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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
I was, really idra? Really? You did not even scout it to make one crawler and you call yourself good? You had an all in at your door with a pylon set up and you did not even know it was coming until Grubby started to push in at your expand. After watching DRG and Stephano in HOTS I was blown away how bad idra plays and how stubborn he actually is. Also, it is never his fault for losing but the "fucking imbecile" opponent's fault for being op. | ||
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Lefaa
Finland313 Posts
On February 24 2013 23:08 ceaRshaf wrote: "This is what happens when bad players all in good players" - idra after finally holding an all in from Grubby. I was, really idra? Really? You did not even scout it to make one crawler and you call yourself good? You had an all in at your door with a pylon set up and you did not even know it was coming until Grubby started to push in at your expand. After watching DRG and Stephano in HOTS I was blown away how bad idra plays and how stubborn he actually is. Also, it is never his fault for losing but the "fucking imbecile" opponent's fault for being op. Its always nice to see new idra fans! Welcome to his fanclub bro. And i can understand that he is getting frustrated with all those all ins from grubby, cos idra is playing ladder for practice not for winning like grubby. And i think idra is legitimated to say grubby is bad, since grubby has lost every real game against him. | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On February 25 2013 00:07 Lefaa wrote: Its always nice to see new idra fans! Welcome to his fanclub bro. And i can understand that he is getting frustrated with all those all ins from grubby, cos idra is playing ladder for practice not for winning like grubby. And i think idra is legitimated to say grubby is bad, since grubby has lost every real game against him. Real game? haha. No attack 20min! Please tell me you kidding? | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On February 25 2013 00:26 Benjamin99 wrote: Real game? haha. No attack 20min! Please tell me you kidding? Please tell me you're not looking to start a retarded bitchfight in Idra's god damn fanclub | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On February 25 2013 00:28 Aocowns wrote: Please tell me you're not looking to start a retarded bitchfight in Idra's god damn fanclub Please take you chill pill. I see no bitch fight here I just wanted to know what a real game is. Calm down and stop swearing really no need to. | ||
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Lefaa
Finland313 Posts
On February 25 2013 00:26 Benjamin99 wrote: Real game? haha. No attack 20min! Please tell me you kidding? Obviously you havent seen the games, but i think those longer games determine your skill level much better than all ins. | ||
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Desmoden
Germany45 Posts
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Vinand
Netherlands159 Posts
On February 25 2013 00:26 Benjamin99 wrote: Real game? haha. No attack 20min! Please tell me you kidding? That's quite an ignorant statement. He is clearly talking about the games that "matter"... From the tournaments... Idra has always defeated Grubby with a clean sweap most of the time... I don't wanna take anything away from Grubby as he is also a great player... To be honest, al the games that Grubby won, where mostly 3 base/2 base all ins against Idra as that is clearly Idra's weakpoint against Protoss. And the games that Idra has won where mostly the macro/late style games, where Idra was in control of the game. They are both great players, I just don't like how the Grubby fanboys are suddenly in the fanclub of idra starting a bitchfight by bashing him. Know your place, and know how to behave. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On February 25 2013 00:31 Benjamin99 wrote: Please take you chill pill. I see no bitch fight here I just wanted to know what a real game is. Calm down and stop swearing really no need to. ya sorry, shit mood. My comment still stands though, absolutely no reason whatsoever to bring the retarded discussions from the twitch chat here | ||
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Lefaa
Finland313 Posts
On February 25 2013 00:33 Desmoden wrote: I have been a fan since the start of SCII. I always admired his injects, they were spot on. The last few times I caught his stream, his queens were swimming in energy. That was the case when he lost 6 times to Grubby as well. Is it because its "just ladder"? i think he has lost his motivation to play against grubby since he is playing against him like 20times/day and every time grubby all ins. No wonder if his focus might slip a bit. And like aocowns says, commentating also makes your focus worse. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On February 25 2013 00:33 Desmoden wrote: I have been a fan since the start of SCII. I always admired his injects, they were spot on. The last few times I caught his stream, his queens were swimming in energy. That was the case when he lost 6 times to Grubby as well. Is it because its "just ladder"? I dunno, Idra's injects have never been close to perfect as long as I can recall at least. There is the commentary factor though, no player is able to play at his very best while still commentating his own play and doing analysis. There is also the frustration of losing to silly all ins again and again  | ||
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Fizzy
Sweden388 Posts
On February 25 2013 00:33 Lefaa wrote: Obviously you havent seen the games, but i think those longer games determine your skill level much better than all ins. Leefa you forget that perhaps Grubby is practicing all-ins against zergs, especially zergs who usually lose to them. Whatever a person may think about all-ins, they are a part of the game. And determine just as much skill as any other strategy. IdrA is just using the "lol all-ins so lame and noob"-excuse to boost his own ego, and to make his fans go "Omg idra so cool, speaking the truth! Not caring what people think about him! Yeah everyone is trash except him!" because that is what makes him earn money. As for Gregs current skill, he looks promising in HotS... but i guess we will have to wait for the tournaments to start up again before we sing hallelujah the gracken is back. | ||
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Sqorpion
Denmark384 Posts
On February 25 2013 00:53 Fizzy wrote: Leefa you forget that perhaps Grubby is practicing all-ins against zergs, especially zergs who usually lose to them. Whatever a person may think about all-ins, they are a part of the game. And determine just as much skill as any other strategy. IdrA is just using the "lol all-ins so lame and noob"-excuse to boost his own ego, and to make his fans go "Omg idra so cool, speaking the truth! Not caring what people think about him! Yeah everyone is trash except him!" because that is what makes him earn money. As for Gregs current skill, he looks promising in HotS... but i guess we will have to wait for the tournaments to start up again before we sing hallelujah the gracken is back. I didn't watch the stream, so I'm not going to comment on the actual games, but I think the skill floor (not skill ceiling) on all-inning is a lot higher than on standard play. What I mean by that if another player is better than you in every way, your best shot is to all-in, in many cases I would say do a coinflip, because your chances are a lot better of beating him/her - because allins do not take as much skill to pull off. That being said, IdrA is a good player, Grubby is a good player, but I disagree that allinning determine as much skill as any other strategy. I actually think allins proves the skill of the opponent more if he holds it, but not as much if he doesn't. As for the games and the situation that apprently occured, but a lot of the shit that you have been able to do in HotS have obviously been imbalanced. I don't know if this played a factor in any of these games but I guess it could be considered abuse. So if IdrA was right or wrong in his statement - I don't know. But I disagree with yours. EDIT: Also, tradition says that grack is back is never too early to sing. | ||
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Sedzz
Australia391 Posts
I also agree with the aspect that CERTAIN all-ins require a large amount of degree to execute (ie marine/scv - anything micro oriented) and also a large amount of skill to hold if unscouted or unexpected. | ||
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syriuszonito
Poland332 Posts
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Vinand
Netherlands159 Posts
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Hollow27
United States111 Posts
On February 25 2013 00:33 Desmoden wrote: I have been a fan since the start of SCII. I always admired his injects, they were spot on. The last few times I caught his stream, his queens were swimming in energy. That was the case when he lost 6 times to Grubby as well. Is it because its "just ladder"? In the early stages of SC2, Zerg was much more swarm-esque, focusing on large numbers of low tier units, like Roach Hydra Corruptor as a standard comp. Now the metagame is higher tier, higher supply, higher gas units with better survivability as to focus on unit retention and effective trading (Infestor, Broodlord, Swarm Host, etc). Injects are no longer the most crucial thing past the ~15 minute mark, because players expand enough and build enough macro hatches they have enough larvae anyways. | ||
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Facultyadjutant
Sweden1876 Posts
On February 25 2013 03:48 Hollow27 wrote: In the early stages of SC2, Zerg was much more swarm-esque, focusing on large numbers of low tier units, like Roach Hydra Corruptor as a standard comp. Now the metagame is higher tier, higher supply, higher gas units with better survivability as to focus on unit retention and effective trading (Infestor, Broodlord, Swarm Host, etc). Injects are no longer the most crucial thing past the ~15 minute mark, because players expand enough and build enough macro hatches they have enough larvae anyways. Let's not kid ourselves The days when idra wins is when his mouse is precise and his injects are swift The other days are when hes hovering 150 energy and dies with money in the bank | ||
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EmNGiantNome
United States126 Posts
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Mongolbonjwa
Finland376 Posts
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