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Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:34 Galtakar wrote: So when did this thread become an AKP commentary section? I lost track of what page people started to act like the people on AKP... The cancer that's killing KMD. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:34 Galtakar wrote: So when did this thread become an AKP commentary section? I lost track of what page people started to act like the people on AKP... When there were more people here just to heap endless praise upon their favorite idol than people who liked some of everything and wanted to talk about it? edit- and while post quality has gone down it is still not at AKP levels double edit- I have a theory that many of our problems have been caused by TuElite coming to this forum. Now before I continue I think I have to mention that I'm not hating on him at all, in fact I find his posts quite enjoyable. That said, here is what I think is the problem: As we all know, TuElite is a fan of Nicole. A huge fan. One might say "obsessive". He demonstrates this through incredibly long and time-consuming posts and projects such as the one on the previous page, and that screencap compilation posted a yesterday/a couple days ago. Now, this is fine. No one can say that any AKP commenter puts this much effort into fanboying/girling as much as TuElite does over Nicole. I can appreciate an effort like this even though I don't share his enthusiasm for Nicole. The problem, I believe, is that some people in the thread have seen TuElite's fanboying and both the attention and reputation that he's gained for it. As such, people have started to imitate him. See posts like this: On March 07 2012 11:59 Atmosfear wrote: Moonwrath are you gonna come out with something simliar to TuElite's post for Taeyeon's birthday Friday? I mean its gonna be hard to pull off. But Taengoo has faith in you. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oZpUT.gif) See, TuElite's fanboying is somewhat admirable in this thread; we're all fanboys/girls, and one can appreciate the hard work that TuElite puts into his fanboyism. The problem here is, and this is the crux of my theory, is that while people want to be LIKE TuElite, no one is quite willing (few exceptions) to put in as much actual WORK as TuElite does. So while you have people like Atmosfear (no offense) viewing this whole fandom thing as some kind of competition in who can spam more pics/caps/weird dreams, all the other fanboys (myself included) are too damn lazy to actually follow through and do the work. The result is that this thread has cultivated an attitude of it being ok to fanboy, yet no one wants to put in the work to make the post more than a few sentences of bubbly sounding crap and a few gifs thrown in- what is, in essence, an AKP comment. To reiterate so that I don't get shit flung at me for this- I don't mind fanboying at all. Although I singled out TuElite in my post I don't mind what he does, I actually think it's awesome and wish more people would put that much work into posting. All I'm saying is that posts in that nature have encouraged more straight fanboying in this thread than existed before. | ||
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Vorgrim
Korea (North)1601 Posts
KMD is not so bad, actual music gets posted and people talk about it. On that note, that new 2ne1 track is pretty catchy after a few listens. Not bad. | ||
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RezChi
Canada2368 Posts
could have been posted LONG time ago. | ||
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Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:32 skyR wrote: Official HD version: + Show Spoiler + I don't really like the chorus but the rest is good. I still like News better though. I feel the same way. Very good song if it weren't for the chorus. + Show Spoiler [Bonus Photoshoot Video] + + Show Spoiler [Bonus Pics] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BpuxF.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/p93gX.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KKFxr.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Qmkpl.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2apMN.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/SqAuT.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hMR3P.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FkAUI.jpg) And as an epilogue. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/F7kYG.jpg) And yea, News was awesome. Weirdly enough noone here ever talked about it. | ||
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Pulselol
Canada1628 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On March 08 2012 06:04 DystopiaX wrote: On March 08 2012 05:34 Galtakar wrote: So when did this thread become an AKP commentary section? I lost track of what page people started to act like the people on AKP... When there were more people here just to heap endless praise upon their favorite idol than people who liked some of everything and wanted to talk about it? edit- and while post quality has gone down it is still not at AKP levels double edit- I have a theory that many of our problems have been caused by TuElite coming to this forum. Now before I continue I think I have to mention that I'm not hating on him at all, in fact I find his posts quite enjoyable. That said, here is what I think is the problem: As we all know, TuElite is a fan of Nicole. A huge fan. One might say "obsessive". He demonstrates this through incredibly long and time-consuming posts and projects such as the one on the previous page, and that screencap compilation posted a yesterday/a couple days ago. Now, this is fine. No one can say that any AKP commenter puts this much effort into fanboying/girling as much as TuElite does over Nicole. I can appreciate an effort like this even though I don't share his enthusiasm for Nicole. The problem, I believe, is that some people in the thread have seen TuElite's fanboying and both the attention and reputation that he's gained for it. As such, people have started to imitate him. See posts like this: On March 07 2012 11:59 Atmosfear wrote: Moonwrath are you gonna come out with something simliar to TuElite's post for Taeyeon's birthday Friday? I mean its gonna be hard to pull off. But Taengoo has faith in you. + Show Spoiler + See, TuElite's fanboying is somewhat admirable in this thread; we're all fanboys/girls, and one can appreciate the hard work that TuElite puts into his fanboyism. The problem here is, and this is the crux of my theory, is that while people want to be LIKE TuElite, no one is quite willing (few exceptions) to put in as much actual WORK as TuElite does. So while you have people like Atmosfear (no offense) viewing this whole fandom thing as some kind of competition in who can spam more pics/caps/weird dreams, all the other fanboys (myself included) are too damn lazy to actually follow through and do the work. The result is that this thread has cultivated an attitude of it being ok to fanboy, yet no one wants to put in the work to make the post more than a few sentences of bubbly sounding crap and a few gifs thrown in- what is, in essence, an AKP comment. To reiterate so that I don't get shit flung at me for this- I don't mind fanboying at all. Although I singled out TuElite in my post I don't mind what he does, I actually think it's awesome and wish more people would put that much work into posting. All I'm saying is that posts in that nature have encouraged more straight fanboying in this thread than existed before. You seemed to have put a lot of thought into this. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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Nyorx
Canada325 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:41 Spekulatius wrote: I feel the same way. Very good song if it weren't for the chorus. + Show Spoiler [Bonus Photoshoot Video] + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcpuSkvpOdY + Show Spoiler [Bonus Pics] + Supposedly they're back to being nine members again, but I can't find the 9th teaser pic. She is the third from the left here. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PQAz3.jpg) And as an epilogue. And yea, News was awesome. Weirdly enough noone here ever talked about it. That isn't the ninth member. That is just the MV director. They're probably gonna add a ninth later on but not in this promotion cycle. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0ipl1Fa6H1qfou8fo2_500.jpg) | ||
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MethodSC
United States928 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:04 DystopiaX wrote: When there were more people here just to heap endless praise upon their favorite idol than people who liked some of everything and wanted to talk about it? edit- and while post quality has gone down it is still not at AKP levels double edit- I have a theory that many of our problems have been caused by TuElite coming to this forum. Now before I continue I think I have to mention that I'm not hating on him at all, in fact I find his posts quite enjoyable. That said, here is what I think is the problem: As we all know, TuElite is a fan of Nicole. A huge fan. One might say "obsessive". He demonstrates this through incredibly long and time-consuming posts and projects such as the one on the previous page, and that screencap compilation posted a yesterday/a couple days ago. Now, this is fine. No one can say that any AKP commenter puts this much effort into fanboying/girling as much as TuElite does over Nicole. I can appreciate an effort like this even though I don't share his enthusiasm for Nicole. The problem, I believe, is that some people in the thread have seen TuElite's fanboying and both the attention and reputation that he's gained for it. As such, people have started to imitate him. See posts like this: See, TuElite's fanboying is somewhat admirable in this thread; we're all fanboys/girls, and one can appreciate the hard work that TuElite puts into his fanboyism. The problem here is, and this is the crux of my theory, is that while people want to be LIKE TuElite, no one is quite willing (few exceptions) to put in as much actual WORK as TuElite does. So while you have people like Atmosfear (no offense) viewing this whole fandom thing as some kind of competition in who can spam more pics/caps/weird dreams, all the other fanboys (myself included) are too damn lazy to actually follow through and do the work. The result is that this thread has cultivated an attitude of it being ok to fanboy, yet no one wants to put in the work to make the post more than a few sentences of bubbly sounding crap and a few gifs thrown in- what is, in essence, an AKP comment. To reiterate so that I don't get shit flung at me for this- I don't mind fanboying at all. Although I singled out TuElite in my post I don't mind what he does, I actually think it's awesome and wish more people would put that much work into posting. All I'm saying is that posts in that nature have encouraged more straight fanboying in this thread than existed before. I couldn't disagree more with every point of your post. If you showed TuElite to the average kpop listener they would think he's crazy. Every person in this thread is a fanboy? No. It's okay to be an fanboy? I'm inclined to say no. People want to be like TuElite? this one made me laugh. This is like AKP, but with pictures and longer posts. The only thing missing is misleading article titles and sensationalist content. No one needs to go over it again, this is an image dump thread. | ||
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Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:06 MethodSC wrote: I couldn't disagree more with every point of your post. If you showed TuElite to the average kpop listener they would think he's crazy. Every person in this thread is a fanboy? No. It's okay to be an fanboy? I'm inclined to say no. People want to be like TuElite? this one made me laugh. This is like AKP, but with pictures and longer posts. The only thing missing is misleading article titles and sensationalist content. No one needs to go over it again, this is an image dump thread. To your first point- I agree. Anyone not as into a certain thing as you will think you're crazy for being so obsessive. But my point isn't that someone like him would appear normal to an average listener. By fanboy I don't mean obsessive, weird 2PM "Oppa!" screaming fan. I just mean that everyone here obviously listens to kpop, and everyone has preferences and likes to talk about them. That's why I talk about T-ara all the time or Moonwrath posts almost exclusively about SNSD. We obviously are using fanboy in a different sense here, so your third point is moot; using my definition there's nothing wrong with having preferences. As for people wanting to be like TuElite, maybe not everyone here does but after every postspam there's always a couple people talking about Moonwrath hopefully doing a similar sort of thing for an SNSD member (see above quoted post) | ||
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MethodSC
United States928 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:17 DystopiaX wrote: To your first point- I agree. Anyone not as into a certain thing as you will think you're crazy for being so obsessive. But my point isn't that someone like him would appear normal to an average listener. By fanboy I don't mean obsessive, weird 2PM "Oppa!" screaming fan. I just mean that everyone here obviously listens to kpop, and everyone has preferences and likes to talk about them. That's why I talk about T-ara all the time or Moonwrath posts almost exclusively about SNSD. We obviously are using fanboy in a different sense here, so your third point is moot; using my definition there's nothing wrong with having preferences. As for people wanting to be like TuElite, maybe not everyone here does but after every postspam there's always a couple people talking about Moonwrath hopefully doing a similar sort of thing for an SNSD member (see above quoted post) You're implying that degree doesn't exist. Just because Frank likes basketball and Fred likes football, doesn't mean that both will think eachother are crazy. In fact, Frank might enjoy football from time to time and vice versa, however is Frank talks about basketball every single time he talks to Fred and disregards that football or any other sport even exists, this will of course make Fred think that something is wrong with Frank for being so closed minded. As for "everyone has preferences and like to talk about them", what makes this true and why do you think that's okay? Your definition of fanboy means that they must've already lost their mind, and they need medicine, but that's not the definition most use. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
Everyone has preferences because they do, and that's fine. That's human nature. Everyone likes different things. I like T-ara, Moonwrath likes SNSD, we like to talk about our preferences. Really confused about what you're trying to say. Are you saying that we shouldn't share our opinions, or that everyone should love everything equally? Not following you on the fanboy= insane bit. Maybe I shouldn't say fanboy but fan, idk. But what I'm trying to say and what you think I'm trying to say are obviously 2 different things. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:54 DystopiaX wrote: I'm not saying that everyone would find TuElite normal, I'm saying that IN THIS THREAD SOME people can look at and either admire or at least be amused by his level of fandom. I'm not trying to say that anyone who has heard an SNSD song and thought it was catchy would think that his level of obsession is acceptable, I'm saying that, at least to the people who post semi-regularly here, TuElite's level of obsession is, while eccentric, not anything to really look down upon. Everyone has preferences because they do, and that's fine. That's human nature. Everyone likes different things. I like T-ara, Moonwrath likes SNSD, we like to talk about our preferences. Really confused about what you're trying to say. Are you saying that we shouldn't share our opinions, or that everyone should love everything equally? Not following you on the fanboy= insane bit. Maybe I shouldn't say fanboy but fan, idk. But what I'm trying to say and what you think I'm trying to say are obviously 2 different things. It's really just the fact that his posts are really really really really noticeable, and it serves as a representative of how ridiculous fanboys can be. It's like Moonwrath 2.0, just even more annoying. And I thought that was hard to achieve. | ||
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Waterhaak
Netherlands525 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:17 DystopiaX wrote: To your first point- I agree. Anyone not as into a certain thing as you will think you're crazy for being so obsessive. But my point isn't that someone like him would appear normal to an average listener. By fanboy I don't mean obsessive, weird 2PM "Oppa!" screaming fan. I just mean that everyone here obviously listens to kpop, and everyone has preferences and likes to talk about them. That's why I talk about T-ara all the time or Moonwrath posts almost exclusively about SNSD. We obviously are using fanboy in a different sense here, so your third point is moot; using my definition there's nothing wrong with having preferences. As for people wanting to be like TuElite, maybe not everyone here does but after every postspam there's always a couple people talking about Moonwrath hopefully doing a similar sort of thing for an SNSD member (see above quoted post) I don't fully agree with you on this being the fault of TuElite. He was here long before the thread got worse. I feel like the thread sort of is in a constant movement downhill as far as quality goes, but very very slowly. However recently (~3months) a lot of new people seemed to have entered the thread. Whether these are people that are new to TL, just found this thread or used to lurk, I don't know. But their posting standards seem to be quite a bit different from what used to be posted here. A reason for this however could be them looking up to TuElite, or something else, I don't know. "Fanboying" is something that is obviously going to happen, I'm guilty of it myself. But the way it is done is a lot different. | ||
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sharky246
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
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Moonwrath
United States9568 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:04 unichan wrote: For all of you guys complaining/mentioning how this was turning into akp, here you go. Now this is real KMD posts! It's where we talk about talking! BTW, new 2NE1 isn't too bad. I mean it's standard 2NE1 fare. I guess they are sticking to their sound and won't change a thing for Japan. I wonder if it will work. | ||
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