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On July 29 2014 10:02 Slaughter wrote:
So does that make anime pre 2008 the Golden Age of Anime then?
Well, I'd assume most people consider pre-2008 the golden age of anime for the most part. Specific years vary with most people, but in general everyone I've talked to has always stated that pre-2008 were the good times for anime. A lot of people cite 2006-2008, a lot of people think it's pre-2000. Overall though, I think many believe that most things past 2008 have been generally on the decline.
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On July 29 2014 20:27 goody153 wrote:Sent's "DROPPED" images looks more and more interesting overtime. Buddy Complex has an MC with + Show Spoiler +insane plot armor from.episode 1 was ridiculous to watch ,, i know aldnoah MC also has plot armor but at least it was more believable or reasonable. @f/z or fsn or nasuverse : wasn't Gilgamesh the most broken thing in that universe ? he can almost beat everyone by just spamming Gates of Babylon and pull out Ea if shit gets terrible .. i also read from somewhere that if he gets serious he should never lose since he always underestimates and play around with his enemies but i am not sure of the legitimacy of that source ..
Nasu did say Gilgamesh is the most powerful in nasuverse, but that doesn't really mean a ton as that was never the point.
On July 29 2014 20:47 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2014 10:02 Slaughter wrote:
So does that make anime pre 2008 the Golden Age of Anime then? Well, I'd assume most people consider pre-2008 the golden age of anime for the most part. Specific years vary with most people, but in general everyone I've talked to has always stated that pre-2008 were the good times for anime. A lot of people cite 2006-2008, a lot of people think it's pre-2000. Overall though, I think many believe that most things past 2008 have been generally on the decline.
I don't think it's decline as much as more specialized. Before anime was more general, so that everyone can find elements they like in a ton of series, but now if you are not a show's target audience you'd think it's shit, even if it's very good at what it tries to do.
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On July 29 2014 20:47 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2014 10:02 Slaughter wrote:
So does that make anime pre 2008 the Golden Age of Anime then? Well, I'd assume most people consider pre-2008 the golden age of anime for the most part. Specific years vary with most people, but in general everyone I've talked to has always stated that pre-2008 were the good times for anime. A lot of people cite 2006-2008, a lot of people think it's pre-2000. Overall though, I think many believe that most things past 2008 have been generally on the decline.
I think a lot of that can be attributed to nostalgia, memory bias and other trivial reasons like getting bored of it after watching for many years, being more impressionable in younger years and when new to the medium etc.
So I would take statements about the "golden age" and especially about everything declining lately with a grain of salt.
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On July 29 2014 21:27 maru~ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2014 20:47 Zergneedsfood wrote:On July 29 2014 10:02 Slaughter wrote:
So does that make anime pre 2008 the Golden Age of Anime then? Well, I'd assume most people consider pre-2008 the golden age of anime for the most part. Specific years vary with most people, but in general everyone I've talked to has always stated that pre-2008 were the good times for anime. A lot of people cite 2006-2008, a lot of people think it's pre-2000. Overall though, I think many believe that most things past 2008 have been generally on the decline. I think a lot of that can be attributed to nostalgia, memory bias and other trivial reasons like getting bored of it after watching for many years, being more impressionable in younger years and when new to the medium etc. So I would take statements about the "golden age" and especially about everything declining lately with a grain of salt.
I do, two of my top five anime are from 2003 and 2006 but the rest are like...2009-2011. 
I think the next five or so follows a similar pattern.
On July 29 2014 21:13 ragz_gt wrote:
I don't think it's decline as much as more specialized. Before anime was more general, so that everyone can find elements they like in a ton of series, but now if you are not a show's target audience you'd think it's shit, even if it's very good at what it tries to do.
No ragz. It's just shit. DEAL WITH IT.
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On July 29 2014 20:47 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2014 10:02 Slaughter wrote:
So does that make anime pre 2008 the Golden Age of Anime then? Well, I'd assume most people consider pre-2008 the golden age of anime for the most part. Specific years vary with most people, but in general everyone I've talked to has always stated that pre-2008 were the good times for anime. A lot of people cite 2006-2008, a lot of people think it's pre-2000. Overall though, I think many believe that most things past 2008 have been generally on the decline.
Golden Age is considered to be the 80s and 90s.
Before the Japanese economy went into recession, there was money to finance "experimental" anime, TV series were longer, and there was a thriving OAV market, which often had higher production values. There was just more disposable income and willingness to take financial risks.
The reason anime nowadays is so "specialized" is because studios need to cater the audience willing to spend money, namely otakus. Doesn't mean that all anime is bad. There is a lot of good stuff with excellent quality in animation and storytelling regardless of the target audience. Also, something to keep in mind is that before the internet and digital fansubs, content shown internationally was heavily curated–fanusbs in the 90s were made with footage taken off laserdiscs, which were not cheap–so we didn't get to see a lot of the crap.
Here's a good read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_anime#1980s
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wow rokujouma no shinryakusha features a lot of new seiyuu! one of the (positive) surprises this season for me.
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On July 29 2014 21:38 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2014 21:27 maru~ wrote:On July 29 2014 20:47 Zergneedsfood wrote:On July 29 2014 10:02 Slaughter wrote:
So does that make anime pre 2008 the Golden Age of Anime then? Well, I'd assume most people consider pre-2008 the golden age of anime for the most part. Specific years vary with most people, but in general everyone I've talked to has always stated that pre-2008 were the good times for anime. A lot of people cite 2006-2008, a lot of people think it's pre-2000. Overall though, I think many believe that most things past 2008 have been generally on the decline. I think a lot of that can be attributed to nostalgia, memory bias and other trivial reasons like getting bored of it after watching for many years, being more impressionable in younger years and when new to the medium etc. So I would take statements about the "golden age" and especially about everything declining lately with a grain of salt. I do, two of my top five anime are from 2003 and 2006 but the rest are like...2009-2011. I think the next five or so follows a similar pattern. Show nested quote +On July 29 2014 21:13 ragz_gt wrote:
I don't think it's decline as much as more specialized. Before anime was more general, so that everyone can find elements they like in a ton of series, but now if you are not a show's target audience you'd think it's shit, even if it's very good at what it tries to do. No ragz. It's just shit. DEAL WITH IT.
Edgy ZNF is moe > moe is shit > Edgy ZNF is shit
On July 29 2014 22:14 Naphal wrote:
wow rokujouma no shinryakusha features a lot of new seiyuu! one of the (positive) surprises this season for me.
Kinda meh on Yukari... but other than that it's pretty good.
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Yukari sounded as sad and cringeworthy as I felt she should though.
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On July 29 2014 19:21 ForTehDarkseid wrote:First of all, + Show Spoiler +Hina obviously didn't die, maybe you have another anime in mind. Secondly, MAIN characters don't "break it-or-make it" in mecha anime, mechanical designs, scene direction, world setting and SECONDARY ones are.
+ Show Spoiler +Hina that the MC is introduced to is dead. Quit fooling yourself. She literally disappears on screen in front of him. I don't know how you can even consider that not dying. I guess death by time paradox isn't really death in your eyes.
The MC then spends the remaining 12 episodes to force this other Hina in the timeline to be like the Hina he knows. Saying the exact same bullshit excuse as to why she should know him to someone who obviously doesn't. Of course, by the time she comes around, she's forced to go back in time and redo the whole thing over again.
It made me cringe every time he tries to convince her. Just constantly saying "REMEMBER" as if that's a magic word or something.
Mech designs are personal opinion so I won't go there. World setting? what world setting, all we know is 2 major powers are at war over a natural resource. Scene direction? the fights were pretty one sided once they coupled and turned on the plot armor. Sure they got thrown in some impossible situations, which only became more ridiculous once they over came it. Like that scene with a million missiles firing at them or something.
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On July 29 2014 22:53 Ecael wrote:
Yukari sounded as sad and cringeworthy as I felt she should though.
I hate her voice but it fits so well.
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On July 29 2014 22:01 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2014 20:47 Zergneedsfood wrote:On July 29 2014 10:02 Slaughter wrote:
So does that make anime pre 2008 the Golden Age of Anime then? Well, I'd assume most people consider pre-2008 the golden age of anime for the most part. Specific years vary with most people, but in general everyone I've talked to has always stated that pre-2008 were the good times for anime. A lot of people cite 2006-2008, a lot of people think it's pre-2000. Overall though, I think many believe that most things past 2008 have been generally on the decline. Golden Age is considered to be the 80s and 90s. Before the Japanese economy went into recession, there was money to finance "experimental" anime, TV series were longer, and there was a thriving OAV market, which often had higher production values. There was just more disposable income and willingness to take financial risks. The reason anime nowadays is so "specialized" is because studios need to cater the audience willing to spend money, namely otakus. Doesn't mean that all anime is bad. There is a lot of good stuff with excellent quality in animation and storytelling regardless of the target audience. Also, something to keep in mind is that before the internet and digital fansubs, content shown internationally was heavily curated–fanusbs in the 90s were made with footage taken off laserdiscs, which were not cheap–so we didn't get to see a lot of the crap. Here's a good read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_anime#1980s
90s are overrated as fuck by anime fans. Don't kid yourselves, 00s is way better.
People complaining about current anime industry development are just picky snobs who shouldn't be taken seriously, anime got "expiremental" sub-genre only after 1995, ffs. It just fucking happened that 80s was the highest point in every known to me field of art for entire human civilization, which we might never reach again, it's not Japan exclusive.
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For me it's 95-06, though with 2003 as absolute peak
03 according to my mal:
+ Show Spoiler +Anime from 2003: (41, mean score: 7.35)
Ai Yori Aoshi: Enishi (rated with 7)
Ai Yori Aoshi: Enishi - Miyuki (rated with 6)
Chrno Crusade (rated with 8)
D.N.Angel (rated with 7)
Da Capo (rated with 6)
Dear Boys (rated with 7)
Detective Conan Movie 07: Crossroad in the Ancient Capital (rated with 8)
Detective Conan OVA 03: Conan and Heiji and the Vanished Boy (rated with 7)
Divergence Eve (unrated)
E's Otherwise (rated with 7)
Fullmetal Alchemist (rated with 8)
Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu (rated with 10)
Ginga Tetsudou Monogatari (rated with 7)
Gungrave (rated with 9)
Gunslinger Girl (rated with 8)
Happy☆Lesson: Advance (rated with 7)
Hunter x Hunter: Greed Island (rated with 7)
Ikkitousen (rated with 6)
Jungle wa Itsumo Hare nochi Guu Final (rated with 8)
Kaleido Star (rated with 9)
Kanon Kazahana (rated with 6)
Kimi ga Nozomu Eien (rated with 7)
Kino no Tabi: The Beautiful World (rated with 8)
Konjiki no Gash Bell!! (rated with 8)
Last Exile (rated with 10)
Maburaho (rated with 5)
Mousou Kagaku Series: Wandaba Style (rated with 5)
Munto (rated with 6)
Onegai Twins (rated with 7)
Planetes (rated with 9)
R.O.D the TV (rated with 8)
RahXephon: Pluralitas Concentio (rated with 7)
Saiyuuki Reload (rated with 7)
Sakura Taisen: Ecole de Paris (rated with 7)
Scrapped Princess (rated with 9)
Stratos 4 (rated with 6)
Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki 3 (rated with 7)
Texhnolyze (rated with 7)
Uchuu no Stellvia (rated with 8)
Wolf's Rain (rated with 9)
Yami to Boushi to Hon no Tabibito (rated with 6)
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On July 29 2014 23:58 ragz_gt wrote:For me it's 95-06, though with 2003 as absolute peak 03 according to my mal: + Show Spoiler +Anime from 2003: (41, mean score: 7.35)
Ai Yori Aoshi: Enishi (rated with 7)
Ai Yori Aoshi: Enishi - Miyuki (rated with 6)
Chrno Crusade (rated with 8)
D.N.Angel (rated with 7)
Da Capo (rated with 6)
Dear Boys (rated with 7)
Detective Conan Movie 07: Crossroad in the Ancient Capital (rated with 8)
Detective Conan OVA 03: Conan and Heiji and the Vanished Boy (rated with 7)
Divergence Eve (unrated)
E's Otherwise (rated with 7)
Fullmetal Alchemist (rated with 8)
Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu (rated with 10)
Ginga Tetsudou Monogatari (rated with 7)
Gungrave (rated with 9)
Gunslinger Girl (rated with 8)
Happy☆Lesson: Advance (rated with 7)
Hunter x Hunter: Greed Island (rated with 7)
Ikkitousen (rated with 6)
Jungle wa Itsumo Hare nochi Guu Final (rated with 8)
Kaleido Star (rated with 9)
Kanon Kazahana (rated with 6)
Kimi ga Nozomu Eien (rated with 7)
Kino no Tabi: The Beautiful World (rated with 8)
Konjiki no Gash Bell!! (rated with 8)
Last Exile (rated with 10)
Maburaho (rated with 5)
Mousou Kagaku Series: Wandaba Style (rated with 5)
Munto (rated with 6)
Onegai Twins (rated with 7)
Planetes (rated with 9)
R.O.D the TV (rated with 8)
RahXephon: Pluralitas Concentio (rated with 7)
Saiyuuki Reload (rated with 7)
Sakura Taisen: Ecole de Paris (rated with 7)
Scrapped Princess (rated with 9)
Stratos 4 (rated with 6)
Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki 3 (rated with 7)
Texhnolyze (rated with 7)
Uchuu no Stellvia (rated with 8)
Wolf's Rain (rated with 9)
Yami to Boushi to Hon no Tabibito (rated with 6)
well, MAL rating it's not objective and represantative by any means.
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Of course not, I said for me...
My score for 80s and 90s are way higher, but that's just because I only watched the best shows so the cherry picking is real.
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Notice how he said that it was for him.
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On July 30 2014 00:02 Ecael wrote:
Notice how he said that it was for him.
well my point was that even for subjective claims mal rating doesn't really prove anything.
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On July 30 2014 00:09 ForTehDarkseid wrote:well my point was that even for subjective claims mal rating doesn't really prove anything.
Please read that a few time and tell me how that sentence make sense...
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Wait what
Subjectively you can rate anime 1-10 on MAL, by rating it 1-10 he has given his opinion on how good he thinks the anime are, he is just using MAL cause its convienient. I suppose he could just use a piece of paper and the end result will still be the same.
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On July 30 2014 00:16 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 00:09 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On July 30 2014 00:02 Ecael wrote:
Notice how he said that it was for him. well my point was that even for subjective claims mal rating doesn't really prove anything. Please read that a few time and tell me how that sentence make sense...
No big deal, I can elaborate.
MAL ratings = numbers only. totally random shit. you watch random quantity of anime for each year, give most of them random numbers (that's why it's not represantive, opinions may change with time), and don't add any kind of mean values and fluctuations into consideration, so what was the point to use 'math' to begin with?
I don't know how you can expect the end result to be CONVINCING for yourself that way, yet alone for other people who don't even know what's the difference between 7 and 8 in your book, for example.
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