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klogg
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden800 Posts
November 30 2012 00:50 GMT
#86461
Translating is far from the hardest part of subbing.. Timing, editing and all that other jazz is the time consuming part. You really shouldn't make assumptions about it unless you have tried it yourself.
http://fiddle.se/ - @klogglol
Synapze
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada563 Posts
November 30 2012 00:55 GMT
#86462
On November 30 2012 09:50 klogg wrote:
Translating is far from the hardest part of subbing.. Timing, editing and all that other jazz is the time consuming part. You really shouldn't make assumptions about it unless you have tried it yourself.


Not making assumptions about shit. It takes them less than 2 days to sub 1 hour of WGM content so it's obviously possible. I believe running man is subbed quite fast too.
Yuri Victoria LMJ ~♥
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
November 30 2012 00:56 GMT
#86463
So there I was in my car enjoying the other new song on the Humonoid repackage album, Here I Stand, for the first time and it seemed like a decent enough song... until the dubstep break came in. I actually started laughing, it might be the longest dubstep section in a kpop song yet. I think I'm just going to edit the track and take out that part, or hopefully someone has already done that for me. I can only hope that this is supposed to be for the greatest dance break in the history of music... but seeing as it will probably never be performed I doubt it. (Actually scratch that I just checked and they did perform it at their solo concert on the 18th, no clue if the dubstep was included though cause I only see 1 fancam for the song)

Here is the song, dubstep (or w/e dumb thing you want to call it, idgaf if its not exactly "dubstep" but I imagine it is) comes in at 1:27

♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
November 30 2012 01:02 GMT
#86464
^
lol I laughed too, that drop/dubstep/electro sound didn't fit in at all. Seriously, what the hell? Haha.
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Synapze
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada563 Posts
November 30 2012 01:09 GMT
#86465
I wonder what went through their minds when they made the song.. who thinks that sounds good? lol
Yuri Victoria LMJ ~♥
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
November 30 2012 01:10 GMT
#86466
That's not a drop, that's falling into a bottomless pit.
klogg
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden800 Posts
November 30 2012 01:29 GMT
#86467
On November 30 2012 09:55 Synapze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 09:50 klogg wrote:
Translating is far from the hardest part of subbing.. Timing, editing and all that other jazz is the time consuming part. You really shouldn't make assumptions about it unless you have tried it yourself.


Not making assumptions about shit. It takes them less than 2 days to sub 1 hour of WGM content so it's obviously possible. I believe running man is subbed quite fast too.

Other shows aren't nearly as popular, meaning they don't pay nearly as well, meaning they won't sit for hours and hours on end doing it.
http://fiddle.se/ - @klogglol
Sovano
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1503 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 01:37:44
November 30 2012 01:36 GMT
#86468
On November 30 2012 09:55 Synapze wrote:
Not making assumptions about shit. It takes them less than 2 days to sub 1 hour of WGM content so it's obviously possible. I believe running man is subbed quite fast too.

You can't set a standard on one group and compare it to others when it comes to subbing. It's damn difficult to sub, I've done it before. People have already made a lot of good points in regards to the subbing process and how little they get back from it. Unless you have something really stable as well as popular, you won't be getting much.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
November 30 2012 01:39 GMT
#86469
Oh haha that dubstep.
WriterXiao8~~
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
November 30 2012 01:41 GMT
#86470
On November 30 2012 09:24 Synapze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 09:09 andyrau wrote:
If you're actually bilingual, as in actually fluent enough to debate topics in two different languages competently, you know that every language has its nuances that are extremely hard to translate.
For example, in English "wow you're so calloused" and "wow you're so tough" mean different things (obv in reference to personalities). In some ways, they're the exact same, and in others, they're completely different. Tiny things like this, and idioms, and references/puns make translating things like a variety show insanely difficult.


See that's my problem. You say that those nuances are difficult but they aren't. If someone claims to know both languages fluently they should be able to articulate those nuances into either language fast. You don't need a direct translation at all, you need to understand the concept and convey it in the other language.

The problem is people just say they are fluent in both korean and english while sucking ass in one or the other, because understanding a language isn't just being a dictionary, it's understanding the culture and sayings. But I don't really care, obviously anyone with real fluency is making real money for their skills, not what kshow pays.

edit - im bitter today fuck

I'm saying it's easy for native speakers, but most of these subs are done by people who aren't.
even when I'm watching a professionally subbed version of a film from my native country, there are so many tiny mistranslations and errors.
also timing is a huge bitch to do.

On November 30 2012 09:30 aloT wrote:
well seungah and jb really went on my a+++ sheets today. even though they were coupled they didnt try to variety-fy it.

watching hyunshik and jihyun on the bus and jb and jei on the rocks was so engrossing.

ah now I'm not sure if I like the seungah/jb pairing or the jei/jb pairing.

hyungsik and jihyun was just spaghetti spilling, it was kind of painful to watch. second-hand embarassment so hard.
I also kind of like the aoa girl with junk.
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 01:54:59
November 30 2012 01:42 GMT
#86471
On November 30 2012 09:24 Synapze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 09:09 andyrau wrote:
If you're actually bilingual, as in actually fluent enough to debate topics in two different languages competently, you know that every language has its nuances that are extremely hard to translate.
For example, in English "wow you're so calloused" and "wow you're so tough" mean different things (obv in reference to personalities). In some ways, they're the exact same, and in others, they're completely different. Tiny things like this, and idioms, and references/puns make translating things like a variety show insanely difficult.


See that's my problem. You say that those nuances are difficult but they aren't. If someone claims to know both languages fluently they should be able to articulate those nuances into either language fast. You don't need a direct translation at all, you need to understand the concept and convey it in the other language.

The problem is people just say they are fluent in both korean and english while sucking ass in one or the other, because understanding a language isn't just being a dictionary, it's understanding the culture and sayings. But I don't really care, obviously anyone with real fluency is making real money for their skills, not what kshow pays.


No, you have just no idea what speaking multiple languages means.
Show me an English sentence - I KNOW what it means. There are 0 translations going on in my head. I just KNOW the meaning of that sentence.
And then see me conversing in German. When I suddenly remember an English word of what I want to say, but the German one (my native tongue) escapes me. Even while the whole conversation is in German.

Being fluent just means that you can hold a conversation in a language.
Now look at translations. I know what a sentence MEANS. But being able to convey said concept in another language is something completely different. You need to consider I just saw the words in language X. So words from language X are more prone to appear in my mind compared to words from language Y, when thinking about concept A.


That said - transcribing (no translation, 100% accuracy) a video takes me about x4 the duration of the video. 15min video = 60min of transcribing. Then add translations (time required really depending on quality) and timing, typesetting, QA etc and suddenly offering (free) subs takes a lot of time.

Remember that you're offering a service to some idiots who cannot be bothered to learn a language in 2-3 years. Total motivation

On November 30 2012 10:41 andyrau wrote:
I'm saying it's easy for native speakers, but most of these subs are done by people who aren't.


Yes, that as well :/
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 30 2012 02:01 GMT
#86472
Ipl5, constantly playing kpop for the lol stream. Is this the way kpop gunna be popular? through esports?
liftlift > tsm
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
November 30 2012 02:04 GMT
#86473
They picked pretty good songs imo.
Pulselol
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1628 Posts
November 30 2012 03:38 GMT
#86474
newsflash: companies have found out that playing catchy music with cute girls to an audience of late teens and early twenties males is a good way of generating revenue.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
November 30 2012 04:16 GMT
#86475
Her voice is just beautiful
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 30 2012 05:24 GMT
#86476
The song is too short, I want to hear more of her voice. It's a good song, the MV reminds me of the retro look home video look from the beginning of the Bloom MV.
liftlift > tsm
klibrt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States533 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 05:30:15
November 30 2012 05:29 GMT
#86477
....

+ Show Spoiler +
Murdco
Profile Joined June 2011
United States745 Posts
November 30 2012 05:31 GMT
#86478
I prefer Yozoh's but twas nice
+ Show Spoiler [Yozoh's] +
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 30 2012 05:31 GMT
#86479
On November 30 2012 14:29 klibrt wrote:
....

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49gHAFKawqo

Oh wtf, why MV so short then? O.o thanks dude.
liftlift > tsm
MntLightning
Profile Joined April 2010
United States19 Posts
November 30 2012 05:59 GMT
#86480
There was a music video during the intermission of IPL 5 on the main stream not too long ago where it showed a group doing tap dancing lessons? I think it was SNSD but I am not sure as I can't find the video anywhere on youtube. Any help would be appreciated!
Mountain Lightning da best.
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