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On September 28 2017 05:01 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2017 04:39 ShurykaN wrote:
I don't get why you wouldn't like manga, it's basically the same as anime but not animated.
I'm not one of these people, but I don't see what's so hard to get. It's like comparing books to film. Or board games / pen & paper to video games. The Audio-Visual component is important to a lot of people mostly for accessibility and immersion reasons, as well as opening up the possibilities for the stories told and the means of telling them and allowing different dimensions of artistic expression.
Will say more later when I'm not out, but I disagree with the premise that audio/visuals always improves things. The YKK/Aria anime are nowhere near as good (partially because of partial adaptation on the former) in terms of capturing the artistic and serene atmospheres of the manga. I know that sounds pretentious and borderline "muh source is better" but there are plenty of instances where I feel like things on paper do not translate cleanly onto the screen and are therefore inferior imo.
I can't imagine Punpun being good as anime for instance.
Edit: the recent blame movie is an even better example
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He never said they improved things. Merely allowed different things. You can do things in paper you can't do well in another medium the same way you can do things in motion that you can't do on paper. Honestly this thread feels more like a manga thread than an anime thread since most of you guys seem to despise anime anyway.
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On September 28 2017 06:28 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2017 05:01 207aicila wrote:On September 28 2017 04:39 ShurykaN wrote:
I don't get why you wouldn't like manga, it's basically the same as anime but not animated.
I'm not one of these people, but I don't see what's so hard to get. It's like comparing books to film. Or board games / pen & paper to video games. The Audio-Visual component is important to a lot of people mostly for accessibility and immersion reasons, as well as opening up the possibilities for the stories told and the means of telling them and allowing different dimensions of artistic expression. Will say more later when I'm not out, but I disagree with the premise that audio/visuals always improves things. The YKK/Aria anime are nowhere near as good (partially because of partial adaptation on the former) in terms of capturing the artistic and serene atmospheres of the manga. I know that sounds pretentious and borderline "muh source is better" but there are plenty of instances where I feel like things on paper do not translate cleanly onto the screen and are therefore inferior imo. I can't imagine Punpun being good as anime for instance. Edit: the recent blame movie is an even better example
I wasn't talking about adaptations, just the media in general.
Asking why people wouldn't like the manga is like asking the general moviegoing crowd why they don't just read books instead. Completely different media with completely different means of expression and storytelling.
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With adaptations, which is what seems to be the primary point of contention, I think the core question is whether it can improve on the source anyway. Or, failing that, just be faithful.
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On September 28 2017 06:12 felisconcolori wrote:
Might be why anime-original series might be more likely to get more seasons?
Do they though? It seems like Anime originals are exceedingly rare, and it makes sense why they would be much riskier investments from a financial standpoint. How many anime originals are there that have had more than your usual 1 or 2 cours? And how many of them have been recent?
Like obviously enduring mech franchises can keep making anime because they're pretty much entirely funded by figure sales. But beyond that? I can't think of too many.
On September 28 2017 06:39 Zergneedsfood wrote:
With adaptations, which is what seems to be the primary point of contention, I think the core question is whether it can improve on the source anyway. Or, failing that, just be faithful.
I don't think an outright improvement should be necessary. Nor do I think being faithful is intrinsically valuable as a general rule, although in most cases it probably helps. As long as it's an interesting, well executed take on the story and especially if it can make use of the of the new medium's strengths, an adaptation is fine by me.
How often this ends up being case, I'm not really qualified to discuss, nor do I really have any inclination to discuss as it becomes entirely a question of competence and/or finances rather than anything intrinsic to the concept of adaptation.
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On September 28 2017 06:37 Numy wrote:
He never said they improved things. Merely allowed different things. You can do things in paper you can't do well in another medium the same way you can do things in motion that you can't do on paper. Honestly this thread feels more like a manga thread than an anime thread since most of you guys seem to despise anime anyway.
LN thread, not manga thread.
But I don't despise anime. Only ZNF does
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On September 28 2017 06:47 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2017 06:12 felisconcolori wrote:
Might be why anime-original series might be more likely to get more seasons? Do they though? It seems like Anime originals are exceedingly rare, and it makes sense why they would be much riskier investments from a financial standpoint. How many anime originals are there that have had more than your usual 1 or 2 cours? And how many of them have been recent? Like obviously enduring mech franchises can keep making anime because they're pretty much entirely funded by figure sales. But beyond that? I can't think of too many.
Well, that's the thing. I don't know what the numbers would be/are like. Some studios will do anime original works in order to build up a reputation so that they can be in contention for adaptations. If they had backers or investors willing to go anime original, it might be that way.
I think another thing would be anime original series done when the studios can get the funding and don't have other work, or can get funding because of profits from their other works - like I said, most of the studios seem to work for each other as subcontractors in a lot of anime series. You might see J.C. Staff doing work for P.A. Works for example, on some scenes, or vice versa, or combinations of different studios working together under one primary studio to divide the work up.
But if it's the anime studio that is deciding whether to do another season because it's their own IP/property, it would remove the reliance on outside factors (LN/Manga sales, etc). Only the anime performance would weigh in. Kindof like the Marvel movie universe - comic sales are not a factor, because while the characters and stories are based on the comics (aka, western manga) all the money is made from the movies.
I dunno, it all comes back to who's funding it, and what's the return going to be? Oh, and scheduling... a studio getting guaranteed money from a publisher for an adaptation is probably less likely to take a gamble on new anime original stories that may or may not have a good return.
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If you guys care, Blade Runner 2022 is out. The animation quality and VA and everything is what we deserve from anime. It's made by the director of Cowboy Bebop/Samurai Champloo and I must say, damn it's a dazzling 15 minutes of amazing. Go find it and watch it.
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On September 28 2017 06:28 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2017 05:01 207aicila wrote:On September 28 2017 04:39 ShurykaN wrote:
I don't get why you wouldn't like manga, it's basically the same as anime but not animated.
I'm not one of these people, but I don't see what's so hard to get. It's like comparing books to film. Or board games / pen & paper to video games. The Audio-Visual component is important to a lot of people mostly for accessibility and immersion reasons, as well as opening up the possibilities for the stories told and the means of telling them and allowing different dimensions of artistic expression. Will say more later when I'm not out, but I disagree with the premise that audio/visuals always improves things. The YKK/Aria anime are nowhere near as good (partially because of partial adaptation on the former) in terms of capturing the artistic and serene atmospheres of the manga. I know that sounds pretentious and borderline "muh source is better" but there are plenty of instances where I feel like things on paper do not translate cleanly onto the screen and are therefore inferior imo. I can't imagine Punpun being good as anime for instance. Edit: the recent blame movie is an even better example
Hilariously enough, the blame movie has a manga adaptation.
And not by Nihei.
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On September 28 2017 08:34 Spazer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2017 06:28 Zergneedsfood wrote:On September 28 2017 05:01 207aicila wrote:On September 28 2017 04:39 ShurykaN wrote:
I don't get why you wouldn't like manga, it's basically the same as anime but not animated.
I'm not one of these people, but I don't see what's so hard to get. It's like comparing books to film. Or board games / pen & paper to video games. The Audio-Visual component is important to a lot of people mostly for accessibility and immersion reasons, as well as opening up the possibilities for the stories told and the means of telling them and allowing different dimensions of artistic expression. Will say more later when I'm not out, but I disagree with the premise that audio/visuals always improves things. The YKK/Aria anime are nowhere near as good (partially because of partial adaptation on the former) in terms of capturing the artistic and serene atmospheres of the manga. I know that sounds pretentious and borderline "muh source is better" but there are plenty of instances where I feel like things on paper do not translate cleanly onto the screen and are therefore inferior imo. I can't imagine Punpun being good as anime for instance. Edit: the recent blame movie is an even better example Hilariously enough, the blame movie has a manga adaptation. And not by Nihei.
That's priceless lmao
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On September 28 2017 03:28 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2017 02:52 Miragee wrote:
Except 2016, which was absolutely terrible as a year.
Ehhh you must have very unrealistic standards I think... or maybe very specific taste? Sure it was no 2007 but between stuff like Konosuba, Mob Psycho 100, 3-gatsu no Lion (which admittedly did continue into the new year and will return soon), Diamond is not Crash etc. it was pretty good. And a slew of "lesser" but still pretty damn fun comedies and slice of life shows. Haven't watched the Rakugo show yet but it seems interesting and I know most of the people who watched it thought it was really good. Oh yeah ERASED was also a thing that happened, that was pretty good. Not every year can be full of 10/10s. But I'd be hard pressed to call it bad, let alone terrible.
I think a year is terrible if I can't give a single 8 or higher and only a handful of 7s. That was 2016 for me. Konosuba is not for me, Mob Psycho had great animation but the plot sucked except for the last 4 episodes or so. I liked Rakugo, 3-gatsu and Erased. Tbf Rakugo s1 was probably great but not quite my cup of tea. I personally liked s2 a lot more. 3-gatsu could have been a real gem but was hunted by unnecessary comedy bits that destroyed the mood.
On September 28 2017 04:39 ShurykaN wrote:
I don't get why you wouldn't like manga, it's basically the same as anime but not animated.
One annoying thing about adaptions is I'll read the manga and then not want to watch the anime because I already know what's going to happen. Like I couldn't get into Boku no Hero academy or keep watching One Piece anime when I'm already dozens of chapters ahead in the manga.
The source usually has more content and is just better though...
It's really not the same. Anime adds soundtrack and animation but also offers a more fluid experience and adds the possibility for the director to be creative. In manga it often feels chopped because of it's paneled nature. Sometimes it's less coherent, the transitions between flashbacks and present aren't done well etc. pp. I enjoy watching anime a lot more than I do reading manga. For example, I originally thought Hourou Musuko felt a bit rushed (pretty much my only complaint about the show). Then I read the manga and it was really jumpy, sometimes a bit incoherent, next to no notification between flashbacks and present. I thought the anime did a much better job than the manga and even fixed some of its issues.
There are probably lots of bad adaptions but as long as the adaption is good I think I would prefer it every time.
On September 28 2017 06:28 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2017 05:01 207aicila wrote:On September 28 2017 04:39 ShurykaN wrote:
I don't get why you wouldn't like manga, it's basically the same as anime but not animated.
I'm not one of these people, but I don't see what's so hard to get. It's like comparing books to film. Or board games / pen & paper to video games. The Audio-Visual component is important to a lot of people mostly for accessibility and immersion reasons, as well as opening up the possibilities for the stories told and the means of telling them and allowing different dimensions of artistic expression. Will say more later when I'm not out, but I disagree with the premise that audio/visuals always improves things. The YKK/Aria anime are nowhere near as good (partially because of partial adaptation on the former) in terms of capturing the artistic and serene atmospheres of the manga. I know that sounds pretentious and borderline "muh source is better" but there are plenty of instances where I feel like things on paper do not translate cleanly onto the screen and are therefore inferior imo. I can't imagine Punpun being good as anime for instance. Edit: the recent blame movie is an even better example
Blame was done by Polygon Pictures. They fuck up everything...
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Episode 89 is probably one of my favourites episodes in LoGH. + Show Spoiler +The episode where Reinhard is blushing as he gave flowers to Hilda's father and proposed haha. Guess other favourite is the meeting between Reinhard and Yang after the battle of Vermilion. Worst is the episode that Yang died in.
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It's gonna take place in america and they're gonna change the background of the MC just like they did with death note right.
Also they're gonna shove token racial minorities in there. And maybe add some comments about the patriarchy.
Gotta put in the lens flares too.
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oh no, stop ruining anime 
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On September 28 2017 12:52 IceHism wrote:It's gonna take place in america and they're gonna change the background of the MC just like they did with death note right. Also they're gonna shove token racial minorities in there. And maybe add some comments about the patriarchy. Gotta put in the lens flares too.
Lens flares only get added if it's a Michael Bay film.
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yeah, I also just read the news.
I can't even start reciting "please don't suck" in my head over and over again, because I know there's no chance in jigoku that this will be even remotely decent.
And I'm going to watch it anyway.
I hate this.
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On September 28 2017 13:54 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2017 12:52 IceHism wrote:It's gonna take place in america and they're gonna change the background of the MC just like they did with death note right. Also they're gonna shove token racial minorities in there. And maybe add some comments about the patriarchy. Gotta put in the lens flares too. Lens flares only get added if it's a Michael Bay film.
Clearly need to watch more of the new Star Treks.
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And JJ Abrams is set to produce it. Hmmmm
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