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Vharox
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States1037 Posts
August 24 2011 00:02 GMT
#31181
Am I the only one that dislikes Rain as an artist (as in not liking his music)? Or am I just jealous of his abs :o
TuElite
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 00:17:19
August 24 2011 00:14 GMT
#31182
I agree with Nesserev.

Most idols work so hard, it's pretty ridiculous. Most dedicate their entire life to "Idol training" from a very young age and literally have no personal life whatsoever, their either always practicing or promoting, vacations and breaks seems very rare.

I remember watching some show about KARA as well as an audio interview discussing this and Nicole had a show where she studied veterinary science at a university and that truly made me realize how hard they truly work (and often for very little reward).

I don't remember during what particular show it was but Nicole was explaining how hard they had to work and how little success they had a first and they kept working even harder. I found her very inspiring. And on every show she appears, every performances, every public appearance you can see and feel that she's trying very hard and giving her best. I'm sure it's the same for most if not all idols, I'm just bias
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MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 00:38:37
August 24 2011 00:37 GMT
#31183
On August 24 2011 07:51 Moonwrath wrote:
The entire "is this art" argument is one of the most mundane and pointless debates one could ever have. Art is 100% subjective, and to deny these people "art" status(whatever the hell that is) just because they don't write their own songs(some do, most don't) is patently absurd. I'm now convinced that I'm being trolled by that lengthy diatribe that pretty much amounted to "KPop has nothing other than looking at the pretty girls dance and try to sing."


Well you would think "art" takes some sort of creativity, something that song writers and composers have to utilize to some extent.

Oh and while you're at it, you might as well say that music is subjective. Sure, that's a valid argument, however if that's the only thing you can come up with to defend a group's song or whatever, that's just borderline pathetic. You would think something that actually sounds "good" would speak volumes about its quality, with or without the need of x amount of good looking people being involved.

Your first statement gives off the vibe that in fact YOU KNOW better, at least have a general sense of what's considered aesthetically good or not. Don't use subjectivity bullshit to cover up the fact that out of the nine members in your favorite group, at least 1/3 of them have no business singing at all, or that probably 2/3 of them don't have some sort of music creativity sense. I mean it's ok, as long as they keep topping the Japanese and Korean charts right? Because subjectively, people think the songs they promote are great because it has some unique hook and good looking girls to visually stimulate the audience.

Souma's reply post to mine in the J-Pop thread sums it up the best about how K-Pop or even J-Pop works.

On August 30 2010 08:05 MorningMusume11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2010 10:43 PanoRaMa wrote:
Saw "braveheart" a while ago, that emcee sucks. As usual it's just Nishino Kana carrying the song and making anyone she collabs with sound a lot better (if autotune doesn't do it already), including WISE.


lol that's exactly what I thought too, but it was fricking hard to finish that one song with WISE.

Who needs SNSD or KARA when you got BRIGHT





On August 30 2010 08:22 Souma wrote:
Show nested quote +

Who needs SNSD or KARA when you got BRIGHT


Good song, ugly chicks.

... and that is why people go for SNSD/Kara etc.

On another note, I've had Namie Amuro's "Get Myself Back" and supercell's "Hoshi ga Mabataku Konna Yoru ni" on repeat for a while now. Woo.


Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
August 24 2011 00:57 GMT
#31184
On August 24 2011 09:37 MorningMusume11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 07:51 Moonwrath wrote:
The entire "is this art" argument is one of the most mundane and pointless debates one could ever have. Art is 100% subjective, and to deny these people "art" status(whatever the hell that is) just because they don't write their own songs(some do, most don't) is patently absurd. I'm now convinced that I'm being trolled by that lengthy diatribe that pretty much amounted to "KPop has nothing other than looking at the pretty girls dance and try to sing."


Well you would think "art" takes some sort of creativity, something that song writers and composers have to utilize to some extent.

Oh and while you're at it, you might as well say that music is subjective. Sure, that's a valid argument, however if that's the only thing you can come up with to defend a group's song or whatever, that's just borderline pathetic. You would think something that actually sounds "good" would speak volumes about its quality, with or without the need of x amount of good looking people being involved.

Your first statement gives off the vibe that in fact YOU KNOW better, at least have a general sense of what's considered aesthetically good or not. Don't use subjectivity bullshit to cover up the fact that out of the nine members in your favorite group, at least 1/3 of them have no business singing at all, or that probably 2/3 of them don't have some sort of music creativity sense. I mean it's ok, as long as they keep topping the Japanese and Korean charts right? Because subjectively, people think the songs they promote are great because it has some unique hook and good looking girls to visually stimulate the audience.

Souma's reply post to mine in the J-Pop thread sums it up the best about how K-Pop or even J-Pop works.

Show nested quote +
On August 30 2010 08:05 MorningMusume11 wrote:
On August 27 2010 10:43 PanoRaMa wrote:
Saw "braveheart" a while ago, that emcee sucks. As usual it's just Nishino Kana carrying the song and making anyone she collabs with sound a lot better (if autotune doesn't do it already), including WISE.


lol that's exactly what I thought too, but it was fricking hard to finish that one song with WISE.

Who needs SNSD or KARA when you got BRIGHT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nvejmuu5ic




Show nested quote +
On August 30 2010 08:22 Souma wrote:

Who needs SNSD or KARA when you got BRIGHT


Good song, ugly chicks.

... and that is why people go for SNSD/Kara etc.

On another note, I've had Namie Amuro's "Get Myself Back" and supercell's "Hoshi ga Mabataku Konna Yoru ni" on repeat for a while now. Woo.



Saying music is subjective is good enough. I don't have the patience to sit here and explain why I like certain songs or groups or whatever, I mean I guess I could explain why I think ITNW is a fucking amazing song but why bother? I'm not going to get dragged into this argument about SNSD at all, because nobody is changing your mind obviously.
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
August 24 2011 01:44 GMT
#31185
On August 24 2011 03:14 ChinaLifeXXL wrote:
What do you call Kara fans? Like how SNSD fans are called sones or how Rainbow fans are called Leprechauns, for instance.

Because I'm not really sure what the singular of a Kara fan would be?

+ Show Spoiler +
Is Boram like 150cm?

Rainbow fans are officially Rain-nous, the "Prismatic" thing was what the international fans called themselves before DSP gave them an "official" name, and IMO they should have stuck with it. If you're going to have an English fanclub name you should leave it up to the people who are fluent in English to decide the name; otherwise what you come up with sounds fine from a "I studied english definitions and this would make sense" perspective but sounds dumb from anyone who actually spent time speaking the language.

Also I don't check thread for a day and 5 pages...wtf?
kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
August 24 2011 02:17 GMT
#31186
On August 24 2011 10:44 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 03:14 ChinaLifeXXL wrote:
What do you call Kara fans? Like how SNSD fans are called sones or how Rainbow fans are called Leprechauns, for instance.

Because I'm not really sure what the singular of a Kara fan would be?

+ Show Spoiler +
Is Boram like 150cm?

Rainbow fans are officially Rain-nous, the "Prismatic" thing was what the international fans called themselves before DSP gave them an "official" name, and IMO they should have stuck with it. If you're going to have an English fanclub name you should leave it up to the people who are fluent in English to decide the name; otherwise what you come up with sounds fine from a "I studied english definitions and this would make sense" perspective but sounds dumb from anyone who actually spent time speaking the language.

Also I don't check thread for a day and 5 pages...wtf?


Prismatic would have been the best, us SC nerds would reply with a "prismatic core online" for every rainbow related news.
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
August 24 2011 02:29 GMT
#31187
On August 24 2011 09:02 Vharox wrote:
Am I the only one that dislikes Rain as an artist (as in not liking his music)? Or am I just jealous of his abs :o

Stephen Colbert
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OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 03:17:35
August 24 2011 03:17 GMT
#31188
On August 24 2011 02:20 EchoZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 02:18 Seditary wrote:


Also Leessang's new MV is out.


Lessang's MV is a work of art. LOEN really can make good MVs. First Sunny Hill's Pray now this

unfortunately the concept isnt new and they didnt put as much effort into it.
+ Show Spoiler [not kpop] +

s3x2-2 xiao3x2+2 bone3+2+2
USK
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
173 Posts
August 24 2011 03:23 GMT
#31189
Same thing happened to me as DystopiaX, I don't check the thread for 2 days or so since the ban and I am flooded with so many new pages and, in my personal opinion, I think this thread has taken a slight turn for the worse with all the arguments on art. As my English and Art of Film teacher put it (sorta, really bad paraphrase actually) "when you see art, you will know it." So, both sides are right...

Hopefully we can normalize and get back to the "real point" of the thread. I mean G.NA has a new music video and there is almost no response to it. Surprising for a mostly male forum.
Call Me Mr. Roller Coaster...
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
August 24 2011 03:25 GMT
#31190
I posted it right after the ban lifted; as much as I like G.Na the song is unfortunately kind of terrible, which sucks cause she's come out with decent songs before.
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
August 24 2011 03:33 GMT
#31191
I want a Bananas MV. That song sounded like it would be better.
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
USK
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
173 Posts
August 24 2011 03:41 GMT
#31192
Did they have a Bananas MV but just did not release it since it was banned right away? I was wondering since the teaser they released was of that song. I never really liked a song from G.Na though I still like her singing. Actually the best one for me, was that "rap ballad" off hyuna's album, was some of her earlier releases a little more moody like that?
Call Me Mr. Roller Coaster...
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
August 24 2011 03:50 GMT
#31193
to be honest the previous page was pretty hard to digest, save a couple of decent vids that were posted.

i mean why are we even discussing whether kpop is art.. -_-;;

lets get back on track people,

ok so recently i finally managed to find the time to watch my girlfriend is a gumiho, and was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the osts used in the drama, especially this.
+ Show Spoiler +
김태연 | 정은지 | 아이유 |  한효주 | 이민정 <3 -|||- 소녀시대 에이핑크 사랑해!
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
August 24 2011 03:58 GMT
#31194
On August 24 2011 12:41 USK wrote:
Did they have a Bananas MV but just did not release it since it was banned right away? I was wondering since the teaser they released was of that song. I never really liked a song from G.Na though I still like her singing. Actually the best one for me, was that "rap ballad" off hyuna's album, was some of her earlier releases a little more moody like that?

No, banana was going to be her follow up after top girl promos ended.
coreydota
Profile Joined October 2010
United States180 Posts
August 24 2011 04:09 GMT
#31195
On August 24 2011 07:23 MethodSC wrote:
I don't think you know the meaning of avid. There's so much music out there in the korean industry, and most of it is NOT cutesy or repetitive. You just need to look at places other than AKP for your music to find it. If all you know is girl groups and boy bands, you are definitely not an avid listener.


and i don't think you know the meaning of k-pop. i've enjoyed a lot of korean music that i wouldn't classify as k-pop. i have know idea why you thought my question was directed towards ALL korean music, but if you want to classify groups like epik high and clazziquai as "kpop," go ahead. btw can you give me the definition of avid because i'm not quite sure what it means. i used it just to look smart .
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
August 24 2011 04:29 GMT
#31196
On August 24 2011 12:50 Katsuge wrote:
to be honest the previous page was pretty hard to digest, save a couple of decent vids that were posted.

i mean why are we even discussing whether kpop is art.. -_-;;

lets get back on track people,

ok so recently i finally managed to find the time to watch my girlfriend is a gumiho, and was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the osts used in the drama, especially this.
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1I87SHTh9c


I actually heard this song on Seoul FM one time, and was quite surprised as it is a stylistically different song from what the station usually plays. Unfortunately I was playing TF2 at the time and couldn't catch the name, thanks for sharing!
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Vharox
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States1037 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 04:50:42
August 24 2011 04:48 GMT
#31197
On August 24 2011 12:17 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 02:20 EchoZ wrote:
On August 24 2011 02:18 Seditary wrote:


Also Leessang's new MV is out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HxaERgTNwY


Lessang's MV is a work of art. LOEN really can make good MVs. First Sunny Hill's Pray now this

unfortunately the concept isnt new and they didnt put as much effort into it.
+ Show Spoiler [not kpop] +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb9X5jMofEo&ob=av3e


I'd have to agree. I think these guys did it best:
+ Show Spoiler [omg not kpop] +
Seditary
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia7033 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 06:12:36
August 24 2011 05:39 GMT
#31198
Since I want to talk about Kpop and things related to it and not some bullshit jlim sparked off here's some things actually interesting:

1. Son Dambi is getting sued. Lots of this going about lately.
Cosmetics brand ‘Enprani‘ has announced that they will be canceling their contract with singer Son Dambi in addition to suing her for $1 million USD due to a breach of contract.

On August 24th, the Seoul Central District Court revealed that ‘Enprani’ had filed a lawsuit demanding $1 million USD for compensation in damages, as Son Dambi and Pledis Entertainment had breached their contract by endorsing ‘ELCA‘ and ‘MAC‘.

The head manager of ‘Enprani’ stated, “On October 14th, Son Dambi signed an exclusive contract with our company with a clause that prohibited her from working with other competing companies and/or other cosmetics advertisements and events. However, she breached the contract by modeling for ‘MAC’ cosmetics beginning May 24th.”

They continued, “‘MAC’ and ‘ELCA’ have been using Son Dambi as if she was their own model by including her in magazines, internet advertisements, and all other press releases with regards to their products.”

‘Enprani’ added, “Her agency made an excuse stating that ‘ELCA’ had used her portrait rights without permission for their advertisement and press releases. However, the fact that she promoted and advertised their products while still under contract with us can only be regarded as a breach of contract.”

‘Enprani’ is demanding $840,000 USD (double the amount of $420,000 they paid to Son Dambi and Pledis) on top of an additional $169,400 USD for production expenses used on her advertisements. The company filed an additional claim against ‘ELCA’ that’s estimated to be $300,000 USD.


Pledis have replied.
On August 24th, representatives of Pledis revealed to Star News, “‘MAC‘ was used as the sponsored cosmetics brand for SBS’s ‘Kiss & Cry‘ so every star on the show, including Son Dambi, received makeup on the show using the brand’s products. ‘MAC’ later included pictures of Son Dambi and the other stars wearing their makeup in their press releases to other media outlets like magazines.”

They continued, “Representatives of ‘MAC’ have continuously included photos of the stars as if they were promoting and advertising the brand. We have consistently asked for them to fix their press releases. ‘MAC’ admitted their mistake and sent an apology to both Pledis and ‘Enprani’ so we thought the situation was resolved, which is why this lawsuit has caught us by surprise.”


2. Hikkup is confirmed by SM to not be on the Korean album. No idea if it was and they pulled it because it leaked or not.

3. T-ara are saying goodbye to Roly Poly this week.
For their ‘Good Bye, Roly-Poly’ stages, the members will dress up in winter and summer school uniforms, exercise drill uniforms, girl scout uniforms and vintage clothes — all outfits that drew a wild response from their fans.


4. Music, from Suki, BGH to and a collabration called the Diva Project
+ Show Spoiler +

+ Show Spoiler +

+ Show Spoiler +
Love is more fun than hate.
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
August 24 2011 06:11 GMT
#31199
On August 24 2011 14:39 Seditary wrote:
2. Hikkup is confirmed by SM to not be on the Korean album. No idea if it was and they pulled it because it leaked or not.


Aww, that's too bad. I had high hopes for that one.
Shine[Kal] #1 fan
gokai
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States812 Posts
August 24 2011 07:00 GMT
#31200
Haha, it's pretty sick how much kpop artist work. I've seen an interview with U-kiss where they say they have no free time. They have a full schedule everyday with no free day throughout the year.

And the live performances you see are not actually live. They have to do a whole day of filming to get all the angels the tv show wants. Man, imagine performing the same song for a whole day straight. And that's only for one performance. They do serveral every week.

Plus most kpop group get money mainly from Japan. If you're not a part of the big three agencies, you barely make money in Korea. I remember reading a kpop artist makes 10 times what they make a year in Korea if they spend a month in Japan. Not surprising since selling 50,000 albums is consider pretty good in Korea.
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