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On February 01 2011 10:26 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 10:12 Thratur wrote:On February 01 2011 10:06 Spazer wrote:On February 01 2011 09:53 Thratur wrote:LoGH 69-70 + Show Spoiler +70 started well with great intelligence warfare.
It ended in the worst possible fight I've ever seen... Seriously, I am very disappointed by this episode. I feel cheated by it. It's the second time they capture Iserhorln with a cheap trick. Once was good, twice I can't accept it...
I guess I'll just ignore this episode and accept what happened, but I really did not enjoy it. I felt like I was watching Gundam Seed/00 again >< + Show Spoiler +So you wanted Yang to take back Iserlohn in a straightforward fight? That's impossible. Yang is heavily outnumbered to begin with - Lutz's fleet has at least ten times the number of ships he does. In addition, you're forgetting that Iserlohn is a fucking invulnerable fortress with a super powerful cannon. It's literally impossible to fight an enemy who has a numerical and positional advantage and still win.
Also, the Alliance has tried to take Iserlohn by force many times in the past. They failed every time. Tricks are cheap, but they work, and in combat, results are everything. Even if capturing Iserlohn through normal combat was possible, there would be a huge number of unnecessary losses. Yang's not the kind of guy who would ignore that. + Show Spoiler +It is true that there is no way Yang could have gotten back Iserlohn in a straightforward fight. But my point is that there should be no way he could have gotten it back even by tricks. I agree that it's better to use tricks than huge losses, but I did not think those were realistic at all. There are so many things that could have gone wrong with this plan... but I don't want to get into an argument about it. Imo, they should have just lost the battle, or taking it while Lutz fleet was ordered to leave the fortress by some surround strategy, or use some clever tactics to neutralize the cannon. I was satisfied with the intelligence warfare and it could have been enough to convince me, but not the deactivation of the cannon/no scouting ship from the fortress/the hidden command center to use the cannon/Rosenritters being imbalanced all over again/a very poor defense plan. + Show Spoiler +In Golden Wings (the movie which pissed me off to no end), the Alliance tried to take Iserlohn. Except in the movie it wasn't Iserlohn, it was the Death Star. Anyway, the Alliance attacked it with 40k ships, and Yang was present. The idea was to lure the station fleet out, attack and force a retreat, and then follow the station fleet back to Iserlohn, using the Imperial ships as a shield against the Thor Hammer. It was working (and actually damaged Iserlohn because it was actually the Death Star), but then the Empire decided to just shoot through their own fleet, and decimated the Alliance forces. IDK how canon this is, since Iserlohn getting damaged directly contradicts the main series, but take that for what you will.
Point being, even if you do something to take out the Station Fleet, they still have the Thor Hammer, and you can't do anything about that unless you can somehow neutralize the gun. The only possible strategies would be to take it from the inside (basically what was used both times), or to try and beseige and starve them out... And lets be honest, since its been said that Iserlohn can be entirely self-sufficient, the Yang-fleet had neither the resources nor time to try this.
+ Show Spoiler +I'm not really ranting at Yang for doing this. It's actually very clever of him. I'm directing my hate towards the plot. I just feel like it was a very poorly written part full of plot holes...
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On February 01 2011 10:28 Thratur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 10:26 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2011 10:12 Thratur wrote:On February 01 2011 10:06 Spazer wrote:On February 01 2011 09:53 Thratur wrote:LoGH 69-70 + Show Spoiler +70 started well with great intelligence warfare.
It ended in the worst possible fight I've ever seen... Seriously, I am very disappointed by this episode. I feel cheated by it. It's the second time they capture Iserhorln with a cheap trick. Once was good, twice I can't accept it...
I guess I'll just ignore this episode and accept what happened, but I really did not enjoy it. I felt like I was watching Gundam Seed/00 again >< + Show Spoiler +So you wanted Yang to take back Iserlohn in a straightforward fight? That's impossible. Yang is heavily outnumbered to begin with - Lutz's fleet has at least ten times the number of ships he does. In addition, you're forgetting that Iserlohn is a fucking invulnerable fortress with a super powerful cannon. It's literally impossible to fight an enemy who has a numerical and positional advantage and still win.
Also, the Alliance has tried to take Iserlohn by force many times in the past. They failed every time. Tricks are cheap, but they work, and in combat, results are everything. Even if capturing Iserlohn through normal combat was possible, there would be a huge number of unnecessary losses. Yang's not the kind of guy who would ignore that. + Show Spoiler +It is true that there is no way Yang could have gotten back Iserlohn in a straightforward fight. But my point is that there should be no way he could have gotten it back even by tricks. I agree that it's better to use tricks than huge losses, but I did not think those were realistic at all. There are so many things that could have gone wrong with this plan... but I don't want to get into an argument about it. Imo, they should have just lost the battle, or taking it while Lutz fleet was ordered to leave the fortress by some surround strategy, or use some clever tactics to neutralize the cannon. I was satisfied with the intelligence warfare and it could have been enough to convince me, but not the deactivation of the cannon/no scouting ship from the fortress/the hidden command center to use the cannon/Rosenritters being imbalanced all over again/a very poor defense plan. + Show Spoiler +In Golden Wings (the movie which pissed me off to no end), the Alliance tried to take Iserlohn. Except in the movie it wasn't Iserlohn, it was the Death Star. Anyway, the Alliance attacked it with 40k ships, and Yang was present. The idea was to lure the station fleet out, attack and force a retreat, and then follow the station fleet back to Iserlohn, using the Imperial ships as a shield against the Thor Hammer. It was working (and actually damaged Iserlohn because it was actually the Death Star), but then the Empire decided to just shoot through their own fleet, and decimated the Alliance forces. IDK how canon this is, since Iserlohn getting damaged directly contradicts the main series, but take that for what you will.
Point being, even if you do something to take out the Station Fleet, they still have the Thor Hammer, and you can't do anything about that unless you can somehow neutralize the gun. The only possible strategies would be to take it from the inside (basically what was used both times), or to try and beseige and starve them out... And lets be honest, since its been said that Iserlohn can be entirely self-sufficient, the Yang-fleet had neither the resources nor time to try this. + Show Spoiler +I'm not really ranting at Yang for doing this. It's actually very clever of him. I'm directing my hate towards the plot. I just feel like it was a very poorly written part full of plot holes...
+ Show Spoiler +The recapture of Iserlohn was an inevitable plot point if the story was to continue. The battle of Astate and Amlitzer essentially sealed the fate of the Alliance. They have too few ships to, well, do anything. Taking a fleet on head on is suicide at this point since a war of attrition will result in a surefire loss. The Yang fleet needs a place to restock and resupply. In addition, this place must provide some sort of advantage since a visit by an Imperial fleet spells doom. The logical conclusion is to retake Iserlohn (which is possible due to Yang's foresight), as they can hold out for a long time there.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that Iserlohn had to be retaken sooner or later.
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On February 01 2011 10:28 Thratur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 10:26 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2011 10:12 Thratur wrote:On February 01 2011 10:06 Spazer wrote:On February 01 2011 09:53 Thratur wrote:LoGH 69-70 + Show Spoiler +70 started well with great intelligence warfare.
It ended in the worst possible fight I've ever seen... Seriously, I am very disappointed by this episode. I feel cheated by it. It's the second time they capture Iserhorln with a cheap trick. Once was good, twice I can't accept it...
I guess I'll just ignore this episode and accept what happened, but I really did not enjoy it. I felt like I was watching Gundam Seed/00 again >< + Show Spoiler +So you wanted Yang to take back Iserlohn in a straightforward fight? That's impossible. Yang is heavily outnumbered to begin with - Lutz's fleet has at least ten times the number of ships he does. In addition, you're forgetting that Iserlohn is a fucking invulnerable fortress with a super powerful cannon. It's literally impossible to fight an enemy who has a numerical and positional advantage and still win.
Also, the Alliance has tried to take Iserlohn by force many times in the past. They failed every time. Tricks are cheap, but they work, and in combat, results are everything. Even if capturing Iserlohn through normal combat was possible, there would be a huge number of unnecessary losses. Yang's not the kind of guy who would ignore that. + Show Spoiler +It is true that there is no way Yang could have gotten back Iserlohn in a straightforward fight. But my point is that there should be no way he could have gotten it back even by tricks. I agree that it's better to use tricks than huge losses, but I did not think those were realistic at all. There are so many things that could have gone wrong with this plan... but I don't want to get into an argument about it. Imo, they should have just lost the battle, or taking it while Lutz fleet was ordered to leave the fortress by some surround strategy, or use some clever tactics to neutralize the cannon. I was satisfied with the intelligence warfare and it could have been enough to convince me, but not the deactivation of the cannon/no scouting ship from the fortress/the hidden command center to use the cannon/Rosenritters being imbalanced all over again/a very poor defense plan. + Show Spoiler +In Golden Wings (the movie which pissed me off to no end), the Alliance tried to take Iserlohn. Except in the movie it wasn't Iserlohn, it was the Death Star. Anyway, the Alliance attacked it with 40k ships, and Yang was present. The idea was to lure the station fleet out, attack and force a retreat, and then follow the station fleet back to Iserlohn, using the Imperial ships as a shield against the Thor Hammer. It was working (and actually damaged Iserlohn because it was actually the Death Star), but then the Empire decided to just shoot through their own fleet, and decimated the Alliance forces. IDK how canon this is, since Iserlohn getting damaged directly contradicts the main series, but take that for what you will.
Point being, even if you do something to take out the Station Fleet, they still have the Thor Hammer, and you can't do anything about that unless you can somehow neutralize the gun. The only possible strategies would be to take it from the inside (basically what was used both times), or to try and beseige and starve them out... And lets be honest, since its been said that Iserlohn can be entirely self-sufficient, the Yang-fleet had neither the resources nor time to try this. + Show Spoiler +I'm not really ranting at Yang for doing this. It's actually very clever of him. I'm directing my hate towards the plot. I just feel like it was a very poorly written part full of plot holes...
+ Show Spoiler +What plot holes, though? I has been a while since I watched this part, but I don't really remember any that stood out when I first watched it.
Also, Lutz got the short end of the stick here, hes actually awesome. You guys will see that later.
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I guess I'll just drop it there as I don't want this to become a ridiculous internet argument. Point is : I was unsatisfied with episode 70, you were not. Let's leave it like that and live happily ever after 
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+ Show Spoiler +K, but remember, Lutz actually is aweseome. Its just that he got Yang'd.
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I hope Kakifly gets published with a new work soon and even if it's just K-ON at university I jsut cant wait
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Has anyone watched Full Metal Alchemist? and Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood? Is Brotherhood worth watching or is it the same as the original. Also if it is different, why so? thanks
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Brotherhood is better than the original. They start out roughly the same, but Brotherhood goes off following the manga by... I forget, episode 10ish or something? Somewhere in that range. IMO the very early episodes of the show was done better in the original, but after that, Brotherhood is easily better. They are essentially the same until Lab 5, when Brotherhood goes in a different/better direction. Brotherhood also gets to Lab 5 much faster than the original did, so that could be a reason why I think the original did the early parts better.
Plus, the Brotherhood doesn't have the retarded end that the original had + Show Spoiler [FMA original ending] +LOL NOW IN WORLD WITH GERMANS BOMBING ENGLAND WITH ZEPPLINS IN WW1, DERR ALCHEMY IS PEEEEOPLLLEEE
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The ending to FMA is anime original. Brotherhood retcons stuff and continues along the manga storyline.
Just finished Ga-Rei Zero. It was bruuuutal (in a good way). + Show Spoiler +I mean, the vast majority of the cast ends up dead or crippled. That's not exactly the norm for most shows lol. ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/XNWAG.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/rrWmW.jpg) Woah. I fully approve of the change in character design.
Time to read the manga now.
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On February 01 2011 11:02 Spazer wrote:The ending to FMA is anime original. Brotherhood retcons stuff and continues along the manga storyline. Just finished Ga-Rei Zero. It was bruuuutal (in a good way). + Show Spoiler +I mean, the vast majority of the cast ends up dead or crippled. That's not exactly the norm for most shows lol. Woah. I fully approve of the change in character design. Time to read the manga now.
Ga-Rei Zero is awesome, the manga is decent, but not quite as good as the anime. Lol, it feels weird saying that the anime is better than the manga after all the crappy adaptations out there. 
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alright thanks, gonna have to start watching brotherhood all the way through now
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On February 01 2011 11:02 Spazer wrote:The ending to FMA is anime original. Brotherhood retcons stuff and continues along the manga storyline. Just finished Ga-Rei Zero. It was bruuuutal (in a good way). + Show Spoiler +I mean, the vast majority of the cast ends up dead or crippled. That's not exactly the norm for most shows lol. Woah. I fully approve of the change in character design. Time to read the manga now.
Her design is alot better in the manga, IMO
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Because I was curious, I watched the first episode of this Subaru / Gainax thing, Houkago no Pleiades.
While it is only 6 minutes long, the quality is pretty good. You don't see that it is a Youtube production. Even with the subtitles, I have no idea what it is all about. Girl sees some stars, runs around in her school, unexplained magical things happen and she meets a group of strange girls. Episode ends.
At least the art is good and not like the Lovecraft-abomination.
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On February 01 2011 11:19 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 11:02 Spazer wrote:The ending to FMA is anime original. Brotherhood retcons stuff and continues along the manga storyline. Just finished Ga-Rei Zero. It was bruuuutal (in a good way). + Show Spoiler +I mean, the vast majority of the cast ends up dead or crippled. That's not exactly the norm for most shows lol. Woah. I fully approve of the change in character design. Time to read the manga now. Her design is alot better in the manga, IMO
QFT... I don't know the manga got drawn out a bit T_T made me like it less than I could've but hey it was good, but could've been better. Whats your thought on Tokyo ESP (new series by same artist/author)? I think its pretty weird... but I'll read it till the end probably
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Well, I finally started Madoka. I'll keep with it, its good so far. I was afraid it was going to be more Bakemonogari-Shaft-esque. But the show only went on crack at the very end + Show Spoiler +where they literally got attacked by random shit
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On February 01 2011 11:29 TimeOut wrote:
Because I was curious, I watched the first episode of this Subaru / Gainax thing, Houkago no Pleiades.
While it is only 6 minutes long, the quality is pretty good. You don't see that it is a Youtube production. Even with the subtitles, I have no idea what it is all about. Girl sees some stars, runs around in her school, unexplained magical things happen and she meets a group of strange girls. Episode ends.
At least the art is good and not like the Lovecraft-abomination.
I was debating watching the show because the episodes are so short, but after skimming through the raws, I decided against it. The show doesn't really seem to have any redeeming features.
I can't believe I was looking forward to Nyaruani. Fucking Flash. -_-
Fun fact: The Pleiades star cluster has the name Subaru in Japanese. Hence why Subaru's logo is a bunch of stars
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On February 01 2011 11:33 Sentenal wrote:Well, I finally started Madoka. I'll keep with it, its good so far. I was afraid it was going to be more Bakemonogari-Shaft-esque. But the show only went on crack at the very end + Show Spoiler +where they literally got attacked by random shit , and even then, its not like they were trying to troll me with random/stupid camera angles, close-ups of pencils or other mundane/irrelevant/random stuff, etc.
Man, the crack-addled parts are the best. It's hard to create animated enemies that are actually scary, and shaft has done an awesome job with Madoka.
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What the hell gg. Wasn't the release date supposed to be later this month?
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I watched the first part of Houkago no Pleiades. I guess I gotta wait for the other three to be subbed.
@ Spazer: What is that?
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kara no kyoukai book or something?
blu rays for kara no kyoukai are coming out in 3-4 weeks?
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