Korean Music Discussion - Page 3494

On August 07 2012 17:23 Kuja wrote:

What 12 year old girl is going to turn down being on T-ara? There's a reason that they are called minors cant make certain decisions for themselves, so I blame the company for taking advantage of that. I don't know maybe im overly sympathetic but can you really expect a 12 year old to dance/sing at the level of T-ara? Can you also blame a 12 year old for going along with being on T-ara?

I just don't like seeing people attacking her personally, when i feel that shes more a victim/being used in this case.

On August 07 2012 17:26 Kuja wrote:

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On August 07 2012 17:26 DystopiaX wrote:

Dude you don't get it. That shit doesn't matter. I'm sure most girls would jump at the chance to be pop stars, that's not the point. No one is an anti because they think she made a bad decision joining T-ara, we're all antis because she is in the group. It doesn't matter if it was her decision or CCM's. The placement of a talentless, non-Koreana speaking 12 year old girl in T-ara is what we object to, not that she wants to be in said group.

On August 07 2012 17:26 DystopiaX wrote:

Dude you don't get it. That shit doesn't matter. I'm sure most girls would jump at the chance to be pop stars, that's not the point. No one is an anti because they think she made a bad decision joining T-ara, we're all antis because she is in the group. It doesn't matter if it was her decision or CCM's. The placement of a talentless, non-Koreana speaking 12 year old girl in T-ara is what we object to, not that she wants to be in said group.



not really, because moonwrath's post is irrelevant to your argument.

On August 07 2012 17:07 Kuja wrote:
I don't know, but I do think it's going a little far to be an anti of her personally when all of the aforementioned things are management issues/company decision issues. I really doubt that she has much of a say in whatever goes on.

Also, i'm genuinely intrigued on how she'll turn out later. Debuting a (trainee?) like that hasn't really been done before so i don't want to comment on how it will turn out in the long run. I just don't know.

On August 07 2012 17:29 polgas wrote:
All these blame to KKS does not erase the doubt that the established T-ara members had bullied Hwayoung out of the group.

On August 07 2012 17:30 Nyorx wrote:
Not really a fan of Bomi but this picture is fantastic

On August 07 2012 17:29 IMHope wrote:

Pretty much this. I'm not hating on her on a personal level. I am just saying that she shouldn't be in an already established group while only being 12 and not being that talented.

On August 07 2012 17:31 unichan wrote:

what if iu got some untrained 12 year old girl picked up off the streets and they were going to be a duo for the rest of their lives and iu would never ever release a solo song again

would you be mad

also the new girl doesn't speak korean

On August 07 2012 17:32 Kuja wrote:

If IU was happy I wouldn't mind.

On August 07 2012 17:10 DystopiaX wrote:

gottdamn that's cold.

On August 07 2012 17:32 Kuja wrote:

If IU was happy I wouldn't mind.

On August 07 2012 17:35 polgas wrote:
Criticism is fine but the timing of kicking her out of the group after all those criticisms is way too suspicious.

On August 07 2012 17:36 Xenocide_Knight wrote:

After reflecting on my actions, I take it back. Apologies to TuElite. Always smile.
Regarding TuElite though, has everyone read this? I just now found it
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=354476
Thought it was worth a read

On August 07 2012 17:31 DystopiaX wrote:

it might be bias talking but I have doubts. If T-ara could successfully bully Hwayoung out of the group they would have done it when she joined, not a year+ after. That and all the "bullying" reports were found to be bullshit anyway, the only definite knock against T-ara I see is that they criticized Hwayoung for refusing to perform on stage, which I don't really think is a big deal.

On August 07 2012 17:36 DystopiaX wrote:


I thought you were gonna link to this which is only really worth a glance over to realize the depths of his insanity.

On August 07 2012 17:39 Xenocide_Knight wrote:

Well that was more.. fantasizing. I just thought it was interesting to read about Nicole and his IRL relationships.

On August 07 2012 17:38 StorkHwaiting wrote:


And... this is the reason why I was anti-Hwayoung when the whole controversy hit. Hwayoung had PLENTY of chances to either deny or confirm the bullying rumors. Instead she sat on twitter QQing and had her sister ultra-ham it up. Then there was her cousin coming out saying she got bullied. Hwayoung no longer has a contract with them but still refuses to go on record to give a clear account of the bullying accusations one way or another. Her supposed twitter apology was utter garbage. It was a vacuous apology that said nothing. Who was she apologizing to? Why? Nothing. Totally vague and ambiguous, made to look as if someone was pulling her teeth.

To me, her behavior throughout this whole scandal has been rotten. If she was getting bullied and forced out of the group, then come out and say it. If KKS was telling the truth, then keep quiet and just disappear from the public eye for a few months while you work out a deal with another group. Instead, she caused a massive stink for all parties involved, then refused to ever clear the air so the fans could make an honest assessment of what happened.

People will say, oh but her sister's still with CCM. So why was her sister tweeting about the controversy so much? If that was an actual concern, she would have stayed silent. Why is her cousin speaking up? It's obvious that Hwayoung has done everything possible to try to earn the sympathy of the outside world, while not committing one way or the other. She keeps trying to have it both ways. That sort of behavior reflects badly on her IMO, which leads me to believe there probably was bullying but it was probably somewhat incited by Hwayoung's lack of charisma/social skills.

On August 07 2012 18:06 aloT wrote:
Hwayoung probably has alot to say, that she could or should say, but can't. In the end, she has to look out for herself and her future, even if that includes swallowing a bitter pill. Saying nothing is bad, but unless you are very charismatic and have an iron will, which Hwayoung isn't, then all it means is that you will make it harder for yourself to be employed. Even though she is very young, she has already taken the plunge into idolhood and the best way for her to restart her career is to let this whole thing die down as quickly as possible. It is not what the fans want, or even what she ideally wants, but Hwayoung has to bite it.

She is one of the youngest, newest and quietest people in a mid-level group recognised not for their vocal abilities but for their cat ears and tails. People say she is known as a rapper? To me, she is a rapper in order to fill a role, not because she is particularly good at it. Can Hwayoung make it as a solo rapper, or a duo rapper? No. She may have the talent, but so far her recognisable rap lines that her company gave her are "ya ya ya", "na na na na", and "no no no no no". You need an incredible amount of charisma to make it as a rapper, I wish I could of seen her in a more normal role, can you imagine Hwayoung trying to jam next to Yoon Mi Rae or Miryo?

Right now, the image CCM has given Hwayoung is completely unmarketable. I felt a rock drop when I saw her twitter apology, but this was never our fight, it was Hwayoungs and 250,000 twitter supporters don't matter when the only dozen or so people who knew and could help you are the ones out to get you. I feel incredibly sorry for her, because for me, her career has unfortunately ended.

On August 07 2012 16:10 Sc2zero7 wrote:


I wanted to make a post like this awhile back but was too lazy to log in just to type a bitch post. This thread is literally so garbage to read now. I think there were 10 pages of nothing but talk about tweeting crayon pop. I've tried to listen to both songs and closed both of them out before they finished. It doesn't help that every other page on this thread is an irc conversation either. I used to read almost every single post but I guess I'm going to have to do selective reading now. This thread has been on a steady decline for the past 500-700 pages and then took a nose dive in the last 300 pages. Not to single out Tuelite but his posts have gotten creepier as well.

On August 07 2012 16:46 wei2coolman wrote:
This is why Dystopia #1 in KMD, awesome fucking posts, super informative and well thought out. I sure hope I can gain enough kpop knowledge to start putting up more original and large posts.

Also, thanks for the fix.