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On August 24 2011 01:43 VirtuallyJesse wrote: I don't post in this thread, but I've read it since late 2010 at least every other day. I am totally in favor of posts including new MVs, photo-shoots, songs, fancams, interviews, variety shows, gifs with little text accompanied. In a way it is a new source, and that is very important to me. I can understand the people spamming getting punished but locking the thread and deciding to change/set rules?
I agree. Content does not need to be explained when it's videos, photos or gifs. When it's text or news, I can understand the need for more info because questions might be raised like "where is the news from", "is it actually accurate or just a rumor" or "is the source reliable". In this case posts should include at least the source so people can decide themselves on the validity of the news.
Images etc. on the other hand are self-explanatory. They stand for themselves. And since it's true that a lot of people here use the thread as their primary source for kpop-related news, I'd rather love to see everything newsworthy than having people with new pics refrain from posting them because of some obligation to include more "effort".
I think Chill has the right idea. Clearly nobody wants to read through consecutive pages of numerous people writing dumb stuff quoting a single image macro, but the moderation does not need to be that strict in the end. I do not see how making someone go from "dat IU" to "Wow, IU looks gorgeous." is going to somehow produce a better thread. That is pushing the moderation too far. My 2¢.
I can understand the mods. "Dat IU" is 4-chan talk. The quality of TL doesn't stem least from having people think about what they say and how they do it. It's no fun reading threads that look like schoolyard talk (no offense to pupils). However, there's a fine line always between having fun and being a "contributing" part of a good thread. This thread is fun, chill and easy-going, not some sophisticated discussion. It never was like this and it shouldn't change.
Hmm... I like Nana without the eyeliner. Never really liked her cuz she looked so... raccoon faced. Without eyeliner much better. Does she ever perform without raccoon face?
Firstly, well done Spekulatius, I never expected to read the word orthography in this thread lol.
More on topic, childishness is somewhat up to the user and reader, what I might find inappropriate and juvenile someone else might not so I'm always somewhat wary of 'decency' restrictions so to say. I will always agree spamming the same thing over is a waste of space, people are capable and should express their own unique viewpoints and language over something because everyone is someone. Agree on the posting of videos/pictures being discussion in and of themselves, people can add extra text if they wish but should not be required. Reposts can often serve purposes as well and also to indulge in nostalgia but needs to have at least some kind of reason such as what others have stated, they sum up such things well imo. Also having some kind of 'effort' required in a post is completely ridiculous, how do you measure such things? My music show summary posts take me quite a long time(usually because of youtube failing), however functionally for me its no different than a one video post. How about measuring effort taken outside this website in order to find a video or image that you've posted? Does a post with 2 videos somehow have more worth due to 'effort' than a one video post?
A somewhat thick skin is kind of required to be a kpop fan in particular and a lot of longer term consumers of such product grow into a more seemingly 'wrong' way of addressing and speaking from what I've witnessed. I don't see such speech as inherently unacceptable and can often be a fun and interesting way to address topics, and limiting such output could lessen discussion and remove some of the unique flavour of the people and thread. I often quite enjoy the things lokim posts to use him as an example and losing something like that would make my time here less rich.
I would also like to mention something if I may, it feels to me that this thread in particular has become a bit of a self-policed (in some ways) area due to the general lack of moderation on unacceptable behaviour in the past, at least for a while. Many times has people making silly reposts been made fun of or the like by various people in the thread for example. We somewhat set our own standards when there's a lack of enforceable ones evident and such is the result.
I am pretty fine with rules as long as they are evident and consistently enforced for the benefit of the majority. Such proposals like needing discussion in every post is detrimental to the majority.
That might have been kind of rambling, but its what I was thinking.
On August 24 2011 02:16 The_LiNk wrote: Hmm... I like Nana without the eyeliner. Never really liked her cuz she looked so... raccoon faced. Without eyeliner much better. Does she ever perform without raccoon face?
^how's that for quality?
Saying Nana looks like a raccoon? Clearly unacceptable post.
On August 24 2011 02:25 Seditary wrote: Oh btw people, apparently Mnet is officially streaming tomorrow's M! Countdown at facebook.com/mnetkr at 6:00pm KST.
No idea if it'll be any good and I'll be making my usual post anyways.
On August 24 2011 02:25 Seditary wrote: Oh btw people, apparently Mnet is officially streaming tomorrow's M! Countdown at facebook.com/mnetkr at 6:00pm KST.
No idea if it'll be any good and I'll be making my usual post anyways.
Wow really? That's awesome. I mean it's pretty easy to get a stream online, but being able to view the official stream to support them is much better imo. The more coverage and viewers they are able to see outside of Korea the better it is for the industry.
On August 24 2011 02:25 Seditary wrote: Oh btw people, apparently Mnet is officially streaming tomorrow's M! Countdown at facebook.com/mnetkr at 6:00pm KST.
No idea if it'll be any good and I'll be making my usual post anyways.
On August 24 2011 02:25 Seditary wrote: Oh btw people, apparently Mnet is officially streaming tomorrow's M! Countdown at facebook.com/mnetkr at 6:00pm KST.
No idea if it'll be any good and I'll be making my usual post anyways.
Mnet is on Thursday, tomorrow is Wednesday
unless they changed it.
Check the time in your reply, tomorrow in korea is thursday =)
On August 24 2011 02:25 Seditary wrote: Oh btw people, apparently Mnet is officially streaming tomorrow's M! Countdown at facebook.com/mnetkr at 6:00pm KST.
No idea if it'll be any good and I'll be making my usual post anyways.
Mnet is on Thursday, tomorrow is Wednesday
unless they changed it.
Check the time in your reply, tomorrow in korea is thursday =)
Well yeah, but this is an international forum, I shouldn't be using tomorrow anyway, dates with times are much more accurate. And I'll still need to sleep twice before the show so its kinda not tomorrow. I hate timezones, always screws me up.
On August 24 2011 03:14 ChinaLifeXXL wrote: What do you call Kara fans? Like how SNSD fans are called sones or how Rainbow fans are called Leprechauns, for instance.
Because I'm not really sure what the singular of a Kara fan would be?
On August 24 2011 03:14 ChinaLifeXXL wrote: What do you call Kara fans? Like how SNSD fans are called sones or how Rainbow fans are called Leprechauns, for instance.
Because I'm not really sure what the singular of a Kara fan would be?
On August 24 2011 03:14 ChinaLifeXXL wrote: What do you call Kara fans? Like how SNSD fans are called sones or how Rainbow fans are called Leprechauns, for instance.
Because I'm not really sure what the singular of a Kara fan would be?
On August 24 2011 00:42 Chill wrote: I'm not sure if this is the right place for this comment, maybe we should take it to MiR but...
I was really surprised when this thread was locked. I even sent GTR a PM asking why it was locked because I couldn't find the reason.
I don't think the KMD thread should be held to the same standards as other General Forum threads, because it serves a different purpose, is a long-time thread and has really spawned its own community. It's kind of like the League of Legends thread or the Health and Fitness thread.
That being said, I think there needs to be a standard of quality that's a little bit higher than now. I would argue that posting a single Youtube video and going "New ___ song" is completely acceptable; however, responding with "dem legs" or "dat gna" or whatever else adds nothing to the discussion.
Can the members of this thread respond please and let me know what you think. Unfortunately, "we, the community, don't want to be moderated" isn't an option, because allowing shitty posts to become acceptable here puts the thread down a slippery slope where you can no longer have meaningful discussion.
Even with people acting like morons spamming "dat yejin" the thread has hardly ever been in danger of losing the ability to have meaningful discussion.
From my earlier repose:
There's only three things that need to be moderated more heavily: 1.) Reposts (notably stuff already posted within days and songs like Gee that have been posted 5000 times. 2.) Mindless spam (see the "dat yejin" spam) 3.) Image macros (responding with only a picture of someone making a face, e.g. Jessica)
I'm of the philosophy that if you have reason to believe something is a repost (lets say something fairly uncommon like M4 or 4Men from a year ago) you should stick it in a spoiler that says what it is to avoid clutter.
On August 24 2011 03:14 ChinaLifeXXL wrote: What do you call Kara fans? Like how SNSD fans are called sones or how Rainbow fans are called Leprechauns, for instance.
Because I'm not really sure what the singular of a Kara fan would be?
On August 24 2011 03:14 ChinaLifeXXL wrote: What do you call Kara fans? Like how SNSD fans are called sones or how Rainbow fans are called Leprechauns, for instance.
Because I'm not really sure what the singular of a Kara fan would be?
Wait a minute, Rainbow fans are called Leprechauns?
I once found this post on soompi I believe it was with all the fanclub names, and according to that list Rainbow fans are "Prismatic", keep in mind, it's from soompi forums -_-". But I think it's actually "Rain-nous" as stated above, made from Rainbow + Luminous?
Here's the full list (from soompi forums) if anyone is interested, including the colors, a shame it does not include Fin.K.L. fanclub name, and I myself have no idea either. + Show Spoiler +
H.O.T. -White Angels (White) S.E.S. - Friend (Pearl Violet) Baby VOX - Baby Angels (Pearl Pink) Shinhwa Changjo 신화창조= Always creating a new legend (Orange) Finkl - (Pearl Red) Jewlry - Jewelry Box (Pearl Blue) Black Beat - (Pearl Black) DBSK - Cassiopeia 카시오페아 (Pearl Red) TRAX - Total Eclipse / Traxian The Grace - Shapley (Pink) SS501 - Triple S 트리플 S = SSSupporters (Pearl Light Green) Super Junior E.L.F. Everlasting Friends (Pearl Sapphire Blue) Brown Eyed Girls - Everlasting SeeYa - SeeYa With You (Pearl Light Pink) Big Bang V.I.P. Very Important Persons (Bandanna / Doorags) Wonder Girls Wonderful (Pearl Burgundy) Kara Kamilia 카밀리아 Kara+Familia (Peach) FT Island - Primadonnas = Fans are the heroines of their lives (Yellow Flags = Pentasticks) Girls Generation S♡ne 소원 (Pastel Rose Hart) 2AM - I AM 2PM - Hottests (Metallic Gray) SHINee - Shawols SHINee+World = Shining Land (Pearl Aqua) U-KISS - Kiss Me After School - Play Girlz 2NE1 - Black Jack / YG Ladies 4Minute - 4Nia 4MIinute+Mania CNBlue BOICE Blue+Voice F(x) - Aff(x)tion (Pearl Chocolate) BEAST - B2UTY /Beauty/ MBLAQ - A+ Rainbow - Prismatic Epik High - High Skool AST'1 - EUNICE 유니스 (GREEK, Eu +nike) Eu = Good Nike = Victory
I just want to share a thought: it is not a good idea to take KPOP seriously. Everything about it is incoherent and nonsensical: the lyrics are most often written as a 5 years old kid would (the recurrent engrish lines and the interjections -such as oh, ah, lalala, UH!- should let you have a hint their complexity and deepness, even if you don't understand Korean at all); the music is nothing but a regurgitated mix of bass samples, a melodic line played over and over in the background (check some instrumentals and you'll probably notice it), and a bland melodic progression of notes with a very narrow scale to which vocals are given; aside from some exceptions (the most obvious of them being Hyorin), none of your beloved idols has any vocal talent at all; any average person who's given 6 months of intensive training would sing as well as 99% of the kpop artists; while most choreographies are cute and/or fun, they don't require skill and express absolutely nothing.
Many people insist on calling them artists, but they don't make any art at all: they're just performers, executors, an image. It's undeniable that they, as human beings, are truly dedicate and work extremely hard to do well their job and give the viewers/fans a good time, but that doesn't make them artists; they're just admirable employees. They have another role aside from entertaining: they serve as role models for teenagers, which is the reason why KCC keeps banning over-suggesting content or the reason why every time one of the idols does something out of the ordinary so much drama and controversy is created. This is also the reason why most fanclubs behave in such a bizarre manner: because its majority is comprised by teenagers, who have passional and narrow minds, and who never should be taken seriously.
The only adults who should care at all about KPOP are the people who work in the business, a business that is fueled (afaik) by the money of the parents of the teenagers who consume its products en masse. KPOP has no morale or message to extract from it; it exists only for leisure purposes, to chill out from daily life stress. Even if you said that those hard working idols could teach you a lesson about effort and discipline, you should be aware that the vast majority of them were recluted in their teens, and that they chose to sacrifice their teens and undergo severe practice lessons and hard work with the dream of becoming famous and worshipped, which is a very questionable choice.
I thought all of this was obvious, but watching the general response in this thread and some of the posts made me reconsider my assumption. When I see people getting butthurt because someone else said something negative (often in a disregarding, offensive way) about her favourite idol/band, when I see someone trying to do an extensive review/critique of a KPOP release, when I see people demanding respect and attention for mere images (at least to them) as idols are, when I see people complaining about others behaving in an unclassy way towards some female idols (did you know the main criterion under which those idols are chosen is their looks?), when I see people discussing about sales (sales are nothing but the factual expression of a band's fanbase, and quality has nothing to do about it except in the case of the small/unpopular bands), and, in general, when I see people demanding a coherent, mature, respectful discussion with proper sources and/or related material over KPOP, something inside me hurts, a pain that only my irredeemable cynicism can calm. Asking for a serious, respectful discussion over something as sordid and meaningless as KPOP (which at the end is nothing but a bunch of underpaid and exploited youngsters whose major asset is their looks and whose only purpose is to entertain -in a banal way- the masses) seems as pointless and out of place as discussing the viability of the early 20th century's political movemements in today's world or discussing what literary genre is the best.
By this I don't mean that we need to behave like 4chan users and start to shamelessly flame everything and everyone who shows up, but that everything related to KPOP should be taken light-heartedly, with no involvement at all. If Han Seung Yeon slips and eats the floor or if a crazy fan jumps to stage and gropes Taeyeon, it is legit to feel sorry for them, but it is also legit to laugh at it, as a uncommon incident that implies some inconvenience to our most often beloved and impeccable idols. If some idol happens to look particularly bad (at least to some people) in a concrete MV or picture, it is legit to blatantly claim that and make fun of it, as no harm is intended to her/his fans, and it is rather a light-hearted, meaningless comment of one of the idols who are there to entertain us all. And obviously, it is even more appropriate to praise them when they please us for whatever reason.
In my case, if it wasn't already stated by the thoughts I've expressed, I watch KPOP for fun. I enjoy the catchy, easy, sometimes trashy beats, the teenagers (and not so teenagers) who go on stage and do cute dances, singing retarded but cute songs, being all teasing and overacting. I do enjoy male artists too, most of the time for the hilarity that they ensue, and sometimes to blatantly rage at them and share some hate in a light-hearted and harmless way, and even sometimes for their good looks and cute behaviour (:3). I don't store any KPOP related content in my computer, nor do I listen to any KPOP song, but I can absolutely understand people who really likes it and is into it, as it is easy to listen, appealing to the general feelings such as love and sorrow, and catchy, not to mention it is lovely ladies/lads who are singing them. Still, I have my favourite idols, I hardly miss any weekly show, and on and on.
I'm not writing this to convice any hardcore fan to be more relaxed about their love for his idols or to convince people who enjoy constructive and coherent discussion to lower their standards for the sole purpose of enjoying KPOP to its fullest; I have the belief that every person is different and that people will only listen to what they want to hear. I'm writing all this just to express my point of view on the issue we're discussing and to justify the reason and the mindset behind my acts, which aren't just mindless spam or unjustified hate, but more of a satire and a critique of what I didn't approve of. Since I already explained it in this post, I will have no longer the need to express my disagreement to others in such a succinct way, and I will refrain myself from posting unless I have something to contribute with or unless we're again able to express simple, meaningless thoughts and opinions in a careless and unarticulated way.
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