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On February 25 2013 04:08 Facultyadjutant wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 03:48 Hollow27 wrote:On February 25 2013 00:33 Desmoden wrote:
I have been a fan since the start of SCII. I always admired his injects, they were spot on. The last few times I caught his stream, his queens were swimming in energy. That was the case when he lost 6 times to Grubby as well. Is it because its "just ladder"? In the early stages of SC2, Zerg was much more swarm-esque, focusing on large numbers of low tier units, like Roach Hydra Corruptor as a standard comp. Now the metagame is higher tier, higher supply, higher gas units with better survivability as to focus on unit retention and effective trading (Infestor, Broodlord, Swarm Host, etc). Injects are no longer the most crucial thing past the ~15 minute mark, because players expand enough and build enough macro hatches they have enough larvae anyways. Let's not kid ourselves The days when idra wins is when his mouse is precise and his injects are swift The other days are when hes hovering 150 energy and dies with money in the bank
I guess our assessments are different, but whatever. I rarely see him lose to unspent resources, but rather sloppy and poorly timed engages that are ludicrously resource inefficient.
Example: the game that just happened vs puCK. His money was low, his injects were fine, he lost the fights. Decision making has always been his limiting factor. + Show Spoiler +That and protoss 
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Im going to go kill myself.............. IdrA just lost to #yoloswagimmortalsentryallin from pucK.....................
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On February 25 2013 04:50 Hollow27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 04:08 Facultyadjutant wrote:On February 25 2013 03:48 Hollow27 wrote:On February 25 2013 00:33 Desmoden wrote:
I have been a fan since the start of SCII. I always admired his injects, they were spot on. The last few times I caught his stream, his queens were swimming in energy. That was the case when he lost 6 times to Grubby as well. Is it because its "just ladder"? In the early stages of SC2, Zerg was much more swarm-esque, focusing on large numbers of low tier units, like Roach Hydra Corruptor as a standard comp. Now the metagame is higher tier, higher supply, higher gas units with better survivability as to focus on unit retention and effective trading (Infestor, Broodlord, Swarm Host, etc). Injects are no longer the most crucial thing past the ~15 minute mark, because players expand enough and build enough macro hatches they have enough larvae anyways. Let's not kid ourselves The days when idra wins is when his mouse is precise and his injects are swift The other days are when hes hovering 150 energy and dies with money in the bank I guess our assessments are different, but whatever. I rarely see him lose to unspent resources, but rather sloppy and poorly timed engages that are ludicrously resource inefficient. Example: the game that just happened vs puCK. His money was low, his injects were fine, he lost the fights. Decision making has always been his limiting factor. + Show Spoiler +That and protoss
LOL. How are you supposed to effectively engage protoss especially on a map like cloud kingdom? YOU CANT.... You just lose because sentrys are ez and immortals are gosu......
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On February 25 2013 04:50 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Idra is a pro player, why does he lose so often in ladder?
this might be the worst tryhard i've ever seen
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On February 25 2013 04:52 EmNGiantNome wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 04:50 Hollow27 wrote:On February 25 2013 04:08 Facultyadjutant wrote:On February 25 2013 03:48 Hollow27 wrote:On February 25 2013 00:33 Desmoden wrote:
I have been a fan since the start of SCII. I always admired his injects, they were spot on. The last few times I caught his stream, his queens were swimming in energy. That was the case when he lost 6 times to Grubby as well. Is it because its "just ladder"? In the early stages of SC2, Zerg was much more swarm-esque, focusing on large numbers of low tier units, like Roach Hydra Corruptor as a standard comp. Now the metagame is higher tier, higher supply, higher gas units with better survivability as to focus on unit retention and effective trading (Infestor, Broodlord, Swarm Host, etc). Injects are no longer the most crucial thing past the ~15 minute mark, because players expand enough and build enough macro hatches they have enough larvae anyways. Let's not kid ourselves The days when idra wins is when his mouse is precise and his injects are swift The other days are when hes hovering 150 energy and dies with money in the bank I guess our assessments are different, but whatever. I rarely see him lose to unspent resources, but rather sloppy and poorly timed engages that are ludicrously resource inefficient. Example: the game that just happened vs puCK. His money was low, his injects were fine, he lost the fights. Decision making has always been his limiting factor. + Show Spoiler +That and protoss LOL. How are you supposed to effectively engage protoss especially on a map like cloud kingdom? YOU CANT.... You just lose because sentrys are ez and immortals are gosu......
Hey, I don't disagree with that. It's stupidly difficult to engage that right. All I said was that IdrA's macro was not the cause of his loss(es).
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On a more positive note, if IdrA wins his match and goes to Dallas he might play against flash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would love to see that as the last time they faced they went 1-1 and it was online. Now we can see a true test of their skills!
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I am asking seriously. I have followed idra stream for long time, and he loses many times in ladder. Idra is a high level pro player, he should not lose that much in ladder because of the skill difference.
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On February 25 2013 05:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I am asking seriously. I have followed idra stream for long time, and he loses many times in ladder. Idra is a high level pro player, he should not lose that much in ladder because of the skill difference.
How can I respond to this without getting banned on TL. Your troll is bad and you should feel bad.
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On February 25 2013 05:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I am asking seriously. I have followed idra stream for long time, and he loses many times in ladder. Idra is a high level pro player, he should not lose that much in ladder because of the skill difference.
MAYBE because it's in imbalanced god damn beta with global play, which means every pro player playing hots is going to be playing him?
I actually pray you're trolling. The alternative would be really sad
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On February 25 2013 05:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I am asking seriously. I have followed idra stream for long time, and he loses many times in ladder. Idra is a high level pro player, he should not lose that much in ladder because of the skill difference.
He's not the only pro player on the ladder.
..I don't know why you need to be told that.
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That game against Puck was funny as hell... Sadly the mass void rays seems unbeatable.. I see now that Idra made a strong point about Void Rays being terrible hard to beat as zeg has no good counter against it, hell even Puck just admit it...
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On February 25 2013 05:12 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 05:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I am asking seriously. I have followed idra stream for long time, and he loses many times in ladder. Idra is a high level pro player, he should not lose that much in ladder because of the skill difference. MAYBE because it's in imbalanced god damn beta with global play, which means every pro player playing hots is going to be playing him? I actually pray you're trolling. The alternative would be really sad
Aocowns, he's not worth it. He's either a bad troll or he doesnt have the ability to understand anything. So why should we waste our time?
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1. he lost many times in his stream in WoL also
2. there is a lot other players than just pro players in ladder
3. many of idras losses are not just close games, many of those losses are total crushes
Why do you think this is trolling? It is a legitimate question, Idra is such a high caliber pro player, he should have better winrate in ladder against random opponents in ladder.
User was temp banned for this post.
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A lot of Zerg's are struggling late game in PvZ. Look at this interview of Byul and MC.
Zerg has been the underdog in Heart of the Swarm up to now. What do you personally think of this?
ByuL: After the Hellbat patch, things have become a bit more manageable, but it's still difficult to play in the late game. The late-game Protoss Void Ray-Tempest combination is too tough in particular. It's ridiculous.
As a Protoss user, what do you think about this?
MC: If a Protoss loses a PvZ after 20 minutes have passed, I think that he should give up the game. Even ByuL would have easily lost if his opponent had just gathered up an army. It was thanks to his opponent attacking before that that ByuL was able to win. The ZvP situation has been flipped around from what it was during Wings of Liberty.
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On February 25 2013 05:20 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
1. he lost many times in his stream in WoL also
2. there is a lot other players than just pro players in ladder
3. many of idras losses are not just close games, many of those losses are total crushes
Why do you think this is trolling? It is a legitimate question, Idra is such a high caliber pro player, he should have better winrate in ladder against random opponents in ladder.
YOUR ACTUALLY AN IDIOT................. Yes he should definately have a better win rate against random people i a completely broken beta where you only play best of 1's on maps that are made by a random guy sitting in blizzard hq that doesnt know anything about balance. Please lay down more of your great wisdom hidden behind retarded questions.
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On February 25 2013 05:22 EmNGiantNome wrote:
YOUR ACTUALLY AN IDIOT................. definately... i a...
Oh the irony.
Anyway, Idra plays Ddoro in the MLG Showdowns next week. He ought to win that easily, haven't seen anything of Ddoro since WCS Canada. But y'never know with Idra.
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On February 25 2013 05:26 Larkin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 05:22 EmNGiantNome wrote:
YOUR ACTUALLY AN IDIOT................. definately... i a... Oh the irony. Anyway, Idra plays Ddoro in the MLG Showdowns next week. He ought to win that easily, haven't seen anything of Ddoro since WCS Canada. But y'never know with Idra.
Idra said at ITG (I think) that he wont play against Ddoro. It will be another opponent which has not been announced by MLG yet but Idra knows who it is.
Sorry for my English ^^
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That last game with the mass void rays was very intense but also very painful to watch... Hydralisk dont do shit, corrupter/viper doesnt work... It was just A-move toss with storms that crushed idra's army so easily, even though idra pulled like 5/6 void rays with his vipers in the middle of his spore crawler wall he got out muscled so easily. I hope this gets fixed soon, i don't feel like there is a counter from Zerg against late game toss... (not even close)
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On February 25 2013 05:20 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
1. he lost many times in his stream in WoL also
2. there is a lot other players than just pro players in ladder
3. many of idras losses are not just close games, many of those losses are total crushes
Why do you think this is trolling? It is a legitimate question, Idra is such a high caliber pro player, he should have better winrate in ladder against random opponents in ladder.
User was temp banned for this post.
Its pretty easy to lose to someone a lot worse than you in SC2. Especially with the nature of ladder and all the randoms.
He doesnt know every single random players tendencies. You can bet they know his. Everyone has watched IdrA stream, knows how he plays, and he doesnt play under the anonymity of a barcode name. This gives randoms an inherit advantage against a famous player like IdrA.
Everybody knows IdrA is almost strictly a macro player and rarely goes for all ins. This gives random players a huge advantage when Idra doesnt know their playstyle. If you cant see this then you dont know StarCraft.
edit: typos
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no commentary today? you have the mic set up and everything XD
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