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On October 15 2012 03:47 Liquid`TLO wrote:I apologize for today's performance. Yesterday I was too tired and exhausted to care and get nervous. Today I got shaky hands again, getting so close to managing that win that I long so much for. It's not as bad anymore as it used to be I believe, but still a major problem. In December I will be able to pick up Tai-Chi hoping to learn more about mental discipline and finding balance. At least it showed that my work is starting to show a little bit, I am sad about how this Tournament ended for me, but I will try to fix my issues and not just accept it as a given. Thanks for everyone who still cheers for me after so long, I know it's been a difficult journey to be my fan. But I will never give up and hope you don't give up on me either. 
well, just a note: I am playing jazz music at a (high) amateur level and always played way worse when performing live for a crowd compared to practice/rehearsal. What really helped me was simply facing the situation as often as possible. Just play tons of tournaments. Doing Tai chi and whatever will be *contraproductive* as it will let you in fact focus more on your mental 'problem'. Having an 'i have mental issues, but i'll ignore them as much as possible' - attitude will help by the time.
Just accept being nervous, do not try to avoid it (this will increase the impact of your problem), but face the situation as often as possible will help mid/long term (med.: "desensibilisierung"). Think of 'training to perform even when nervous', not 'learn to avoid nervousness' (<= will not work).
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You did brilliantly TLO it is the start of something good :D
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I side with the jazz musician. Don't regard the nervousness as a problem that has to be tackled, but expose yourself to it. You will never overcome stage fright (because no sane person ever does), but you will get used to it eventually.
... or regularly sleep deprive yourself before events. :-)
+ Show Spoiler +Nope, that last part wasn't actually serious.
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Feel free to correct me on this, but from what I've read on the topic, stress is an essential component for performing at your peak. It is a cognitive and physical enhancer, and allows you to think more quickly on the fly and react faster. Your hands are shaking? Good! That means your body is pumping you full of adrenaline and preparing you for a difficult task.
The essential thing is to not let your stress make you nervous. Your heart rate pumping and your hands shaking should make you feel bold, you should fist-pump and feel ready for a fight. It's incredibly important that you don't think "Oh no, my hands are shaking, that means I am nervous, and I won't be able to perform well!" Your hands shaking and being nervous are two separate things. You become nervous *because* you think that your hands shaking means you will perform badly. However, all top performers who care about their results get shaking hands - some even throw up before most of their important events.
This is not a negative thing, and you shouldn't think of it as negative. People who talk about being "in the zone" are usually talking about getting a great adrenaline surge at a timely moment, and thereby achieving things they would not be able to normally.
So to re-iterate: stress is positive in high-pressure situations. Don't get nervous from feeling symptoms of stress like your hands shaking, getting butterflies in your stomach, or your mind racing. They are a sign that your body is preparing to kick ass!
I apologize if this all seems very obvious to everyone else, but learning this made it much easier for me to cope with high-pressure situations. After learning this, I have very rarely gotten nervous from being stressed. I don't know if my situation applies to you too, and you might be facing different hurdles than I have faced, but it sounds like this may be the problem you're facing.
While I'm here: TLO, you're bar none my favourite player and you have been ever since I first saw you play. You've taken tremendous strides recently, and the games you showed in ASUS ROG were great - I haven't had that much fun with SC2 in a long time!
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On October 15 2012 03:47 Liquid`TLO wrote:I apologize for today's performance. Yesterday I was too tired and exhausted to care and get nervous. Today I got shaky hands again, getting so close to managing that win that I long so much for. It's not as bad anymore as it used to be I believe, but still a major problem. In December I will be able to pick up Tai-Chi hoping to learn more about mental discipline and finding balance. At least it showed that my work is starting to show a little bit, I am sad about how this Tournament ended for me, but I will try to fix my issues and not just accept it as a given. Thanks for everyone who still cheers for me after so long, I know it's been a difficult journey to be my fan. But I will never give up and hope you don't give up on me either. nothing too apolgize for, i loved your games, so happy too see you play well, your build too hold immortals was so sick, i think it was one of the most beatuiful bastreeades i ever seen in zvp stay awesome dude <3
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TLO, u just need to participate in more tournaments and find the right balance between tournaments and practice, not just try completely avoiding pressure and being nervous. Im sure thai chi will help you, but more you play in tournaments, more you will get used to it and surely at least be less pressured. Adrenaline is surely a good thing if u get at least some control of it, like myself, i got really nervous during exams and preformed bad eventho i manage to pass them still, but with ''practice'', the adrenaline that i got when tests started actually started to help me rather than make me do worse. But still don't overdo it with tournaments, finding balance between practice and getting used to tournament matches/stage preformance is crucial!
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On October 15 2012 03:47 Liquid`TLO wrote:I apologize for today's performance. Yesterday I was too tired and exhausted to care and get nervous. Today I got shaky hands again, getting so close to managing that win that I long so much for. It's not as bad anymore as it used to be I believe, but still a major problem. In December I will be able to pick up Tai-Chi hoping to learn more about mental discipline and finding balance. At least it showed that my work is starting to show a little bit, I am sad about how this Tournament ended for me, but I will try to fix my issues and not just accept it as a given. Thanks for everyone who still cheers for me after so long, I know it's been a difficult journey to be my fan. But I will never give up and hope you don't give up on me either.
No need to apologize.
You had some really enjoyable games today, I really like your playstyle. Win or lose, it always makes for enjoyable games. If you manage to get your shaky hands under control, I don't think there'll be a limit for how far you can make it.
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On October 15 2012 05:28 Ubaion wrote:
Feel free to correct me on this, but from what I've read on the topic, stress is an essential component for performing at your peak. It is a cognitive and physical enhancer, and allows you to think more quickly on the fly and react faster. Your hands are shaking? Good! That means your body is pumping you full of adrenaline and preparing you for a difficult task.
The essential thing is to not let your stress make you nervous. Your heart rate pumping and your hands shaking should make you feel bold, you should fist-pump and feel ready for a fight. It's incredibly important that you don't think "Oh no, my hands are shaking, that means I am nervous, and I won't be able to perform well!" Your hands shaking and being nervous are two separate things. You become nervous *because* you think that your hands shaking means you will perform badly. However, all top performers who care about their results get shaking hands - some even throw up before most of their important events.
This is not a negative thing, and you shouldn't think of it as negative. People who talk about being "in the zone" are usually talking about getting a great adrenaline surge at a timely moment, and thereby achieving things they would not be able to normally.
So to re-iterate: stress is positive in high-pressure situations. Don't get nervous from feeling symptoms of stress like your hands shaking, getting butterflies in your stomach, or your mind racing. They are a sign that your body is preparing to kick ass!
I apologize if this all seems very obvious to everyone else, but learning this made it much easier for me to cope with high-pressure situations. After learning this, I have very rarely gotten nervous from being stressed. I don't know if my situation applies to you too, and you might be facing different hurdles than I have faced, but it sounds like this may be the problem you're facing.
While I'm here: TLO, you're bar none my favourite player and you have been ever since I first saw you play. You've taken tremendous strides recently, and the games you showed in ASUS ROG were great - I haven't had that much fun with SC2 in a long time!
Don't agree completely: stress leads to a kind of tunnel-vision. This may be good for (some) sports and for danger situations (mother nature designed it for that) but it may decrease you mental strength as it shuts down any creativity or fine grained analysis. This is why it is much harder to play 'jazz' (creativity and a relaxed flow needed) than to play some classical music when nervous. However starcraft needs reaction, instinctive fine-grained analysis and adaption on the fly. If you are panicing you will for sure decrease in SC2 skill.
sorry for the 'public tips', just thought about your issue and i found another (imo) major issues:
* reduce the pressure you put on yourself
* reduce public expectations (=pressure)
1) don't tell anybody you are practicing hard, this will increase pressure.
2) don't do any predicition of your target/results regarding a tournament
3) be overmodest
4) get a smurf and play any playhem daily/go4sc2 cup you are capable to participate. This might increase your mental skill even if you will face a lot of low level play.
its much easier to be a positive surprise, your current strategy always gives an impression you underwhelmed youself, your fans .. this is unhealthy for your confidence and increases the expectations (of yourself and the public) in future tournaments.
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TLO you're awesome and we already know you're capable of that highest level.
On October 15 2012 04:42 Schnullerbacke13 wrote:
well, just a note: I am playing jazz music at a (high) amateur level and always played way worse when performing live for a crowd compared to practice/rehearsal. What really helped me was simply facing the situation as often as possible. Just play tons of tournaments. Doing Tai chi and whatever will be *contraproductive* as it will let you in fact focus more on your mental 'problem'. Having an 'i have mental issues, but i'll ignore them as much as possible' - attitude will help by the time.
Just accept being nervous, do not try to avoid it (this will increase the impact of your problem), but face the situation as often as possible will help mid/long term (med.: "desensibilisierung"). Think of 'training to perform even when nervous', not 'learn to avoid nervousness' (<= will not work).
I wouldn't say Tai chi would be counter productive. Many sports promote focus and I believe that 100% from my personal experience with playing Tennis-- learned focus helps me in my studies. In fact, especially tai chi or yoga, where you often hold poses, would help develop focus. Ignoring mental issues is actually a terrible method because you relinquish control and this may make you more frustrated or even develop bad habits. It's better to actively seek answers and find something that works for you. If mental issues were easy to overcome, Sports Pyschologists would be out of a job and the more you search the more you find out that there is alot to learn.
Aside from breathing techniques and sheer experience, I suggest rituals.
This seems silly and superstitious, but many top tennis players exercise this to some extent. The purpose is to get into your best mental condition-- the elusive "zone."
"Rafael Nadal: my pre-game rituals sharpen my senses before I go into battle"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/8703175/Rafael-Nadal-my-pre-game-rituals-sharpen-my-senses-before-I-go-into-battle.html
Another example is bouncing before each serve. Rafael, Djokovic, Serena have a set number of bounces before they will serve. In their heads, everything has reset and it does not matter if they won or lost the previous point. Maybe players will start implementing a ritual between matches-- both highs and lows can bring out mistakes in a pro's play.
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On October 15 2012 04:55 BronzElite wrote:
I side with the jazz musician. Don't regard the nervousness as a problem that has to be tackled, but expose yourself to it. You will never overcome stage fright (because no sane person ever does), but you will get used to it eventually.
this.
the best artists have the most stage fright. dont try to fight it, work with it.
be happy when you get stage fright, yearn for it, long for it.
if you get stage fright, then you are alive.
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pfft, I don't care if you win, I just wanna see that nydrus imortal all in defence GG!
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You're always great TLO!!! You're a huge inspiration for me and i'm sure your hard work will show more and more!!!
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DARIO FIGHTING!
You were the first pro player I got to know a love when I started watching SC2 when it came out! You did great Dario, so great to hear you won't give up, I can't wait til you get that big win you want so bad, and I'm sure I can say the same for all of us here. After all, this is your fanclub. We're all behind you!
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On October 15 2012 03:47 Liquid`TLO wrote:I apologize for today's performance. Yesterday I was too tired and exhausted to care and get nervous. Today I got shaky hands again, getting so close to managing that win that I long so much for. It's not as bad anymore as it used to be I believe, but still a major problem. In December I will be able to pick up Tai-Chi hoping to learn more about mental discipline and finding balance. At least it showed that my work is starting to show a little bit, I am sad about how this Tournament ended for me, but I will try to fix my issues and not just accept it as a given. Thanks for everyone who still cheers for me after so long, I know it's been a difficult journey to be my fan. But I will never give up and hope you don't give up on me either.
Don't be sorry, TLO! You still crushed the group stages. It was a great performance and a pleasure to watch.
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You played so well in the 2GD tournament TLO! Awesome plays. You should make your opponent nervous, just play your best and you'll have nothing to worry about! :D
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Gogo TLO! And I do Tai-Chi myselfs, its just awsome, beside from your goal with it! :-)
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On October 15 2012 03:47 Liquid`TLO wrote:I apologize for today's performance. Yesterday I was too tired and exhausted to care and get nervous. Today I got shaky hands again, getting so close to managing that win that I long so much for. It's not as bad anymore as it used to be I believe, but still a major problem. In December I will be able to pick up Tai-Chi hoping to learn more about mental discipline and finding balance. At least it showed that my work is starting to show a little bit, I am sad about how this Tournament ended for me, but I will try to fix my issues and not just accept it as a given. Thanks for everyone who still cheers for me after so long, I know it's been a difficult journey to be my fan. But I will never give up and hope you don't give up on me either.
Hope you do well TLO! Always believe!
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On October 15 2012 03:47 Liquid`TLO wrote:I apologize for today's performance. Yesterday I was too tired and exhausted to care and get nervous. Today I got shaky hands again, getting so close to managing that win that I long so much for. It's not as bad anymore as it used to be I believe, but still a major problem. In December I will be able to pick up Tai-Chi hoping to learn more about mental discipline and finding balance. At least it showed that my work is starting to show a little bit, I am sad about how this Tournament ended for me, but I will try to fix my issues and not just accept it as a given. Thanks for everyone who still cheers for me after so long, I know it's been a difficult journey to be my fan. But I will never give up and hope you don't give up on me either.
Then maybe play each tournament in a tired and exhausted state from now on? 
Or maybe use some of that herbal medicine from HerO and/or chew gum.
Day 1 was great. Your interview with 2GD was also hilarious, haha.
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Stress is never good, period. If possible, you´d always be better off without stress. When you feel like the adrenaline helps you concentrate, then only because you have problems to concentrate otherwise. If you solved them, you´d be better off. Granted, adrenaline helps you get over physical pain and exhaustion, but that´s not something you encounter in e-sports.
More to the point, it´s a good idea to adress your issues, but they have to be the actual issues. Being nervous e.g. is not the issue itself, it´s just a symptom. You have to realize where the nervousness comes from and overcome that. Could be fear of being ridiculed, fear of dissappointing your peers, fear of making a weak impression and being misunderstood etc.
Taiji is a good thing, but as little a solution as anything that does not adress one´s personality and fears. I have taught Taiji and other sports for a couple of years now and I´ve realized that personality is number one limiting factor in learning and improving. That said, good luck with that. I hope you get a good teacher that doesn´t get hung up on some irrelevant tradition, because that can be a huge obstacle in learning.
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