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Tenryu
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States565 Posts
May 15 2010 18:30 GMT
#5901
On May 15 2010 23:08 Southlight wrote:
I don't think anyone's really fawning over AB atm O_o


Ah, hope u were being sarcastic =\
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Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-15 20:43:50
May 15 2010 20:05 GMT
#5902
On May 15 2010 18:18 Mystlord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2010 17:41 Ecael wrote:
On May 15 2010 17:39 Mystlord wrote:
On May 15 2010 17:36 Ecael wrote:
Mystlord, the ep6 part for AB, her issue was that the door is not recognized as a target. Her guard skills are only for self defense and defending others, directly. So while that super strength part seems like a joke, well, the way she was taking out guild traps looked rather comical too. Just a case of overpowered making things looking more amusing than they should.

And throwing Takeyama into the air while fishing is considered defense?

When did we think Key makes things consistent across humor and serious sections? Not exactly a plus, but I had a laugh at that part and was willing to not care about why.

Honestly if we really cared, we can find some bullshit excuse to plug that, but I'd sooner just say that consistency hardly matters in that situation.

I'm conflicted as to whether I'm supposed to treat Angel Beats as a comedy or a drama. Stop giving me conflicting messages damn it!

I don't know, did we classify Clannad and Kanon as comedy or drama? ><

I am honestly already at the point of viewing them as two separate shows with the same cast, one show to make me laugh and one show to make me sober.

I have to agree with Shauni here. But if there's one thing Key knew not to do in those shows, it's to mix comedy and drama. Did we ever once during, say, Ichinose's arc see them try to have Tomoya working on the garden in the first 2/3s, then *insert random comedic moment here*, then revert back to a scene of Ichinose crying? Thought not. MJ has clearly outdone himself here =_=.

I think we should replace that with KyoAni and not Key, because I can recall parts in the games where the two comes extremely close to each other. We can even argue that the whole Mei arc functioned like that with little buffer zone.

On May 15 2010 23:08 Southlight wrote:
I don't think anyone's really fawning over AB atm O_o

Not fawning over AB, I am fawning over Tachibana Kanade

On May 15 2010 23:04 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2010 20:14 PH wrote:
Key follows a pretty predictable formula...well, at least they did for Air, Clannad, and Kanon. They start things up light-heartedly with lots of humor and whatnot, trying to draw the audience into the characters and get them to empathize with them, then hit them in the face with a dramatic sledgehammer.

I haven't started Angel Beats yet, but maybe they're just softening you up for something CRAZY later?


How could anyone even try to empathize with any of the so called characters in Angel Beats? They've outdone themselves this time, even if you could find the formulaic character generation in the previous VNs, this has taken it to an extreme level. I'm puzzled over how you guys actually managed to swallow it.

I even enjoy Ichiban a lot more this season, it's more straightforward harem-comedy than the keyshit. It's actually more straightforward than any harem I've seen - usually they tiptoe for 23 episodes with a lame excuse for a story and then something happens in the last episode. But in this one he has already captured all the sluts with his demon-lord charisma only a few episodes in. Reminds me of Akikan.

Missed this post. Basically, I see more of than then your so-called keyshit, so I like the said keyshit more. Seriously, if you read light novels/VN/eroge, you'll see that such situation happens infinitely more often than Key's style.

We can get back to the whole character archetype thing, but I think everyone's opinions are already made fairly clearly. Some of us don't care, some of us care, and I think we have seen them all and so more or less gave up worrying about those lines.
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
May 15 2010 20:17 GMT
#5903
Get chance and luck guys!

Nah i love AB its just easy, fun watching, nice characters, decent story, usual emotional attachment, good comedy

Its what makes good watching

PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
May 16 2010 06:28 GMT
#5904
On May 15 2010 23:04 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2010 20:14 PH wrote:
Key follows a pretty predictable formula...well, at least they did for Air, Clannad, and Kanon. They start things up light-heartedly with lots of humor and whatnot, trying to draw the audience into the characters and get them to empathize with them, then hit them in the face with a dramatic sledgehammer.

I haven't started Angel Beats yet, but maybe they're just softening you up for something CRAZY later?


How could anyone even try to empathize with any of the so called characters in Angel Beats? They've outdone themselves this time, even if you could find the formulaic character generation in the previous VNs, this has taken it to an extreme level. I'm puzzled over how you guys actually managed to swallow it.

I even enjoy Ichiban a lot more this season, it's more straightforward harem-comedy than the keyshit. It's actually more straightforward than any harem I've seen - usually they tiptoe for 23 episodes with a lame excuse for a story and then something happens in the last episode. But in this one he has already captured all the sluts with his demon-lord charisma only a few episodes in. Reminds me of Akikan.

Like I mentioned before, I haven't started watching Angel Beats, or any other show from this season. I haven't so much as seen a youtube clip of it. I was just throwing an idea out there. I'm almost looking forward to the end of the season to see how bad it is...

On May 16 2010 01:49 Mystlord wrote:
@Engrish: I feel fortunate that I never watched those two animes then

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On May 15 2010 20:14 PH wrote:
Key follows a pretty predictable formula...well, at least they did for Air, Clannad, and Kanon. They start things up light-heartedly with lots of humor and whatnot, trying to draw the audience into the characters and get them to empathize with them, then hit them in the face with a dramatic sledgehammer.

I haven't started Angel Beats yet, but maybe they're just softening you up for something CRAZY later?

I have to agree with Shauni here. But if there's one thing Key knew not to do in those shows, it's to mix comedy and drama. Did we ever once during, say, Ichinose's arc see them try to have Tomoya working on the garden in the first 2/3s, then *insert random comedic moment here*, then revert back to a scene of Ichinose crying? Thought not. MJ has clearly outdone himself here =_=.

They begin every arc rather light-hearted, like the whole violin nonsense in the Kotomi arc. They build her up as a moe helpless retard, then throw in all that dramatic stuff after they expect you care about the character to some extent.

Like I've said, I haven't seen any of Angel Beats - I was just throwing that out there.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-16 06:57:40
May 16 2010 06:54 GMT
#5905
For the sake of argument, as well as primarily a defense of those that were anticipating AB with regards to MJ's previous works, notably Little Busters! (his latest, and presumably final, VN)

+ Show Spoiler [gonna contain a lot of LB spoilers so…] +
Personally I'm only really familiar with LB (having played it) and Clannad (having watched it), but here goes.

Little Busters! actually revolves mostly around a little group of friends, who dub themselves the "Little Busters," consisting of Natsume Kyousuke, his little sister Rin, Inohara Masato, Miyazawa Kengo, and the protagonist, Naoe Riki. In a way this is where a lot of the distancing of LB from other similar VNs begins; there's only one girl, and unfortunately it's this specific setup that leads to LB's "minor routes" being watered down and is what, in previous posts, I alluded to with regards to "poor individual routes" etc. I'll expound on that later.

Kyousuke is essentially the first character you're introduced to, but you're introduced to him via third-person, as the game opens with "Kyousuke is coming home!" from his inhuman walk from one city to another for a job interview (and back). And Kyousuke is such a strong "character" that I've actually come to associate his voice actor, Midorikawa Hikaru, with Kyousuke, above all the hundreds of other roles (many memorable) that he's done. He's like the quintessential high school leader; he's incredibly charismatic, cunning, can seemingly do everything, aggressively takes initiative, and doesn't mind being the butt of jokes.

Masato is the prototypical muscle freak, which is played out in the extreme in the game as he routinely chants "muscle! muscle! careful muscle is coming through!" etc. Kengo's more of the smart kendo guy who butts heads with Masato every second of the day, and tends to look down on the Little Busters' lack of growth. Rin is like a cat (quiet, shy, but self-confident; she just dislikes being with people). Main character is a narcoleptic whose parents died in an accident years ago, and he was the last person to round out the Little Busters during elementary school. He looks up to Kyousuke, considering him his "savior."

The story is extremely light-hearted at this point, although there's the very visible specter of the imminent departure of Kyousuke (he's going to graduate, and being a year older than the rest of them, will be gone). As previously pointed out, this is more-or-less necessary for "slice-of-life-turned drama" stories, ie. Honey and Clover.

The weakness of LB comes in the form of the individual stories for the girls whom are added to the Little Busters! as Kyousuke spontaneously decides to make a baseball team, and wants the "group" to be "livelier." The stories are all contrived, tend to jump the shark, and have the same problem as Angel Beats - whilst you find many of the characters fun, the overly dramatic stories just make you want to ram your head through a wall.

But there's a point to it. Which is that the world is not actually real. In the real world everyone's actually in critical condition - they were all on a bus trip, but the bus had a collision and careened down a cliff. Masato and Kengo had made instinctive decisions to shield Rin and Riki, which leads to the two of them being "survivors." But they're not out of the dark, because whilst they're "dreaming" in this fictional world, they're all still lying in the smoking bus, which will imminently burst to flames.

Thus, the VN takes advantage of the repetitive action of VNs to loop Riki through the same world, over and over again. So that he, and Rin, become stronger. Strong enough to be independent of the rest of the Little Busters. The game actually subtly hints at this as their baseball and combat stats actually incrementally rise with every playthrough, and every playthrough gradually adds more random play scenes. This is because the other characters have grown slowly bored of repeating the same lines and actions over and over again, etc.

But wait, what about the five (or six? I forget) girls that were added?

Yeah, exactly. They don't matter. Unfortunately the plot device for LB required repetitive looping, in the form of routes, but the girls were rather obviously added afterwards, and their individual stories were pulled out of someone's (MJ's) ass.

Edit: Although if you want to look at it from a really far distance, and give MJ the benefit of the doubt, the girls are mostly classmates of Riki and Rin, and the fact that they have no idea who these people are at the start of the game is indicative of how utterly and feebly dependant Riki and Rin are to Kyousuke and the band.


The whole of the story, and its presentation, is considered pretty masterful. Even with the weakness of the individual routes, the final revelation arc, keyed in particular by the fact that it focuses solely on the original LB group, makes the VN what it is. And as much as the "light-hearted tone toward dramatic tone" pattern may be similar, the themes touched upon by the VN, as well as the whole "point" of the story, are drastically different, at least in my opinion. It's not even like the usage of the VN looping system to deliver a story is original - KID's works (Never 7, Ever 17, etc.) did it long before LB, and Ever 17 in particular is a much more solid overall story. But it's that "magic" he pulled off with the main story that drew people like myself back toward MJ's stuff.

But the faults I outlined are exactly why I mentioned I was apprehensive about AB prior to and at the onset of the series. Personally, my fears have been realized, and I'm hardly watching AB anymore (I download, them skip through). But I'll have to admit there's still the hope of that final hammer, the same thing that happened to LB, materializing. I'll be happy to admit that when I read through LB, I had lots of thoughts of quitting, but enough people said "it's great it's great" that I kept ploughing on. I'll also point out that the way AB is going, I'm not particularly optimistic about the possibility of a true hammer like that coming in and blowing everyone away enough to make up for the episodes leading up to it.
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ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
May 16 2010 07:42 GMT
#5906
I'm gonna keep watching AB just for kanade and for TK's epic quotes. I laughed every single time he spoke in episode 7

+ Show Spoiler +
CHOPCHOPCHOPCHOP
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
May 17 2010 00:44 GMT
#5907
I started watching Strawberry Panic! because that is the only anime genre I have not seen yet and I am bored as fuck. The show makes me more uncomfortable than Junjou Romantica.
dronebabo
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
10866 Posts
May 17 2010 05:33 GMT
#5908
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
May 17 2010 14:57 GMT
#5909
On May 17 2010 09:44 Shiragaku wrote:
I started watching Strawberry Panic! because that is the only anime genre I have not seen yet and I am bored as fuck. The show makes me more uncomfortable than Junjou Romantica.


Hopefully you don't consider that series typical of the genre, that series was terrrrrrrrible.

Working ep 7 wasn't as good
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Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
May 17 2010 21:37 GMT
#5910
Anyone in here seen NANA? How good is it?
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
May 17 2010 23:33 GMT
#5911
On May 17 2010 23:57 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 09:44 Shiragaku wrote:
I started watching Strawberry Panic! because that is the only anime genre I have not seen yet and I am bored as fuck. The show makes me more uncomfortable than Junjou Romantica.


Hopefully you don't consider that series typical of the genre, that series was terrrrrrrrible.

Working ep 7 wasn't as good


Strawberry panic picks up really late (like, after ep 12 or so it gets pretty good)

Its fun to watch cause its really over the top and i like it for that and it doesn't try to be something it isn't

In terms of animated yuri, my favourite atm is sitll aoi hana, but i havnt watched too many
Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
May 17 2010 23:41 GMT
#5912
On May 18 2010 06:37 Shauni wrote:
Anyone in here seen NANA? How good is it?


Good but cut off, they caught up to the manga and had to stop. Still worth watching if you're not OCD about endings.
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8033 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-18 23:45:27
May 18 2010 23:35 GMT
#5913
Ichiban Ushiro no Daimaou was a fucking trainwreck this week. Well, I guess the show has always been a trainwreck, but they never took themselves too seriously before, so it was still watchable. + Show Spoiler [And then this happens] +
[image loading]

What the hell? It's like something out of Megaman.


Working also did not impress this week. Mostly it's because there was waaay too much drama, but also because Yamada is really annoying. Looks like the androphobe gets more airtime next week, so the shipper in me is pleased.

Have a new chart.
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I'll be watching Shiki for sure. Everything else seems pretty underwhelming at the moment.
Strike Witches 2, lol. I still can't muster the willpower to make myself sit through season 1.
Seitokai Yakuindomo sounds suspiciously similar to Seitokai no Ichizon...

Edit: What's up with naming a series "Legend of the legendary heroes"? Is this a mistranslation, or are they just running out of ideas?
Edit 2: Maybe High School of the Dead will be okay...
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
May 18 2010 23:38 GMT
#5914
Shiki! XDDDDDDDD

Otherwise I agree, they all seem kinda sucky. I'll check out Amagami just 'cuz the game was pretty funny. Also lol @ densetsu no yuusha no densetsu, I don't remember the series being all that good, though.
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Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-18 23:45:38
May 18 2010 23:44 GMT
#5915
And yes, Legend of the Legendary Heroes is the right translation

I might watch Campenella since I rather liked the game for light readings. Otherwise not much of interest.

I'd to reply to that block of text from Southlight if I didn't more or less agree, lol, AB to me is just some way to get more Kanade and interesting use of bgm. If nothing else, MJ delivered on that score for me.

Oh, staring Usotsuki no Mii-kun to Kowareta Maa-chan, when is i supposed to be read? I'll probably just go at it by publish date if there aren't anything in particular involved.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-18 23:49:22
May 18 2010 23:46 GMT
#5916
I don't know if Usotsuki Mii-kun to Kowareta Maa-chan is that good >_> It's reaaaaaaaally inconsistent. It was an interesting premise though

Speaking of LNs,
http://www.h5.dion.ne.jp/~jade/Light Novel1.html

Great review site.

Edit:
Honestly, if you're gonna read something, read Oretsuba <3
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
May 18 2010 23:51 GMT
#5917
Hmmm...Do I see Aisaka Taiga there in Ookamisan to Shichinin no Nakamatachi?
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
May 18 2010 23:52 GMT
#5918
Nothing alike. From what I read of it, 7nin is more for the moeblob-ish people.
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Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
May 18 2010 23:53 GMT
#5919
On May 19 2010 08:46 Southlight wrote:
I don't know if Usotsuki Mii-kun to Kowareta Maa-chan is that good >_> It's reaaaaaaaally inconsistent. It was an interesting premise though

Speaking of LNs,
http://www.h5.dion.ne.jp/~jade/Light Novel1.html

Great review site.

Edit:
Honestly, if you're gonna read something, read Oretsuba <3

Vol 1 was interesting to me, I'll probably read it out. And the day I can read that on my PMP would be when I read oretsuba =/
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
May 18 2010 23:55 GMT
#5920
Strawberry Panic is this love/hate thing. I personally liked it. + Show Spoiler +
Except I didn't get Nagisa/Tamao T_T
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