How are they screwing over everyone but the top 1%? Is there an abundant lack of zergs in high master on some of the servers? If there were, I'm sure there would be a thread about it.
none of the points you make can really be defended by anything but your own claims
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An article just came out on IdrA's Broodwar career on aceresport.com:
IdrA - The Long Road to Korea
Greg "IdrA" Fields is by far one of the most well-known names in all of non-Korean Starcraft. Showing increasingly more and more solid performances in minor tournaments through out 2005-2007, known for his overall mechanical prowess and for his uncompromisingly bad manner, his reputation within the Western Brood War scene had him firmly established as not only one of its strongest players, but one of its most infamous as well. With his play firmly in the upper echelon of Western Brood War, IdrA's sights were aimed at the East, towards the fabled land of South Korea, and at the end of 2007 he had received an invite to the firmly established eSTRO team through their online tournament eSTRO Superstars.
It was an opportunity that few had the pleasure of being presented with and the young terran player welcomed it with open arms, passing on his chance to study college-level physics. Brood War was his passion and his choice was made. Over time, he asserted absolute dominance over the non-Korean scene in online tournaments and the rare occasional live tournament like ESWC and WCG qualifiers. However, he was never able to succeed in the Korean scene to the same extent, often finding himself eliminated in the first rounds of OSL/MSL qualifiers. None-the-less, IdrA left a considerable mark on the non-Korean Starcraft scene, and in this article I hope to bring to light his BW career, which is very often described as lackluster.
Check it out, yo!
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Thread about this from the author: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410283
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