Anime Discussion Thread - Page 5874

On January 09 2017 04:19 Miragee wrote:
But Fate is sexist, isn't it?

Honestly though, anime in general is often quite sexist. Each season I'm losing count of all the cardbox characters that are supposed to be male or female humans, yet are only 1-3 stereotypes.

On January 09 2017 04:54 Numy wrote:

Honestly I don't really agree here. Often I find complaints about poorly done characters of X gender or Y minority to be a bit silly. The thing is vast majority of characters in any anime/book/media are cardboard box stereotypes with zero substance. It isn't really an issue of it being sexist or transphobia or homophobia etc. so much as it's an issue of god fucking awful writing as a whole. Take a look at any of the male characters in the 30 male harem power fantasy anime that come out any season. They make cardboardbox-kun from Hibike look like a fulfilling romantic partner. It's also why I hate the whole "oh no you have to make the characters relatable". What does that mean? I don't relate to a piece of shit with no personality that has women falling into his laps all day.

Media is just a bunch of awful stereotypes perpetrated permanently until some new circle of stereotypes comes in to shove out the old.

ps: Fuck you anime community of riding shows like Reero's dick so hard. I hate you. Give my girl Momo the same vigor you assholes

On January 09 2017 05:14 Unleashing wrote:
I'm still a firm believer that anime is in no way worse than other mediums with regards to recycling tropes, clichés or stereotypes. It's just a much smaller medium so you can much easier observe all the trash and encounter it.
I mean imagine how many absolutel godawful books are out there(Especially with stuff like amazon self-publishing that now exists) that you haven't heard about and despite that so many of the 'popular' books still manage to be full of tropes, clichés and stereotypes.

All mediums are mostly garbage, with anime you can just easily see all the garbage at once.

Yui Kusanagi, normal human girl, was suddenly transported to another world for a very special mission: to show the young gods of the divine realm what it means to be human. Over the years, these handsome young gods have lost their ability to empathize with or interact with humans. Anyone would be happy to be surrounded by such dizzyingly good-looking people, but the problem is, she only has one year to complete her mission, and if she fails, all of them will be stuck in this realm forever.

On January 09 2017 05:37 Unleashing wrote:
I don't think the concept of harems is sexist at all. It all comes down to the writing, not the concept imo. It's just pure wish fulfilment to have a lot of people fawn over you, it happens both in male focused and female focused shows. People like wish fulfilment in general.
Also yes this is an anime thread? My point is that some people seem to sometimes suggest that anime is a medium that is significantly worse than other mediums in these regards and i just disagree with that.

On January 09 2017 06:06 Miragee wrote:

The whole concept of a harem is incredible sexist. How can you even argue with that? Only because it's wish fulfilment doesn't mean it's not sexist. That's like arguing a rapist isn't a rapist because he just wanted to have sex.

On January 09 2017 06:06 Miragee wrote:Harems reduce all women in those shows to cock-craving cardboard cutouts.

On January 09 2017 06:06 Miragee wrote:The wish fulfilment here is "oh, you can have that, too. A dozen women falling only for you without you doing anything but being a dick to them. They don't care they only want your dick. Isn't that amazing?".

On January 09 2017 06:06 Miragee wrote:How is that not sexist for god's sake? Even naming the genre "harem" says it all if you know what the word harem is used for historically.

On January 09 2017 06:06 Miragee wrote:I think the general mis-conception is that it's not sexism if it happens in both female and male focused shows. It still is. Reverse harems are just as sexist as harems. Anyways, I'm not the guy who cries "sexist" everytime something comes up. I just dislike when people openly pretent it isn't there when it is.

That's a super fucking idiotic comparison. I argue that it's not sexist because i simply don't think that it is in any way inherently sexist, people writing fiction about ideal and nice situations, is not at all comparable to sexual assault.

On January 09 2017 06:44 Miragee wrote:


I'm not going to answer to everything else but please, how is it a "ideal and nice situation" for anyone but the male character (or female character in a reverse harem) if multiple girls fall for him and the whole show is basically the MC picking his favourite - and only if the MC is a sadist.
I mean, there would probably one kind of harem show I would personally enjoy and that is the one that shows critical and empathetic thinking of the MC towards all the girls as well as the girls between each other and the MC. Something like Hourou Musuko (not a harem). But that's not what harems are written for. They are, as you said, wish fulfilment. And I would argue that any person who really wishes that multiple people would fall for them at the same time and fawn over them is a disgusting piece of shit because they don't regard the feelings of all the other people involved.

On January 09 2017 06:44 Miragee wrote:Of course there is a difference between wanting a girl to fall for you and wanting all the girls. There is also a difference between wishing for all the girls to fall for you and the case that it ended up happening. In the latter case it depends on how you react to it.

To your last sentence: "You seem to hate things about harems that are completely unrelated to the genre and much more related to otaku pandering." That is true. It's probably also true that you "can" write a harem that is somehow not sexist, like the example I mentioned above. However, that's not how the genre came to be nor how it's used 99,9 % of the time. I guess a single great work doesn't invert what a whole genre stands for.

//I guess I have to watch Yona to change my view if you guys hype the show so much. Only watched the first 4 episodes and put it on hold to let it finish and never came back to it.

Because it's fiction, that's how it's a nice and ideal situation. Most people aren't even interested in the harem situation, they're interested in a single character and wishes for the MC to hook up with that single character. But by introducing more love interests it's possible to have more conflict and stuff for the series to 'explore' (i use that term very loosely).
Again, most people who watch it for the wish fulfilment wishes for a single girl to win, just like how most stories with love triangles end up with people who want one of the two love interests to win. It's the exact same concept.
And because it's fiction the author can end the story with everyone happy regardless, it's mostly poor writing and sometimes it's simply ignored, but that's how. Most people aren't interested in the ideas of the emotional distress that follows with it, so it's ignored.

I mean i personally think polygamy in real life is fairly awful, but in fiction i don't mind it because again, it's fiction and a lot of the issues that would follow in real life can handily be ignored. Due to its nature as fiction it can conveniently ignore some of the issues that'd follow with it normally, just like a lot of war or battle and action focused shows often ignore things like PTSD or other forms of trauma and if it's ever brought up it's typically handled awfully.