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On July 28 2009 09:47 Mystlord wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2009 09:38 PH wrote:On July 28 2009 09:03 Mystlord wrote:On July 28 2009 07:36 triangle wrote:How can you even say such a thing when you haven't watched the two most obvious ones?
It's as if you've already given up hope that there might be a good anime out there, so you indulge yourself with moeblob anime and escape from reality? Dude, I like "deep" anime. At the same time, if I want philosophy, I'm picking up some Kant, not watching Texhnolyze.You need to consider the nature of the medium. There are certainly excellent artistic and thought-provoking animes, which I recommend people see. That said, the necessity to break the ideas down into 25 min segments, have a plot, etc, are not really the best way to spew theory. The format is built for entertainment. Wat. You can't even begin to compare Kant or any Enlightenment philosophers to animes like Texhnolyze. You can certainly compare Kant to Evangelion, but the entire Cyberpunk genre does not even come close to the philosophy of Kant. The 2nd paragraph I agree with to a certain extent, but I don't think the primary purpose of the work is entertainment. It's definitely there as a secondary goal, but the primary focus of philosophical animes is to get the point across. I haven't seen Evangelion (it's yet another one sitting on my hard drive), but from what I've heard about it, I always thought it was more sort of nihilist in theme...lol. Anyway...I don't like to think of anime in general on philosophical terms. Like I said before, from what I've seen, they tend to try to either go too deep and fail hard, or just keep a safe distance from the real meat of whatever ideas they explore. But that's a general statement...any form of entertainment mass media would be bad at that, be it Japanese anime or American TV. WAT!! How can you even judge philosophical animes if you haven't even seen one? I mean seriously. Not even one O_O What animes have you seen that are philosophical?
I don't consider many anime to have any real philosophical value. I never said I've never seen one, though I probably haven't seen many.
The ones that I consider to be deeper, or at least examine themes and ideas discussed commonly in philosophy in a mature manner would be the likes of Ghost in the Shell, Gunslinger Girl (surprisingly), Toradora! (I know you're laughing, but it's seriously one of the most mature presentations of mass-media existentialism I've yet to come across in a TV show), Planetes (another run of the mill mass-media existentialist series in the end, even if it had some interesting ethics shit), and umm...that's it off the top of my head. I probably haven't seen as many shows as you have period... :\
Let me reiterate all I was trying to say: Mass media entertainment formats are bad at seriously discussing or handling anything philosophical in any truly worthwhile sense.
On July 28 2009 10:01 Shauni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2009 09:47 Mystlord wrote:On July 28 2009 09:38 PH wrote:On July 28 2009 09:03 Mystlord wrote:On July 28 2009 07:36 triangle wrote:How can you even say such a thing when you haven't watched the two most obvious ones?
It's as if you've already given up hope that there might be a good anime out there, so you indulge yourself with moeblob anime and escape from reality? Dude, I like "deep" anime. At the same time, if I want philosophy, I'm picking up some Kant, not watching Texhnolyze.You need to consider the nature of the medium. There are certainly excellent artistic and thought-provoking animes, which I recommend people see. That said, the necessity to break the ideas down into 25 min segments, have a plot, etc, are not really the best way to spew theory. The format is built for entertainment. Wat. You can't even begin to compare Kant or any Enlightenment philosophers to animes like Texhnolyze. You can certainly compare Kant to Evangelion, but the entire Cyberpunk genre does not even come close to the philosophy of Kant. The 2nd paragraph I agree with to a certain extent, but I don't think the primary purpose of the work is entertainment. It's definitely there as a secondary goal, but the primary focus of philosophical animes is to get the point across. I haven't seen Evangelion (it's yet another one sitting on my hard drive), but from what I've heard about it, I always thought it was more sort of nihilist in theme...lol. Anyway...I don't like to think of anime in general on philosophical terms. Like I said before, from what I've seen, they tend to try to either go too deep and fail hard, or just keep a safe distance from the real meat of whatever ideas they explore. But that's a general statement...any form of entertainment mass media would be bad at that, be it Japanese anime or American TV. WAT!! How can you even judge philosophical animes if you haven't even seen one? I mean seriously. Not even one O_O What animes have you seen that are philosophical? That's exactly what I was asking before wasn't it (but he was all childish with this 'I can't hear you I can't hear you' attitude)... Oh, but I think Evangelion is more psychology than philosophy by the way. I don't want to say more than that because Evangelion debates always turn out nasty (especially if Ecael comes back heh heh). And my point wasn't that an anime has to be 'deep' or philosophical for me to consider it genuinely good, only that I prefer those who are thought-provoking even if it's on a small scale. As an example, I saw Honey and Clover a few days ago. It's mainly a slice of life comedy, yet because of the reflecting dialogues it is also thought-provoking even if it's in an everyday kind of way. Not my favourite by far, but it still shows how you can integrate interesting dialogue in even the most simple type of shows.
And my point was that a show can stand out for its technical production, and not just its depth/writing/plot.
I think Kyoto Animation does the visual presentation thing better than any other studio I've seen the work of. That's all I'm saying.
You can disagree with me, that's entirely your right. My problem with you is that you seem to take it personally that I don't agree with you. What was it you said before? Something like how people like me make you lose faith in humanity? That's childish...the kind of attitude expected of a teenager. That attitude of yours is what prevents me from saying anything to you in a serious manner of any sort.
A thought provoking anime is good, and honestly, probably makes for better anime in general. But, once again, that has nothing to do with what I've been saying.
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Evangelion draws largely from Kierkegaard and Nietzsche and was built around Hideaki Anno's own struggles with depression, so yeah there's plenty of philosophy in there with the psychology and the philosophy is really the show's core.
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Spare me, I was having such a good time watching you people duke it out. Don't pull me back in about some discussion about the value of Eva :p
Besides, I've always been civil about Eva! I don't believe at all what people claim to be its values, but what the heck as long as they don't tell me I am an idiot for that, all is well. ^^
If this gets too bad though I am going to find Kona and forcibly change the subject to some random moe-blob, beware.
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konadora
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Wtf Fall Chart already out?
Summer just started >__>
Anyway, watching G.A at the moment, it's so cute and lighthearted haha
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konadora
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Wait
What
WINTER SONATA?
LOL
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Does anyone have an idea how many episodes the new side story for Toaru Majutsu no index will have?
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wtf no new season of Nodame Cantabile??
T_T
And why the fuck does Queens Blade get a sequel?
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They need to correct the Darker than Black description, since we in fact have seen no information about Hei and Yin showing up in the second season. So far all we saw is something like a mahou shoujo jig where two girls do school stuff by day and contractor stuff at night. Sigh.
Kobato can be completely awesome or a flunk, I hope it works out well here.
Winter Sonata...my cousins are going to be happy lol.
White Album finishing up at last, my excuses to not play the game fading away. 11 eyes anime, wondering which version of the game they will take. Either way it is a pretty damned epic game. Ayane for OP/ED please!
Nogizaka Haruka...did anyone watch season one? I am tempted to add the books on my reading list.
A bunch of other things, from the first glance looks like an interesting season. Hopefully it will mean more fair quality reading material for me.
Oh yeah, then there is railgun, which we all know will be excellent. No Index, plenty of Misaka, materials for win and awesome right there.
Genwar, Railgun probably can't go for more than 13 episodes. The manga barely went for more than 3 volumes in terms of released stuff so far.
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Probably just an OVA series then for it.
Does White Album the anime get any good, I stopped watching around episode 2 or so.
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On July 28 2009 12:54 genwar wrote:
Probably just an OVA series then for it.
Was White Album the anime get any good, I stopped watching around episode 2 or so.
It felt good, but I convinced myself to just wait for the whole thing to release and/or play the original game. Did anyone actually watch the half a season?
OVA is unlikely imo, at least far as I can recall the Index-tan specials didn't call the release one.
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konadora
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@Ecael:
I read reviews that Nogizaka Haruka is very good, should try watching it. Same goes for me too lol.
I want to watch Railgun, but need to finish Index first T___T
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On July 28 2009 12:55 konadora wrote:
@Ecael:
I read reviews that Nogizaka Haruka is very good, should try watching it. Same goes for me too lol.
I want to watch Railgun, but need to finish Index first T___T
17 volumes of easy light novel, you can do it Kona~
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konadora
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Wow man, GA is so hilarious and cute hahahaha
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O right, fall has Darker than Black S2 and yet another adaptation of ROTK that will probably suck but i will proly watch anyways because i'm just such a big fan of the work.... though the involvement of a chinese company kind of gives hope
o and winter sonata lol
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Mystlord
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On July 28 2009 10:01 Shauni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2009 09:47 Mystlord wrote:On July 28 2009 09:38 PH wrote:On July 28 2009 09:03 Mystlord wrote:On July 28 2009 07:36 triangle wrote:How can you even say such a thing when you haven't watched the two most obvious ones?
It's as if you've already given up hope that there might be a good anime out there, so you indulge yourself with moeblob anime and escape from reality? Dude, I like "deep" anime. At the same time, if I want philosophy, I'm picking up some Kant, not watching Texhnolyze.You need to consider the nature of the medium. There are certainly excellent artistic and thought-provoking animes, which I recommend people see. That said, the necessity to break the ideas down into 25 min segments, have a plot, etc, are not really the best way to spew theory. The format is built for entertainment. Wat. You can't even begin to compare Kant or any Enlightenment philosophers to animes like Texhnolyze. You can certainly compare Kant to Evangelion, but the entire Cyberpunk genre does not even come close to the philosophy of Kant. The 2nd paragraph I agree with to a certain extent, but I don't think the primary purpose of the work is entertainment. It's definitely there as a secondary goal, but the primary focus of philosophical animes is to get the point across. I haven't seen Evangelion (it's yet another one sitting on my hard drive), but from what I've heard about it, I always thought it was more sort of nihilist in theme...lol. Anyway...I don't like to think of anime in general on philosophical terms. Like I said before, from what I've seen, they tend to try to either go too deep and fail hard, or just keep a safe distance from the real meat of whatever ideas they explore. But that's a general statement...any form of entertainment mass media would be bad at that, be it Japanese anime or American TV. WAT!! How can you even judge philosophical animes if you haven't even seen one? I mean seriously. Not even one O_O What animes have you seen that are philosophical? That's exactly what I was asking before wasn't it (but he was all childish with this 'I can't hear you I can't hear you' attitude)... Oh, but I think Evangelion is more psychology than philosophy by the way. I don't want to say more than that because Evangelion debates always turn out nasty (especially if Ecael comes back heh heh). And my point wasn't that an anime has to be 'deep' or philosophical for me to consider it genuinely good, only that I prefer those who are thought-provoking even if it's on a small scale. As an example, I saw Honey and Clover a few days ago. It's mainly a slice of life comedy, yet it has reflecting dialogues and characters even if it's in an everyday kind of way. Not my favourite by far, but it'll still display how you could integrate interesting dialogue in even the most simple type of shows.
I think Evangelion is a mix of psychology and philosophy. But yeah, Evangelion does primarily concern psychology. I just like to group it with philosophical animes so I don't have to say philosophical/psychological 
On July 28 2009 10:23 Nylan wrote:
Evangelion draws largely from Kierkegaard and Nietzsche and was built around Hideaki Anno's own struggles with depression, so yeah there's plenty of philosophy in there with the psychology and the philosophy is really the show's core.
Those two are hardly the only influence. Freud and Jung also play a large part in the psychological element of Evangelion along with others.
On July 28 2009 12:28 Ecael wrote:
Spare me, I was having such a good time watching you people duke it out. Don't pull me back in about some discussion about the value of Eva :p
Besides, I've always been civil about Eva! I don't believe at all what people claim to be its values, but what the heck as long as they don't tell me I am an idiot for that, all is well. ^^
If this gets too bad though I am going to find Kona and forcibly change the subject to some random moe-blob, beware.
I'm interested in your opinion. Mind directing me to the page where this conversation and apparently your Eva reputation came from? :D
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konadora
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On July 28 2009 13:43 Mystlord wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2009 10:23 Nylan wrote:
Evangelion draws largely from Kierkegaard and Nietzsche and was built around Hideaki Anno's own struggles with depression, so yeah there's plenty of philosophy in there with the psychology and the philosophy is really the show's core. Those two are hardly the only influence. Freud and Jung also play a large part in the psychological element of Evangelion along with others.
Certainly  Those were just the two that came to mind.
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Nogizaka Haruka anime is like the ultimate in moe cutesy goody goody romance comedy. It has absolutely zero depth and a weird balance of ecchi and sometimes kidsy humor. It's one of the most brainless series I've ever seen, but somehow still manages to be entertaining.
I'd give it a go if you like that kind of thing, but only if you do. If you're not a huge fan, you're going to hate that show even more than K-On!.
I wanted to read the manga, but no one to my knowledge is translating it. ):
One group did the first chapter or two then stopped. I liked the MC a lot better in the manga than the anime. I also cant stand the main girl's seiyuu in the anime...she annoys the hell out of me.
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