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On July 27 2009 19:56 PH wrote:
lol really?
You still haven't gotten over yourself?
I really hope you're not as big of a douche in real life. It's hard to support yourself outside of your parents' house with an attitude like that.
I don't see how my real life situation has anything to do with my opinions about anime. Haha. Come up with some real arguments instead of trying to attack my persona. My point was only that you'll miss out on a lot of good anime if you judge them by the quality of the animation.
Also, I doubt anyone who sees KyoAni as the best animation studio would appreciate philosophical anime like Texhnolyze and Lain... Especially the latter since Lain doesn't rely on 'good' animation at all and the art is very different from your typical moeblob anime.
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Lain is my favorite show ever, and Kyoani is my favorite studio.
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On July 23 2009 19:36 PH wrote:
New post...list is really long now, lol.
Bad:
Superior Subs
Teki
KGsubs (FUCKING TERRIBLE according to Testie)
Shameless-Moon
Darksoul
Decent:
Chihiro
BSS
Himatsubushi?
Shinsen (inconsistent...sometimes good, sometimes, "Well... You know..." according to Mystlord)
Shinji ("they're ok" according to Shauni)
Good:
Mazui?
gg
qq/ii?
mendoi-conclave
A-One
A-Keep
A.F.K.
Lunar
Eclipse
DB
KAA (DVD Only)
Anbu
Nanashi
Frostii
Yuki (they're still supposed to be under "good"?)
Aarinfantasy
Aayu
Wind
SubsF***Where (SFW) (Is that the actual name with the asterisks?)
wow, thanks for this list
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On July 27 2009 23:15 Shauni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2009 19:56 PH wrote:
lol really?
You still haven't gotten over yourself?
I really hope you're not as big of a douche in real life. It's hard to support yourself outside of your parents' house with an attitude like that.
I don't see how my real life situation has anything to do with my opinions about anime. Haha. Come up with some real arguments instead of trying to attack my persona. My point was only that you'll miss out on a lot of good anime if you judge them by the quality of the animation. Also, I doubt anyone who sees KyoAni as the best animation studio would appreciate philosophical anime like Texhnolyze and Lain... Especially the latter since Lain doesn't rely on 'good' animation at all and the art is very different from your typical moeblob anime.
I've watched a ton of philosophical animes. But it's nice to just wind down once in a while with some other animes in there like those from KyoAni.
Come now Shauni, even you have to indulge the child inside of you once in a while.
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princess lover is the new it anime man. Its the best anime this summer
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On July 27 2009 23:15 Shauni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2009 19:56 PH wrote:
lol really?
You still haven't gotten over yourself?
I really hope you're not as big of a douche in real life. It's hard to support yourself outside of your parents' house with an attitude like that.
I don't see how my real life situation has anything to do with my opinions about anime. Haha. Come up with some real arguments instead of trying to attack my persona. My point was only that you'll miss out on a lot of good anime if you judge them by the quality of the animation. Also, I doubt anyone who sees KyoAni as the best animation studio would appreciate philosophical anime like Texhnolyze and Lain... Especially the latter since Lain doesn't rely on 'good' animation at all and the art is very different from your typical moeblob anime.
LOL.
You're still stuck in the same rut you were since the first time around.
You know nothing about me or my tastes in anime, except that I do believe KyoAni is quite possibly produces the best weekly anime on a technical level. You don't even understand what that means, and instead let your biased and personal dislike of the anime they produce to somehow form a personal opinion against me.
And "philosophical anime"...I'm sorry, but there has yet to be an anime that truly approaches any philosophical subject with any real depth and maturity. The smart ones avoid going too deep and thus are able to retain dignity and maturity, and the dumb ones try to go too deep and end up getting burned. You're grasping for straws if you have to pull something like that.
You're making assumptions, ignoring what you want, and are trying to come off as some "deep person" who abhors anything that lacks depth. I don't care if you can't stand to watch a single episode of the likes of K-On! or some shit, trust me, I completely understand. Your problem is your elitist attitude towards it that makes you believe you're so much deeper, intelligent and better a person than I, or anyone else capable of placing respect where it is properly due.
Despite K-On!'s constant shoving saccharine moe cutesy-ness down your throat, even that show was one of the best animated of its season. There were jokes in that show that simply could not have been pulled off by most other animation studios because they relied on the motion.
I'll be nice and explain what this means to you.
The technical aspect of a piece of media is separate from the subject/content of it. A painting has its theme, its motif, whatever the artist is trying to express. It also has the quality of brushstrokes, the composition, the overall execution of that idea.
An anime (and any other media form) works the same way. You have the story, plot, theme(s), characters that constitute the content aspect. That is up to the writers and whatnot. A show can have the best story, but as a TV show or movie and as an anime period, it must present itself visually, aurally, etc. This is where the technical side kicks in. This is the presentation of the story and ideas.
KyoAni presented and executed anime like Haruhi Season 1, Kanon and Clannad nearly to perfection. They took what they were given and executed whatever it was beautifully. The same goes for the likes of Fumoffu! and K-On!. Those aren't shows you go to look for depth, and in producing the final product that we see, KyoAni didn't shove any in there. The art style is simpler, but the animation still holds up.
Sure, there are deeper shows out there with more depth content-wise that KyoAni simply seems to have no interest in, BUT...and here is the GREAT BIG POINT OF THIS ENTIRE POST:
BUT...THAT IS A SEPARATE ISSUE ALTOGETHER COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO MY CLAIM.
End of discussion.
On July 28 2009 02:17 EpiK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2009 19:36 PH wrote:
New post...list is really long now, lol.
Bad:
Superior Subs
Teki
KGsubs (FUCKING TERRIBLE according to Testie)
Shameless-Moon
Darksoul
Decent:
Chihiro
BSS
Himatsubushi?
Shinsen (inconsistent...sometimes good, sometimes, "Well... You know..." according to Mystlord)
Shinji ("they're ok" according to Shauni)
Good:
Mazui?
gg
qq/ii?
mendoi-conclave
A-One
A-Keep
A.F.K.
Lunar
Eclipse
DB
KAA (DVD Only)
Anbu
Nanashi
Frostii
Yuki (they're still supposed to be under "good"?)
Aarinfantasy
Aayu
Wind
SubsF***Where (SFW) (Is that the actual name with the asterisks?) wow, thanks for this list
Take the list with a grain of salt, though. Some ppl have argued over what should go where, and a lot of the subbers on the list are inactive. :X
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The anime thread is no place for petty arguments.
This is not a politics thread!
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On July 28 2009 04:55 PH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2009 23:15 Shauni wrote:On July 27 2009 19:56 PH wrote:
lol really?
You still haven't gotten over yourself?
I really hope you're not as big of a douche in real life. It's hard to support yourself outside of your parents' house with an attitude like that.
I don't see how my real life situation has anything to do with my opinions about anime. Haha. Come up with some real arguments instead of trying to attack my persona. My point was only that you'll miss out on a lot of good anime if you judge them by the quality of the animation. Also, I doubt anyone who sees KyoAni as the best animation studio would appreciate philosophical anime like Texhnolyze and Lain... Especially the latter since Lain doesn't rely on 'good' animation at all and the art is very different from your typical moeblob anime. And "philosophical anime"...I'm sorry, but there has yet to be an anime that truly approaches any philosophical subject with any real depth and maturity. The smart ones avoid going too deep and thus are able to retain dignity and maturity, and the dumb ones try to go too deep and end up getting burned. You're grasping for straws if you have to pull something like that.
How can you even say such a thing when you haven't watched the two most obvious ones?
It's as if you've already given up hope that there might be a good anime out there, so you indulge yourself with moeblob anime and escape from reality?
On July 27 2009 19:56 PH wrote:
You're making assumptions, ignoring what you want, and are trying to come off as some "deep person" who abhors anything that lacks depth. I don't care if you can't stand to watch a single episode of the likes of K-On! or some shit, trust me, I completely understand. Your problem is your elitist attitude towards it that makes you believe you're so much deeper, intelligent and better a person than I, or anyone else capable of placing respect where it is properly due.
Despite K-On!'s constant shoving saccharine moe cutesy-ness down your throat, even that show was one of the best animated of its season. There were jokes in that show that simply could not have been pulled off by most other animation studios because they relied on the motion.
I endured whole K-On! while it was airing and I certainly don't look down on people who enjoyed it. I don't know why you think I'm a 'deep person' and elitist just because I'm arguing with you? I have probably watched and enjoyed even more typical high school comedies than you. It's just that I don't try to pretend that they are more than that. When you try to explain that these types of anime can be more than what they are even if it's on a technical level, of course it irritates me. Why would you even praise such a thing? It's like you have this pile of shit and you decorate it by putting flowers in it, it still doesn't make it less of a pile of shit. An anime with bad content can never be weighed up by 'good' technical abilities of the animation studio. And I still do not understand what kind of abilities KyoAni has which other animation studio's lack. This is a genuine question, so can't you give me concrete examples?
Also, the thing about motion and jokes, what do you mean exactly? What makes the motion in KyoAni's productions different from other animation studios and why would it help the jokes?
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Lain is my favorite show ever, and Kyoani is my favorite studio. I like how you completely ignored my post :p
How can you even say such a thing when you haven't watched the two most obvious ones?
It's as if you've already given up hope that there might be a good anime out there, so you indulge yourself with moeblob anime and escape from reality? Dude, I like "deep" anime. At the same time, if I want philosophy, I'm picking up some Kant, not watching Texhnolyze.
You need to consider the nature of the medium. There are certainly excellent artistic and thought-provoking animes, which I recommend people see. That said, the necessity to break the ideas down into 25 min segments, have a plot, etc, are not really the best way to spew theory. The format is built for entertainment.
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aers
United States1210 Posts
Can we not lump BSS with Chihiro please 
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On July 28 2009 06:16 Shauni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2009 04:55 PH wrote:On July 27 2009 23:15 Shauni wrote:On July 27 2009 19:56 PH wrote:
lol really?
You still haven't gotten over yourself?
I really hope you're not as big of a douche in real life. It's hard to support yourself outside of your parents' house with an attitude like that.
I don't see how my real life situation has anything to do with my opinions about anime. Haha. Come up with some real arguments instead of trying to attack my persona. My point was only that you'll miss out on a lot of good anime if you judge them by the quality of the animation. Also, I doubt anyone who sees KyoAni as the best animation studio would appreciate philosophical anime like Texhnolyze and Lain... Especially the latter since Lain doesn't rely on 'good' animation at all and the art is very different from your typical moeblob anime. And "philosophical anime"...I'm sorry, but there has yet to be an anime that truly approaches any philosophical subject with any real depth and maturity. The smart ones avoid going too deep and thus are able to retain dignity and maturity, and the dumb ones try to go too deep and end up getting burned. You're grasping for straws if you have to pull something like that. How can you even say such a thing when you haven't watched the two most obvious ones? It's as if you've already given up hope that there might be a good anime out there, so you indulge yourself with moeblob anime and escape from reality? Show nested quote +On July 27 2009 19:56 PH wrote:
You're making assumptions, ignoring what you want, and are trying to come off as some "deep person" who abhors anything that lacks depth. I don't care if you can't stand to watch a single episode of the likes of K-On! or some shit, trust me, I completely understand. Your problem is your elitist attitude towards it that makes you believe you're so much deeper, intelligent and better a person than I, or anyone else capable of placing respect where it is properly due.
Despite K-On!'s constant shoving saccharine moe cutesy-ness down your throat, even that show was one of the best animated of its season. There were jokes in that show that simply could not have been pulled off by most other animation studios because they relied on the motion.
I endured whole K-On! while it was airing and I certainly don't look down on people who enjoyed it. I don't know why you think I'm a 'deep person' and elitist just because I'm arguing with you? I have probably watched and enjoyed even more typical high school comedies than you. It's just that I don't try to pretend that they are more than that. When you try to explain that these types of anime can be more than what they are even if it's on a technical level, of course it irritates me. Why would you even praise such a thing? It's like you have this pile of shit and you decorate it by putting flowers in it, it still doesn't make it less of a pile of shit. An anime with bad content can never be weighed up by 'good' technical abilities of the animation studio. And I still do not understand what kind of abilities KyoAni has which other animation studio's lack. This is a genuine question, so can't you give me concrete examples? Also, the thing about motion and jokes, what do you mean exactly? What makes the motion in KyoAni's productions different from other animation studios and why would it help the jokes?
I give up. You're arguing because you don't want to be wrong now.
Whatever you want, man. You win, I don't even give a shit anymore.
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If it's a sin to like all of ef, Evangelion, Space Battleship Yamato, and Cardcaptor Sakura, then send me to purgatory.
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On July 28 2009 07:59 aers wrote:Can we not lump BSS with Chihiro please
I have to agree with this, Chihiro is just bad, and BSS is fast and quite good in terms of translation (in my opinion)
Still, the best way to find the best fansub group for a certain series is by simply checking the series' page on myanimelist. I said this earlier, but it looks like it was ignored.
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Still, the best way to find the best fansub group for a certain series is by simply checking the series' page on myanimelist. QFT. This is a terrific way to do it.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On July 28 2009 07:36 triangle wrote:Show nested quote +How can you even say such a thing when you haven't watched the two most obvious ones?
It's as if you've already given up hope that there might be a good anime out there, so you indulge yourself with moeblob anime and escape from reality? Dude, I like "deep" anime. At the same time, if I want philosophy, I'm picking up some Kant, not watching Texhnolyze.You need to consider the nature of the medium. There are certainly excellent artistic and thought-provoking animes, which I recommend people see. That said, the necessity to break the ideas down into 25 min segments, have a plot, etc, are not really the best way to spew theory. The format is built for entertainment.
Wat. You can't even begin to compare Kant or any Enlightenment philosophers to animes like Texhnolyze. You can certainly compare Kant to Evangelion, but the entire Cyberpunk genre does not even come close to the philosophy of Kant.
The 2nd paragraph I agree with to a certain extent, but I don't think the primary purpose of the work is entertainment. It's definitely there as a secondary goal, but the primary focus of philosophical animes is to get the point across.
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On July 28 2009 09:03 Mystlord wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2009 07:36 triangle wrote:How can you even say such a thing when you haven't watched the two most obvious ones?
It's as if you've already given up hope that there might be a good anime out there, so you indulge yourself with moeblob anime and escape from reality? Dude, I like "deep" anime. At the same time, if I want philosophy, I'm picking up some Kant, not watching Texhnolyze.You need to consider the nature of the medium. There are certainly excellent artistic and thought-provoking animes, which I recommend people see. That said, the necessity to break the ideas down into 25 min segments, have a plot, etc, are not really the best way to spew theory. The format is built for entertainment. Wat. You can't even begin to compare Kant or any Enlightenment philosophers to animes like Texhnolyze. You can certainly compare Kant to Evangelion, but the entire Cyberpunk genre does not even come close to the philosophy of Kant. The 2nd paragraph I agree with to a certain extent, but I don't think the primary purpose of the work is entertainment. It's definitely there as a secondary goal, but the primary focus of philosophical animes is to get the point across.
I haven't seen Evangelion (it's yet another one sitting on my hard drive), but from what I've heard about it, I always thought it was more sort of nihilist in theme...lol.
Anyway...I don't like to think of anime in general on philosophical terms. Like I said before, from what I've seen, they tend to try to either go too deep and fail hard, or just keep a safe distance from the real meat of whatever ideas they explore.
But that's a general statement...any form of entertainment mass media would be bad at that, be it Japanese anime or American TV.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On July 28 2009 09:38 PH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2009 09:03 Mystlord wrote:On July 28 2009 07:36 triangle wrote:How can you even say such a thing when you haven't watched the two most obvious ones?
It's as if you've already given up hope that there might be a good anime out there, so you indulge yourself with moeblob anime and escape from reality? Dude, I like "deep" anime. At the same time, if I want philosophy, I'm picking up some Kant, not watching Texhnolyze.You need to consider the nature of the medium. There are certainly excellent artistic and thought-provoking animes, which I recommend people see. That said, the necessity to break the ideas down into 25 min segments, have a plot, etc, are not really the best way to spew theory. The format is built for entertainment. Wat. You can't even begin to compare Kant or any Enlightenment philosophers to animes like Texhnolyze. You can certainly compare Kant to Evangelion, but the entire Cyberpunk genre does not even come close to the philosophy of Kant. The 2nd paragraph I agree with to a certain extent, but I don't think the primary purpose of the work is entertainment. It's definitely there as a secondary goal, but the primary focus of philosophical animes is to get the point across. I haven't seen Evangelion (it's yet another one sitting on my hard drive), but from what I've heard about it, I always thought it was more sort of nihilist in theme...lol. Anyway...I don't like to think of anime in general on philosophical terms. Like I said before, from what I've seen, they tend to try to either go too deep and fail hard, or just keep a safe distance from the real meat of whatever ideas they explore. But that's a general statement...any form of entertainment mass media would be bad at that, be it Japanese anime or American TV.
WAT!! How can you even judge philosophical animes if you haven't even seen one? I mean seriously. Not even one O_O What animes have you seen that are philosophical?
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On July 28 2009 09:03 Mystlord wrote:
Wat. You can't even begin to compare Kant or any Enlightenment philosophers to animes like Texhnolyze.
He wasn't comparing them.
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On July 28 2009 09:47 Mystlord wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2009 09:38 PH wrote:On July 28 2009 09:03 Mystlord wrote:On July 28 2009 07:36 triangle wrote:How can you even say such a thing when you haven't watched the two most obvious ones?
It's as if you've already given up hope that there might be a good anime out there, so you indulge yourself with moeblob anime and escape from reality? Dude, I like "deep" anime. At the same time, if I want philosophy, I'm picking up some Kant, not watching Texhnolyze.You need to consider the nature of the medium. There are certainly excellent artistic and thought-provoking animes, which I recommend people see. That said, the necessity to break the ideas down into 25 min segments, have a plot, etc, are not really the best way to spew theory. The format is built for entertainment. Wat. You can't even begin to compare Kant or any Enlightenment philosophers to animes like Texhnolyze. You can certainly compare Kant to Evangelion, but the entire Cyberpunk genre does not even come close to the philosophy of Kant. The 2nd paragraph I agree with to a certain extent, but I don't think the primary purpose of the work is entertainment. It's definitely there as a secondary goal, but the primary focus of philosophical animes is to get the point across. I haven't seen Evangelion (it's yet another one sitting on my hard drive), but from what I've heard about it, I always thought it was more sort of nihilist in theme...lol. Anyway...I don't like to think of anime in general on philosophical terms. Like I said before, from what I've seen, they tend to try to either go too deep and fail hard, or just keep a safe distance from the real meat of whatever ideas they explore. But that's a general statement...any form of entertainment mass media would be bad at that, be it Japanese anime or American TV. WAT!! How can you even judge philosophical animes if you haven't even seen one? I mean seriously. Not even one O_O What animes have you seen that are philosophical?
That's exactly what I was asking before wasn't it (but he was all childish with this 'I can't hear you I can't hear you' attitude)... Oh, but I think Evangelion is more psychology than philosophy by the way. I don't want to say more than that because Evangelion debates always turn out nasty (especially if Ecael comes back heh heh).
And my point wasn't that an anime has to be 'deep' or philosophical for me to consider it genuinely good, only that I prefer those who are thought-provoking even if it's on a small scale. As an example, I saw Honey and Clover a few days ago. It's mainly a slice of life comedy, yet it has reflecting dialogues and characters even if it's in an everyday kind of way. Not my favourite by far, but it'll still display how you could integrate interesting dialogue in even the most simple type of shows.
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lol I just discovered I have an anime channel on my cable, 3 moths after changing it
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