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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2585 Posts
February 10 2013 23:34 GMT
#52981
On February 11 2013 08:24 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2013 22:29 ragz_gt wrote:
On February 10 2013 20:22 Goldfish wrote:Like people cheering on foreigners/non-Koreans in StarCraft, I sort of the do same with English dubs (if they can pull it off or if they're close and can be enjoyed, it feels really nice... it's like watching a non-Korean (if you're a fan of foreigners) succeed in SC I guess... well that's my comparison/analogy >.>).


With better animation quality all the time, it's becoming more and more difficult for vocal and lip to sync.


Whenever I look at people animating people's mouths in anime it's always just their mouths moving up and down, and rarely do they look like their actually following the words that are coming out the person's mouth.


It has very little to do with lip syncing and a lot to do with talent and experience. Many of the most talented anime VAs tend to also dub over popular Hollywood movies, they just do it better than normal actors. One of the biggest reasons Princess Mononoke did so well internationally was because of the presence of many famous and talented actors, Gillian Anderson from The X Files, Billy Bob Thornton, Minnie Driver from Good Will Hunting, and several others.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
February 10 2013 23:45 GMT
#52982
On February 11 2013 08:24 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2013 22:29 ragz_gt wrote:
On February 10 2013 20:22 Goldfish wrote:Like people cheering on foreigners/non-Koreans in StarCraft, I sort of the do same with English dubs (if they can pull it off or if they're close and can be enjoyed, it feels really nice... it's like watching a non-Korean (if you're a fan of foreigners) succeed in SC I guess... well that's my comparison/analogy >.>).


With better animation quality all the time, it's becoming more and more difficult for vocal and lip to sync.


Whenever I look at people animating people's mouths in anime it's always just their mouths moving up and down, and rarely do they look like their actually following the words that are coming out the person's mouth.


The newer anime is a lot better at this though, which was my point. Also the length of the movement is very important, since usually English takes more pronunciation to communicate same meaning. When lips stopped moving but voice keeps going it becomes somewhat distracting.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 05:06:09
February 11 2013 05:05 GMT
#52983
[image loading]

Well I suck ass at these games but I'll try...
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
February 11 2013 05:32 GMT
#52984
On February 11 2013 08:34 Kaal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2013 08:24 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On February 10 2013 22:29 ragz_gt wrote:
On February 10 2013 20:22 Goldfish wrote:Like people cheering on foreigners/non-Koreans in StarCraft, I sort of the do same with English dubs (if they can pull it off or if they're close and can be enjoyed, it feels really nice... it's like watching a non-Korean (if you're a fan of foreigners) succeed in SC I guess... well that's my comparison/analogy >.>).


With better animation quality all the time, it's becoming more and more difficult for vocal and lip to sync.


Whenever I look at people animating people's mouths in anime it's always just their mouths moving up and down, and rarely do they look like their actually following the words that are coming out the person's mouth.


It has very little to do with lip syncing and a lot to do with talent and experience. Many of the most talented anime VAs tend to also dub over popular Hollywood movies, they just do it better than normal actors. One of the biggest reasons Princess Mononoke did so well internationally was because of the presence of many famous and talented actors, Gillian Anderson from The X Files, Billy Bob Thornton, Minnie Driver from Good Will Hunting, and several others.


I'm not referring to the voices. I'm referring to how they animate their mouths. This is just a relatively small issue, but just comparatively speaking, the accuracy to which animation studios here in America work to make sure the movement of the lips correspond with the words is much better than I've seen in Japan (in my short experience of course).

On February 11 2013 08:45 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2013 08:24 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On February 10 2013 22:29 ragz_gt wrote:
On February 10 2013 20:22 Goldfish wrote:Like people cheering on foreigners/non-Koreans in StarCraft, I sort of the do same with English dubs (if they can pull it off or if they're close and can be enjoyed, it feels really nice... it's like watching a non-Korean (if you're a fan of foreigners) succeed in SC I guess... well that's my comparison/analogy >.>).


With better animation quality all the time, it's becoming more and more difficult for vocal and lip to sync.


Whenever I look at people animating people's mouths in anime it's always just their mouths moving up and down, and rarely do they look like their actually following the words that are coming out the person's mouth.


The newer anime is a lot better at this though, which was my point. Also the length of the movement is very important, since usually English takes more pronunciation to communicate same meaning. When lips stopped moving but voice keeps going it becomes somewhat distracting.


Agreed, but I haven't seen a lot of new anime really demonstrate that they're better. If I recall correctly, a lot of these studios just don't have as much money, so I'm assuming a lot of times, relatively unimportant stuff like making sure the lips are drawn in sync with the words just isn't considered amid the other priorities?
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
February 11 2013 05:42 GMT
#52985
So I started to watch Kaiji up to episode 10 after he leaves the cruise he is invited to the party and it's enjoyable at times but the anime feels like it's dragging out scenes with characters repeating points. I also found myself wanting to skip all of Kaiji's thought processes to the point where he "solves" things instead of trying to have to follow what the distribution of cards means. I suppose I've just become a lazy viewer and watching this series reminds me of when I watched Case Closed/Detective Conan.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 12:17:38
February 11 2013 12:16 GMT
#52986
On February 11 2013 14:05 Southlight wrote:
[image loading]

Well I suck ass at these games but I'll try...


Nobunaga's Ambition mods are fun, but Tendou itself is not as good as previous ones. Kakushin is much better. I remember playing a mod with all Touhou charas.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Dingotrold
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark622 Posts
February 11 2013 15:08 GMT
#52987
On February 11 2013 08:34 Kaal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2013 08:24 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On February 10 2013 22:29 ragz_gt wrote:
On February 10 2013 20:22 Goldfish wrote:Like people cheering on foreigners/non-Koreans in StarCraft, I sort of the do same with English dubs (if they can pull it off or if they're close and can be enjoyed, it feels really nice... it's like watching a non-Korean (if you're a fan of foreigners) succeed in SC I guess... well that's my comparison/analogy >.>).


With better animation quality all the time, it's becoming more and more difficult for vocal and lip to sync.


Whenever I look at people animating people's mouths in anime it's always just their mouths moving up and down, and rarely do they look like their actually following the words that are coming out the person's mouth.


It has very little to do with lip syncing and a lot to do with talent and experience. Many of the most talented anime VAs tend to also dub over popular Hollywood movies, they just do it better than normal actors. One of the biggest reasons Princess Mononoke did so well internationally was because of the presence of many famous and talented actors, Gillian Anderson from The X Files, Billy Bob Thornton, Minnie Driver from Good Will Hunting, and several others.


Gillian Anderson was a-ma-zing in Mononoke.
Soft is the blade that is the heart || 万歳!
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 15:49:04
February 11 2013 15:34 GMT
#52988
On February 11 2013 14:42 BlackMagister wrote:
So I started to watch Kaiji up to episode 10 after he leaves the cruise he is invited to the party and it's enjoyable at times but the anime feels like it's dragging out scenes with characters repeating points. I also found myself wanting to skip all of Kaiji's thought processes to the point where he "solves" things instead of trying to have to follow what the distribution of cards means. I suppose I've just become a lazy viewer and watching this series reminds me of when I watched Case Closed/Detective Conan.

Don't bother with the actual intellectual tricks and problem solving. Problems are honestly not hard in Kaiji.
You just have to feel deep in your soul the sheer manliness, the moe, the zawa-zawa, the narrator's voice, the psychological struggle, Taniuchi's music, the Kaiji-san spam, the unnecessarily epic metaphors and allegories. Take it all in. At once.
That's Kaiji.
Kyyuna
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1222 Posts
February 11 2013 18:46 GMT
#52989
Is there like a Manga discussion thread or does it fall into this thread? If not I still want to vent off some serious steam.

Latest chapter of Hajime No Ippo, fuck you morikawa if you go through with it!



On a related note concerning to anime, Boku wa tomodachi/Initial D 5th Stage being watch this season, waiting on Kizemonogatari to come out.
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
February 11 2013 18:56 GMT
#52990
On February 12 2013 03:46 Kyyuna wrote:
Is there like a Manga discussion thread or does it fall into this thread? If not I still want to vent off some serious steam.

Latest chapter of Hajime No Ippo, fuck you morikawa if you go through with it!



On a related note concerning to anime, Boku wa tomodachi/Initial D 5th Stage being watch this season, waiting on Kizemonogatari to come out.


Be prepared for a long wait.


Chaos; Head: okay a lot of the green delusions are hilarious as well.

True Tears:

Worst mom award goes to...
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
February 11 2013 19:01 GMT
#52991
Shit dude, watched 2 episodes of Lucky Star and Konata is hilarious.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 19:14:24
February 11 2013 19:14 GMT
#52992
On February 12 2013 04:01 IMoperator wrote:
Shit dude, watched 2 episodes of Lucky Star and Konata is hilarious.

Really? Which part of those two episodes was she hilarious in?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
February 11 2013 19:17 GMT
#52993
On February 11 2013 21:16 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2013 14:05 Southlight wrote:
[image loading]

Well I suck ass at these games but I'll try...


Nobunaga's Ambition mods are fun, but Tendou itself is not as good as previous ones. Kakushin is much better. I remember playing a mod with all Touhou charas.

the touhou one was amusing but became quickly boring because of how broken some touhous were. Like tenshi and iku were broken as fuck (lol lightning and earthquake), reisen was broken as fuck, cirno could become broken as fuck (during le winter)

meanwhile sakuya was meh, reimu was meh, and ufo had like 30 heroes
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
February 11 2013 19:19 GMT
#52994
On February 12 2013 04:14 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2013 04:01 IMoperator wrote:
Shit dude, watched 2 episodes of Lucky Star and Konata is hilarious.

Really? Which part of those two episodes was she hilarious in?

all of them
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 19:20:11
February 11 2013 19:20 GMT
#52995
On February 12 2013 04:19 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2013 04:14 Sentenal wrote:
On February 12 2013 04:01 IMoperator wrote:
Shit dude, watched 2 episodes of Lucky Star and Konata is hilarious.

Really? Which part of those two episodes was she hilarious in?

all of them

Don't you have to be funny in order to be hilarious? Or make jokes, or generally have some sort of humor going on?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
February 11 2013 19:29 GMT
#52996
On February 12 2013 04:20 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2013 04:19 OutlaW- wrote:
On February 12 2013 04:14 Sentenal wrote:
On February 12 2013 04:01 IMoperator wrote:
Shit dude, watched 2 episodes of Lucky Star and Konata is hilarious.

Really? Which part of those two episodes was she hilarious in?

all of them

Don't you have to be funny in order to be hilarious? Or make jokes, or generally have some sort of humor going on?

Lol do you have no sense of humor or something? The part where it showed her over break doing no work and then calling Kagami to have a study group right after Miyuki did, whenever she just randomly interjects stuff about games into conversations, her having few real life friends but talks about all her friends online... it's just so much like me and a lot of people I know.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
February 11 2013 19:39 GMT
#52997
On February 12 2013 04:29 IMoperator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2013 04:20 Sentenal wrote:
On February 12 2013 04:19 OutlaW- wrote:
On February 12 2013 04:14 Sentenal wrote:
On February 12 2013 04:01 IMoperator wrote:
Shit dude, watched 2 episodes of Lucky Star and Konata is hilarious.

Really? Which part of those two episodes was she hilarious in?

all of them

Don't you have to be funny in order to be hilarious? Or make jokes, or generally have some sort of humor going on?

Lol do you have no sense of humor or something? The part where it showed her over break doing no work and then calling Kagami to have a study group right after Miyuki did, whenever she just randomly interjects stuff about games into conversations, her having few real life friends but talks about all her friends online... it's just so much like me and a lot of people I know.

Oh wow. That is the funniest thing I've ever heard of. So its funny when people are talking, and then you randomly interject otaku stuff. You are like that too? I bet you would be the life of all your friend's parties.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
February 11 2013 19:40 GMT
#52998


Lol you guys, stop feeding Sent.
Skol
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
February 11 2013 19:51 GMT
#52999
On February 12 2013 04:40 Emnjay808 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5KH9Z383hE

Lol you guys, stop feeding Sent.

[14:48] <Hcorp> the funniest thing about lucky star is that people like it
[14:48] <Sentenal> lol H
[14:48] <Sentenal> funniest thing or saddest thing?
[14:48] <Hcorp> maybe both
[14:48] <Caller> laughing so hard you cry
[14:50] <Elem> [20:48:35] <Hcorp> the funniest thing about lucky star is that people like it
[14:50] <Elem> lmao
[14:50] <Elem> word
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 20:00:13
February 11 2013 19:56 GMT
#53000
On February 12 2013 04:19 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2013 04:14 Sentenal wrote:
On February 12 2013 04:01 IMoperator wrote:
Shit dude, watched 2 episodes of Lucky Star and Konata is hilarious.

Really? Which part of those two episodes was she hilarious in?

all of them


Wait... you are alive? Thought you got permed.

Problem with Lucky Star is that not only it's filled with anime references, it got a ton of culture references. Even worse, culture references from 30 years ago. So the target audience is like mid aged person.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
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