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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 30 2014 00:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote: No big deal, I can elaborate. MAL ratings = numbers only. totally random shit. They are only random if you compare different people's ratings. What Ragz did was completely fine. He used his OWN ratings to see where the shows he has watched peak. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
Is this so hard? Also I don't want to hear anything about subjective claims from a man who produced a sentence like "It just fucking happened that 80s was the highest point in every known to me field of art for entire human civilization, which we might never reach again, it's not Japan exclusive." Or would you rather him just throwing out statements like that without the mal numbers? I am fine with that too. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On July 29 2014 23:12 Nagisama wrote: + Show Spoiler + Hina that the MC is introduced to is dead. Quit fooling yourself. She literally disappears on screen in front of him. I don't know how you can even consider that not dying. I guess death by time paradox isn't really death in your eyes. The MC then spends the remaining 12 episodes to force this other Hina in the timeline to be like the Hina he knows. Saying the exact same bullshit excuse as to why she should know him to someone who obviously doesn't. Of course, by the time she comes around, she's forced to go back in time and redo the whole thing over again. It made me cringe every time he tries to convince her. Just constantly saying "REMEMBER" as if that's a magic word or something. Mech designs are personal opinion so I won't go there. World setting? what world setting, all we know is 2 major powers are at war over a natural resource. Scene direction? the fights were pretty one sided once they coupled and turned on the plot armor. Sure they got thrown in some impossible situations, which only became more ridiculous once they over came it. Like that scene with a million missiles firing at them or something. + Show Spoiler + I dig your plot perception because it reminds me about old sci-fi time-travelling stories, but it's not canon. Hina didn't die, just moved through time flow differently than Aoba (back to past, where she was a child, because writers couldn't explain shit other way, and their time loop was logically 'broken' before they quickly solved it to viewer anyway, but that's details) One of basic sci-fi assumptions are memories of the past transferring through parallel timelines and worlds, and kept collected in one some way, you should get used to that. Don't forget we are comparing Buddy with Aldnoah.Zero here. I never said Complex was a masterpiece, but I would have guessed it should be more enjoyable for avid mecha fan because it was packed with almost Gintama-level of irony on approach to classic Sunrise tropes. The moment MC first got into mecha and had literally no idea how even to move it in a first episode (and got better in it only by magic technology "cheating", not your usual "training"), and the one where opponent's general told his soldiers that they should think twice about using DOOMSDAY-type of MASS DESTRUCTION weapon, 'cause every bloody shot costs their nation a fortune in a last one brought me to my knees, for example. And direction was superb, never got a drama overload, heck character trips during free time were better than execution of some battles. You're totally right about action and plot armors, it could've been better, they dropped the ball after the 4th episode where viewers learned than no secondary character is ever going to die ,but compared to Aldnoah with it's pretentious halo effect which makes people harp on mediocre production quality like it's second coming of Code Geass, BC is fucking solid. Biased Sunrise all the time #1 animation studio fan speaking, trust me, haha. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On July 30 2014 00:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote: No big deal, I can elaborate. MAL ratings = numbers only. totally random shit. you watch random quantity of anime for each year, give most of them random numbers (that's why it's not represantive, opinions may change with time), and don't add any kind of mean values and fluctuations into consideration, so what was the point to use 'math' to begin with? I don't know how you can expect the end result to be CONVINCING for yourself that way, yet alone for other people who don't even know what's the difference between 7 and 8 in your book, for example. I actually go through my MAL after most seasons looking through things and wether it's still in place with everything that has changed. And I have changed quite a lot of shows a season later or whenever else just because I felt it's closer to the other shows that I rated 6 than the other shows that I rated 7 as an example. That being said, subjective = unobjective, so even if you don't do that it's still perfectly fine. It's not just a word that carries the meaning of being a personal opinion but also the meaning of being non-factual. At least in german and I'm pretty sure it's the same in english. + Show Spoiler [dict.cc screeny for the reverse] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KVlmbXi.png) So basicly, when he says it's subjective he could be, literally, pulling the numbers out of his ass and it'd be a fine representation of his subjective opinion. That's the point of it. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On July 29 2014 23:51 ForTehDarkseid wrote: It just fucking happened that 80s was the highest point in every known to me field of art for entire human civilization, which we might never reach again. Lomo. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On July 30 2014 00:38 Ecael wrote: If the intent was to cry about the lack of parameters to make sense of the numbers given then say that. >not representative Numbers always make some kind of sense, but this sense isn't ought to be relatively reliable even for the owner of the rating. Basically, it's fucking random, that's all I wanted to say, maybe everyone is okay with it. That has nothing to do with MAL ratings not being useful to see how one feels about something. I never said that. MAL mean score value by itself doesn't help you to find the year you thought was the The situation is pretty simple. Ragz thinks a certain period has a lot of good animes to him. Ragz throws out something that conveniently lists for him the animes from that period and his internal ratings of them. There happens to be a good amount of anime that has numbers that are kind of high on the scale. Is this so hard? Gosh, I can come up with like 5-6 instant different cases where mean values don't guarantee to be that exact year to be a SIGNIFICANT peak, he even said that he has higher mean score for 80s and 90s, come on. Also I don't want to hear anything about subjective claims from a man who produced a sentence like "It just fucking happened that 80s was the highest point in every known to me field of art for entire human civilization, which we might never reach again, it's not Japan exclusive." I have nothing against subjectivity in that case. It just happens that 'objective' adjective has other meaning than being contrary to subjective, I had "being related to purpose, aim" meaning in mind. Basically, this information brings nothing to the table, it could have been 1999 instead of 2003, for all we know. Or would you rather him just throwing out statements like that without the mal numbers? I am fine with that too. If Ragz said "you know what guys '03 had FMP Fummoffu which I consider to be one of the best anime ever and some other nice things I really liked", nobody would've ever said anything against it, because it's honest and constructive. You meant LOLNO, right? | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 30 2014 01:46 ForTehDarkseid wrote: If Ragz said "you know what guys '03 had FMP Fummoffu which I consider to be one of the best anime ever and some other nice things I really liked", nobody would've ever said anything against it, because it's honest and constructive. You are the only person that has an issue. So you should change that sentence to "I wouldn't have had an issue". | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
MAL mean score doesn't do shit and he certainly didn't use it to determine it. I never said shit about mean, stop putting words into my mouth. Why would you waste your time to even take the average of a batch of numbers with as much sampling and response biases as MAL ratings? Please. At least notice how in the same sentence he also admitted to 80s and 90s being cherrypicked. I don't think you have anything against subjectivity, I just think your claims are outrageous and the irony of you trying to make a meaningful statement after that is palpable. Notice how you were the only one who took MAL ratings to mean anything other than the equivalent of "you know what guys '03 had FMP Fummoffu which I consider to be one of the best anime ever and some other nice things I really liked". Neither of them are constructive and they are only as honest as you can take any random statement to be. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
@Ecael, I don't really understand what's OUTRAGEOUS in a claim that "conclusions based on RANDOM numbers aren't objective and represantative by any means". | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On July 30 2014 02:12 ForTehDarkseid wrote: @Carnivorous Sheep, East Asian. @Ecael, I don't really understand what's OUTRAGEOUS in a claim that "conclusions based on RANDOM numbers aren't objective and represantative by any means". Conclusions based on random statement was accepted by you, no? What's outrageous about accepting it based on random numbers? Or did you forget that this was about Ragz's personal, SUBJECTIVE (hey look I can caps too) view on his own feelings? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
It's the only logical explanation to our tastes, and why we can hear teens claim that Justin Bieber or other pop idols are the best singers. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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maru~
2345 Posts
On July 30 2014 02:12 ForTehDarkseid wrote: I don't really understand what's OUTRAGEOUS in a claim that "conclusions based on RANDOM numbers aren't objective and represantative by any means". Ragz never said it was objective or representative (in fact, he said the opposite), and he didn't base his conclusion on the numbers. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On July 30 2014 02:14 Ecael wrote: Conclusions based on random statement was accepted by you, no? What's outrageous about accepting it based on random numbers? Or did you forget that this was about Ragz's personal, SUBJECTIVE (hey look I can caps too) view on his own feelings? It's sample size that matters, 40 is terrible statistic number. The easiest idea to implement the mean value method would be to take top12-22 personally rated anime for each year and cut off one/two highest lowest marks, get mean value after that, because it's reasonable to assume one with enough time and experience. have watched ~10-20 titles for one given year and they can be compared on that basis. 41 for one year, 10 for another, 56 for third, and 23 for fourth, and 8 for twenty years later, which is usally the case if you aren't a perfectionist/anime historician can't be compared that simple, so unless you insist on using higher maths, drop the numbers alltogether and simply follow your heart, especially when people don't care much (that's why they are fine with the method in a first place) Yeah, maybe I went overboard with capsss. sorry. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On July 30 2014 02:31 BigFan wrote: ForTehDarkseid, I gotta agree with the other posts here. What ragz did was fine imo. He used his own ratings and determined that a certain year was the best anime year for him. I don't believe he claimed he's being objective anywhere but the method used is perfectly legit. I would do the same though I have watched nowhere near as much anime as he did lol On July 30 2014 02:36 maru~ wrote: Ragz never said it was objective or representative (in fact, he said the opposite), and he didn't base his conclusion on the numbers. honestly though, that wasn't what he was getting at. He didn't have a problem with it being subjective, he had a problem with it being done sloppely. That's how I interpreted it at least. I mean, I wouldn't expect ragz to write a well thought out, yet still subjective, thesis about this on the internet  | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On July 30 2014 02:37 ForTehDarkseid wrote: It's sample size that matters, 40 is terrible statistic number. The easiest idea to implement the mean value method would be to take top12-22 personally rated anime for each year and cut off one/two highest lowest marks, get mean value after that, because it's reasonable to assume one with enough time and experience. have watched ~10-20 titles for one given year and they can be compared on that basis. 41 for one year, 10 for another, 56 for third, and 23 for fourth, and 8 for twenty years later, which is usally the case if you aren't a perfectionist/anime historician can't be compared that simple, so unless you insist on using higher maths, drop the numbers alltogether and simply follow your heart, especially when people don't care much. Yeah, maybe I went overboard with capsss. sorry. You can't expect him (or anyone actually lol) to watch all of the anime airing during a specific year in order to increase the sample size for better values. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
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