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IMHope
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Kuja
United States1759 Posts
On August 07 2012 16:34 wei2coolman wrote: Kuja will now be known as the lone Dani lover. I'm sure she appreciates her one and only fan in That's not exactly what im trying to get at... it seems to me that she has gotten alot of hate. All im saying is that I don't think there is enough out there about her to love or hate her at this point. | ||
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TuElite
Canada2123 Posts
On August 07 2012 16:26 Xenocide_Knight wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3zoEE.gif) Why would anyone cut off Nicole from that gif ? Sick twisted people out there I tell you... Smh. I hope you didn't make it Xeno... I will be watching you. ...Very closely. | ||
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Kuja
United States1759 Posts
On August 07 2012 16:39 TuElite wrote: Why would anyone cut off Nicole from that gif ? Sick twisted people out there I tell you... Smh. Why don't you remedy the situation TuElite? | ||
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
On August 07 2012 16:39 Kuja wrote: That's not exactly what im trying to get at... it seems to me that she has gotten alot of hate. All im saying is that I don't think there is enough out there about her to love or hate her at this point. she is 12 added to the list | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On August 07 2012 16:39 Kuja wrote: That's not exactly what im trying to get at... it seems to me that she has gotten alot of hate. All im saying is that I don't think there is enough out there about her to love or hate her at this point. Man, she's a thirteen year old trying to join a top tier Kpop group and you can't understand why people would take issue with that? Her very existence is a KKS troll. I'm sure she's a very sweet girl and a human being deserving of pursuing her dreams, but there is no place in T-ARA for a 13 year old. It just doesn't fit their concept whatsoever. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 07 2012 16:39 Kuja wrote: That's not exactly what im trying to get at... it seems to me that she has gotten alot of hate. All im saying is that I don't think there is enough out there about her to love or hate her at this point. So essentially, you have a perfectly tasty steak, well cooked (medium rare OBVIOUSLY), with just salt and pepper. Then they started adding shit on to it, like useless garnishes. Eventually they decide, FUCK IT, we'll just sprinkle it with sugar. See the first few attempts were at least thinly veiled as trying to improve the already perfect steak, eventually it got to the point where they started adding stuff that was completely irrelevant. | ||
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Kuja
United States1759 Posts
Well, that could turn out to be a good thing. Entering at such an age can actually be highly conducive of developing greater talent later. The sooner in life she starts practicing the better she should theoretically be later on. I could only imagine this is magnified by joining a brand as well-known as T-ara. | ||
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TuElite
Canada2123 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RzgmW.gif) I don't have the shuppeling gif, guess I didn't save it or that I misplaced it. This should do. (Closing in on 5k pictures, so hard to keep everything organised...) THEY ARE DISAPPROVING OF YOU XENO Good night everyone. Xeno, reflect on what you've done. I hope Nicole comes to you in your dream to show you the light. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On August 07 2012 16:16 Radioman wrote: why is it that every time I see a kpop group MV with a car they use the R8? Is it a Korean favourite? Not everyone in this thread is over 18 or w/e you deem young enough to like a 12 y/o girl (but I think shes 13 if that matters as well). Probably calling on the same Korean dude who owns that car to use it for the MV lol On August 07 2012 16:15 XaI)CyRiC wrote: Agree that Hyuna > 4minute. She's just a head above the rest of the group in terms of stage presence and marketability (which includes appeal in variety settings). It's not just that, it's that Cube haven't even tried to let the public get to know the rest of the group at all, or if they have their personalities are so flat they don't leave an impression at all (I've watched like 4 separate variety shows with them in it and remember nothing about them other than their maknae acted cute for like 5 seconds). The music that they try to push is terrible as well, they're either kpop generic as shit (muzik, hot issue) that isn't memorable at all- I had to youtube search the group just to make sure I remembered all of them and what they sounded like- or I think they're actually terrible (Volume Up). The problem isn't that their music is terrible, it's that it's not memorable. No matter what you feel about groups like A Pink or 2ne1 musically, they're distinctive and you know what kind of shit they're going to push. For the past 2 years 4minute has just pushed out generic song after generic song. A song like Volume Up is the kind of song I'd show to a friend who wanted to know what kpop was about, if I didn't want him to actually like the genre. On August 07 2012 16:23 StorkHwaiting wrote: Sometimes I genuinely wonder how KKS rose to his position of authority. I used to say it as a joke but KKS actually is pretty smart and competent, he just made 1 huge mistake and his management style isn't suited for this crisis. See, KKS has one crisis management tactic- distract the shit out of everybody with other trivial shit. When PJY was criticized for being bitchy during performances, CCM released press about how tired she was and everyone hated on KKS for being a slave driver instead- same for all the sleepy EJ vids and that one clip of the girls actually sleeping on a variety/talk show. When PJY stripcam scandal broke CCM first covered it up and then made everyone focus on the company by posturing and talking about prosecution. When Hwa joined the group and everyone was bitching and moaning he just shoved her into as much shit as possible and gave her the most lines while releasing ridiculous statement after ridiculous statement that caused everyone to hate him and perceive him as incompetent- which got all the fans circlejerking about how much they hate CCM rather than circlejerking about how much they hate Hwayoung. People kept bitching about how stupid KKS was to add her (and later Ahreum and Dani) and eventually Hwa got fans. (this is incidentally why I believe in my Dani is a distraction to get people to not hate Hwayoung theory is true, cause this is all KKS does) The problem with this situation is that 1. He waited the weekend to address the rumors, letting all the netizens compile "evidence" (all of which so far has been either flimsy, contradicted by other statements, retracted, or proven false) before releasing any kind of statement at all, so by the time he did say something everyone had already decided that 6-ara are bitches and EJ is a sadistic bitch who loves to make young girls choke on ricecakes. 2. The distraction tactic isn't going to work when the thing you're trying to distract them from is huge. No one cares about Hwa not performing one time or KKS threatening her or any of that shit when bullying is such a big deal out of a girl group and such a big social issue in Korea as well 3. No matter how you feel about the new members, the tweet incident by itself proved how fucking stupid the idea was from a BTS/group dynamics angle. Many other people, both here and in other places, have made this point- sticking 3 girls into a successful and "complete" group for the purpose of increasing ad revenue (or something) and then threatening to kick out the original members if they don't work hard enough (translated, make CCM that money) was a terrible move. It's even worse considering that they have to pretend to like each other all the time while competing for attention, lines, and even a spot in their own fucking groups. It doesn't even matter if 6-ara are complete bitches or normal human beings, any reasonable person is gonna get pissed in that situation. Whether 6-ara are huge bullies or not, it's really KKS's fault for setting all this shit up. As with all my long essays I end by wondering why I bothered to type that all up...meh On August 07 2012 16:41 wei2coolman wrote: So essentially, you have a perfectly tasty steak, well cooked (medium rare OBVIOUSLY), with just salt and pepper. Then they started adding shit on to it, like useless garnishes. Eventually they decide, FUCK IT, we'll just sprinkle it with horse turds. See the first few attempts were at least thinly veiled as trying to improve the already perfect steak, eventually it got to the point where they started adding stuff that was completely irrelevant. more accurate. | ||
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IMHope
Korea (South)1241 Posts
On August 07 2012 16:43 Kuja wrote: Well, that could turn out to be a good thing. Entering at such an age is actually highly conducive of developing greater talent later. The sooner in life she starts practicing the better she should theoretically be later on. I could only imagine this is magnified by joining a brand as well-known as T-ara. So shouldn't she be more of a trainee and focus solely on developing her skill set? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Also, thanks for the fix. | ||
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Kuja
United States1759 Posts
On August 07 2012 16:44 IMHope wrote: So shouldn't she be more of a trainee and focus solely on developing her skill set? Well, the kind of public exposure shes gotten at such an early age should come in handy if she becomes an idol later on. I would argue that she is developing her skill-set through those things. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On August 07 2012 16:43 DystopiaX wrote: Probably calling on the same Korean dude who owns that car to use it for the MV lol It's not just that, it's that Cube haven't even tried to let the public get to know the rest of the group at all, or if they have their personalities are so flat they don't leave an impression at all (I've watched like 4 separate variety shows with them in it and remember nothing about them other than their maknae acted cute for like 5 seconds). The music that they try to push is terrible as well, they're either kpop generic as shit (muzik, hot issue) that isn't memorable at all- I had to youtube search the group just to make sure I remembered all of them and what they sounded like- or I think they're actually terrible (Volume Up). The problem isn't that their music is terrible, it's that it's not memorable. No matter what you feel about groups like A Pink or 2ne1 musically, they're distinctive and you know what kind of shit they're going to push. For the past 2 years 4minute has just pushed out generic song after generic song. A song like Volume Up is the kind of song I'd show to a friend who wanted to know what kpop was about, if I didn't want him to actually like the genre. I used to say it as a joke but KKS actually is pretty smart and competent, he just made 1 huge mistake and his management style isn't suited for this crisis. See, KKS has one crisis management tactic- distract the shit out of everybody with other trivial shit. When PJY was criticized for being bitchy during performances, CCM released press about how tired she was and everyone hated on KKS for being a slave driver instead- same for all the sleepy EJ vids and that one clip of the girls actually sleeping on a variety/talk show. When PJY stripcam scandal broke CCM first covered it up and then made everyone focus on the company by posturing and talking about prosecution. When Hwa joined the group and everyone was bitching and moaning he just shoved her into as much shit as possible and gave her the most lines while releasing ridiculous statement after ridiculous statement that caused everyone to hate him and perceive him as incompetent- which got all the fans circlejerking about how much they hate CCM rather than circlejerking about how much they hate Hwayoung. People kept bitching about how stupid KKS was to add her (and later Ahreum and Dani) and eventually Hwa got fans. (this is incidentally why I believe in my Dani is a distraction to get people to not hate Hwayoung theory is true, cause this is all KKS does) The problem with this situation is that 1. He waited the weekend to address the rumors, letting all the netizens compile "evidence" (all of which so far has been either flimsy, contradicted by other statements, retracted, or proven false) before releasing any kind of statement at all, so by the time he did say something everyone had already decided that 6-ara are bitches and EJ is a sadistic bitch who loves to make young girls choke on ricecakes. 2. The distraction tactic isn't going to work when the thing you're trying to distract them from is huge. No one cares about Hwa not performing one time or KKS threatening her or any of that shit when bullying is such a big deal out of a girl group and such a big social issue in Korea as well 3. No matter how you feel about the new members, the tweet incident by itself proved how fucking stupid the idea was from a BTS/group dynamics angle. Many other people, both here and in other places, have made this point- sticking 3 girls into a successful and "complete" group for the purpose of increasing ad revenue (or something) and then threatening to kick out the original members if they don't work hard enough (translated, make CCM that money) was a terrible move. It's even worse considering that they have to pretend to like each other all the time while competing for attention, lines, and even a spot in their own fucking groups. It doesn't even matter if 6-ara are complete bitches or normal human beings, any reasonable person is gonna get pissed in that situation. Whether 6-ara are huge bullies or not, it's really KKS's fault for setting all this shit up. As with all my long essays I end by wondering why I bothered to type that all up...meh more accurate. Great points. Thanks for the write-up. I read all of it  . I didn't think of it that way before but you're right. The only fly in the ointment for me is as you said, KKS royally screwed the pooch by trying to add girls in the first place. I get the feeling he did it because 6-ARA was starting to rebel and have bad attitudes, but that also seems to be because KKS really is a slave driver. So, yeah, tactically he's quite good, but strategically I think he's got some fundamental flaws. | ||
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Nyorx
Canada325 Posts
Apparently SME added JYJ back into TVXQ's profile. [x] Also korean search engines have also been adding their names back onto TVXQ's profile [x][x][x] Japanese TVXQ website [x] Not sure about anything though as I did get these off of Tumblr.... [source] | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On August 07 2012 16:48 Kuja wrote: Well, the kind of public exposure shes gotten at such an early age should come in handy if she becomes an idol later on. I would argue that she is developing her skill-set through those things. You don't prepare to play in the NBA by going 1v1 vs Lebron in a bball game as a 12 year old, you don't prepare for the olympics by competing in the gold medal match, you shouldn't prepare to be a kpop star by trying to debut as a kpop star. | ||
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IMHope
Korea (South)1241 Posts
On August 07 2012 16:48 Kuja wrote: Well, the kind of public exposure shes gotten at such an early age should come in handy if she becomes an idol later on. I would argue that she is developing her skill-set through those things. If she was just a trainee she would be working and focusing on developing as an idol and getting better with no distractions. In the situation that she is in it's really easy for her to get distracted and let what people say about her get to her and detract from what she is suppose to do. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 07 2012 16:48 Kuja wrote: Well, the kind of public exposure shes gotten at such an early age should come in handy if she becomes an idol later on. I would argue that she is developing her skill-set through those things. From what I understand. Normal kpop idol is made this way. Company recruits talented teens, around the age of 14. Semi-keeps them under wraps, while training them to be the perfect A few months - a year before debut, they do a pre-debut to build hype. Debut at around the age of 17~18. What KKS did. Grab untalented 12 year old, who can't speak Korean that well. Shove her into one of the arguably best kpop groups. Expects her to profit. Essentially you're shoving a baby off of a cruise liner, and expecting it swim~ | ||
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Kuja
United States1759 Posts
On August 07 2012 16:50 IMHope wrote: If she was just a trainee she would be working and focusing on developing as an idol and getting better with no distractions. In the situation that she is in it's really easy for her to get distracted and let what people say about her get to her and detract from what she is suppose to do. The same kind of situations could arise when shes actually an idol. Isn't it better that she gets exposure to them earlier on? | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On August 07 2012 16:50 StorkHwaiting wrote: Great points. Thanks for the write-up. I read all of it . I didn't think of it that way before but you're right. The only fly in the ointment for me is as you said, KKS royally screwed the pooch by trying to add girls in the first place. I get the feeling he did it because 6-ARA was starting to rebel and have bad attitudes, but that also seems to be because KKS really is a slave driver. So, yeah, tactically he's quite good, but strategically I think he's got some fundamental flaws.The thing is you don't need to control your girl groups by doing shit they don't like, I read somewhere (either the Kara split fiasco or one of the numerous articles talking about how poor non S-class idols actually are) that most idol contracts include both long (5 years or 12 if you're SM LOL) contracts that idols can't just break out of; if they try to they have to pay some large ridiculous sum of 800k or more. And even then if you break out JYJ have proven that you'll get blacklisted from performing anything at all if you do come out. CCM controls the girls entire careers, rebel and you lose your part in the drama CCM was trying to get for you, no lines or MV time at all, or kicked out of the group entirely. Even if T-ara was getting unruly (and I see no evidence for it) adding new members and PUBLICLY (being the key here) threatening the existing members with getting kicked out is way too heavy handed. | ||
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