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Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
September 02 2012 17:10 GMT
#46041
On September 02 2012 22:34 ragz_gt wrote:
Is it me or Elizabeth's bust size looks much bigger than Mary's??! WTF??!

Cowtits everywhere, too hard to distinguish at this point.

Rereading that part of vol 2, they actually didn't cut that many lines from Segundo, but they cutted all the lines from his subordinates that makes his lines manly tears. Sunrise you fucking blow.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
September 02 2012 17:45 GMT
#46042
On September 03 2012 02:10 Ecael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 22:34 ragz_gt wrote:
Is it me or Elizabeth's bust size looks much bigger than Mary's??! WTF??!

Cowtits everywhere, too hard to distinguish at this point.

Rereading that part of vol 2, they actually didn't cut that many lines from Segundo, but they cutted all the lines from his subordinates that makes his lines manly tears. Sunrise you fucking blow.

I asked Uta this, but out of curiosity, why do you blame the studio itself for your problems with Horizon, rather than the staff? Seems like most of your issues about pacing and things getting cut out would be due to the director, rather than the studio that just happens to produce it.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 17:51:06
September 02 2012 17:48 GMT
#46043
On September 03 2012 01:37 solidbebe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 01:32 ragz_gt wrote:
Bakemonogatari / Nisemonogatari

To be fair the mc does end up getting beat up a lot, unless he sees innocent little middle school girls, he likes to beat those up lol.

lol.

On September 03 2012 01:44 OutlaW- wrote:
araragi is great; i wish more mcs were like him

http://myanimelist.net/anime/7647/Arakawa_Under_the_Bridge
Skol
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 18:28:34
September 02 2012 18:25 GMT
#46044
On September 03 2012 02:45 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 02:10 Ecael wrote:
On September 02 2012 22:34 ragz_gt wrote:
Is it me or Elizabeth's bust size looks much bigger than Mary's??! WTF??!

Cowtits everywhere, too hard to distinguish at this point.

Rereading that part of vol 2, they actually didn't cut that many lines from Segundo, but they cutted all the lines from his subordinates that makes his lines manly tears. Sunrise you fucking blow.

I asked Uta this, but out of curiosity, why do you blame the studio itself for your problems with Horizon, rather than the staff? Seems like most of your issues about pacing and things getting cut out would be due to the director, rather than the studio that just happens to produce it.

Because the studio itself has never worked out a good talking anime when they can't just copy paste everything from the source? It just isn't something that Sunrise has been known to do. I like my Gundams, but Gundam doesn't have source materials that spend endless pages on talking, rather it demonstrates a point through other means. Most of the important things in Horizon lies in talking and interpreting what people say and do, but the style is such that you can't expect it to work from just copy paste. And as to be expected, they package the show like a gakuenmono-esque shounen action when it is a full fledged historical fiction simply because that's what you'd get when you 1, cut lines to make time fit, 2, can't properly interpret the source material and place it into anime form proper.

So a question back to you, is there a group of staff from Sunrise that you'd want to see do Bakemonogatari and Kino no Tabi?
On September 03 2012 01:37 solidbebe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 01:32 ragz_gt wrote:
Bakemonogatari / Nisemonogatari

To be fair the mc does end up getting beat up a lot, unless he sees innocent little middle school girls, he likes to beat those up lol.

Elementary school, though if you count the time between past and now she is well into college/graduated from college age wise.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
September 02 2012 18:45 GMT
#46045
On September 03 2012 03:25 Ecael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 02:45 Sentenal wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:10 Ecael wrote:
On September 02 2012 22:34 ragz_gt wrote:
Is it me or Elizabeth's bust size looks much bigger than Mary's??! WTF??!

Cowtits everywhere, too hard to distinguish at this point.

Rereading that part of vol 2, they actually didn't cut that many lines from Segundo, but they cutted all the lines from his subordinates that makes his lines manly tears. Sunrise you fucking blow.

I asked Uta this, but out of curiosity, why do you blame the studio itself for your problems with Horizon, rather than the staff? Seems like most of your issues about pacing and things getting cut out would be due to the director, rather than the studio that just happens to produce it.

Because the studio itself has never worked out a good talking anime when they can't just copy paste everything from the source? It just isn't something that Sunrise has been known to do. I like my Gundams, but Gundam doesn't have source materials that spend endless pages on talking, rather it demonstrates a point through other means. Most of the important things in Horizon lies in talking and interpreting what people say and do, but the style is such that you can't expect it to work from just copy paste. And as to be expected, they package the show like a gakuenmono-esque shounen action when it is a full fledged historical fiction simply because that's what you'd get when you 1, cut lines to make time fit, 2, can't properly interpret the source material and place it into anime form proper.

So a question back to you, is there a group of staff from Sunrise that you'd want to see do Bakemonogatari and Kino no Tabi?
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 01:37 solidbebe wrote:
On September 03 2012 01:32 ragz_gt wrote:
Bakemonogatari / Nisemonogatari

To be fair the mc does end up getting beat up a lot, unless he sees innocent little middle school girls, he likes to beat those up lol.

Elementary school, though if you count the time between past and now she is well into college/graduated from college age wise.

Is Crest and Banner of the Stars not a good talking anime? Anyway, staff like directors and stuff move inter-changeably through various different studios, so I still think its unfair to blame the studio as a whole for a single director's work there, especially considering Sunrise's massive size that dwarfs most other studios. I guess if your problem with Sunrise adapting Horizon is the the staff they actually chose to do it, I can understand that complaint, but alot of the times it sounds like simply blaming the studio itself for the work of those they chose, when there are tons and tons of different production staff within, which is kinda unfair imo. Not sure if I'm making sense.

To answer your question, I can't really think of any staff at Sunrise I'd want to see do Bake. But... You know my thoughts on Bake, lol. I didn't even like Shaft doing Bake. But I know that Sunrise did Seikai good, and that show has massive amounts of dialogue, so maybe the staff that did that could handle Horizon?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
September 02 2012 18:53 GMT
#46046
Seikai is like one of 300 shows done by Sunrise, and has hardly any dialogue compared to the sheer magnitude of Horizon. It just seems like a dialogue-heavy show because, surprise surprise, compared other Sunrise stuff...
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 18:57:31
September 02 2012 18:56 GMT
#46047
No, it is dialogue-heavy show compared to another anime in general. Not simply Sunrise shows. You would have to be retarded to think otherwise. Also Uta, you are really good at cherry-picking stuff out of discussions and ignoring points.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 19:23:19
September 02 2012 19:16 GMT
#46048
On September 03 2012 03:56 Sentenal wrote:
No, it is dialogue-heavy show compared to another anime in general. Not simply Sunrise shows. You would have to be retarded to think otherwise. Also Uta, you are really good at cherry-picking stuff out of discussions and ignoring points.

Note how I was specific about how they can't do it when they can't copy and paste the source material. Since you've never seen Seikai's source, you'll just have to take my word for it. They C&P'd it and the source just requires minimal effort to animate well.

Seikai is pretty dialogue heavy in general, but in comparison to Horizon lol, it doesn't even compare. All of Seikai stuff out so far are about as long as one vol of Horizon.
On September 03 2012 03:45 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 03:25 Ecael wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:45 Sentenal wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:10 Ecael wrote:
On September 02 2012 22:34 ragz_gt wrote:
Is it me or Elizabeth's bust size looks much bigger than Mary's??! WTF??!

Cowtits everywhere, too hard to distinguish at this point.

Rereading that part of vol 2, they actually didn't cut that many lines from Segundo, but they cutted all the lines from his subordinates that makes his lines manly tears. Sunrise you fucking blow.

I asked Uta this, but out of curiosity, why do you blame the studio itself for your problems with Horizon, rather than the staff? Seems like most of your issues about pacing and things getting cut out would be due to the director, rather than the studio that just happens to produce it.

Because the studio itself has never worked out a good talking anime when they can't just copy paste everything from the source? It just isn't something that Sunrise has been known to do. I like my Gundams, but Gundam doesn't have source materials that spend endless pages on talking, rather it demonstrates a point through other means. Most of the important things in Horizon lies in talking and interpreting what people say and do, but the style is such that you can't expect it to work from just copy paste. And as to be expected, they package the show like a gakuenmono-esque shounen action when it is a full fledged historical fiction simply because that's what you'd get when you 1, cut lines to make time fit, 2, can't properly interpret the source material and place it into anime form proper.

So a question back to you, is there a group of staff from Sunrise that you'd want to see do Bakemonogatari and Kino no Tabi?
On September 03 2012 01:37 solidbebe wrote:
On September 03 2012 01:32 ragz_gt wrote:
Bakemonogatari / Nisemonogatari

To be fair the mc does end up getting beat up a lot, unless he sees innocent little middle school girls, he likes to beat those up lol.

Elementary school, though if you count the time between past and now she is well into college/graduated from college age wise.

Is Crest and Banner of the Stars not a good talking anime? Anyway, staff like directors and stuff move inter-changeably through various different studios, so I still think its unfair to blame the studio as a whole for a single director's work there, especially considering Sunrise's massive size that dwarfs most other studios. I guess if your problem with Sunrise adapting Horizon is the the staff they actually chose to do it, I can understand that complaint, but alot of the times it sounds like simply blaming the studio itself for the work of those they chose, when there are tons and tons of different production staff within, which is kinda unfair imo. Not sure if I'm making sense.

To answer your question, I can't really think of any staff at Sunrise I'd want to see do Bake. But... You know my thoughts on Bake, lol. I didn't even like Shaft doing Bake. But I know that Sunrise did Seikai good, and that show has massive amounts of dialogue, so maybe the staff that did that could handle Horizon?

See above about Seikai.

Except it is pretty much the studio that chooses the direction of what they do, can you bring up anything that isn't Seikai that's remotely close to what Horizon is like? The staff argument makes 0 sense if you want to talk about fluidity, because if they were perfectly fluid then you'd see no different between studios and styles be different purely by genre, certainly not what we see happen. Realistically, staff isn't perfectly fluid and studios have their preferences, which we can kind of guess with their past works. So Sunrise the studio choose a bunch of staff among the ones they have access in order to animate Horizon. However, the entire range of staff that defined Sunrise didn't cover Horizon and produced this abnomination. It would be the studio's fault if they choose the wrong set of staff, it would still be the studio's fault if they simply can't pick a bunch of people that can do it.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 19:32:06
September 02 2012 19:24 GMT
#46049
On September 03 2012 04:16 Ecael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 03:56 Sentenal wrote:
No, it is dialogue-heavy show compared to another anime in general. Not simply Sunrise shows. You would have to be retarded to think otherwise. Also Uta, you are really good at cherry-picking stuff out of discussions and ignoring points.

Note how I was specific about how they can't do it when they can't copy and paste the source material. Since you've never seen Seikai's source, you'll just have to take my word for it. They C&P'd it and the source just requires minimal effort to animate well.

Seikai is pretty dialogue heavy in general, but in comparison to Horizon lol, it doesn't even compare. All of Seikai stuff out so far are about as long as one vol of Horizon.

Alright, I'll take your word on it on Seikai. I still don't see Horizon being rushed the way it is as being the fault of the studio itself, rather than being the fault of the staff chosen to do the animation. If its the studio itself, its sound as if you are saying there is some standard at Sunrise that says "dialogue must be cut for the sake of time!" etc etc.


As far as how directors and such move around, they do. The guy directing Horizon is Ono Manabu, right? Prior to Horizon he directed Saki with Gonzo, and A-Channel with Aniplex. Is it Sunrises' fault that they picked this guy to direct it? Yeah, but beyond the actual selection of this dude to direct it, don't you think that more blame for how Horizon has been handled should be given to him, rather than blanket dumping it on the entire studio?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
September 02 2012 19:27 GMT
#46050
On September 03 2012 02:06 Maxie wrote:
Oh God I love fairies.


Too much information
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 19:33:13
September 02 2012 19:32 GMT
#46051
On September 03 2012 04:27 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 02:06 Maxie wrote:
Oh God I love fairies.


Too much information


Jinsui.

That work for you ningen san ??
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 19:34:41
September 02 2012 19:33 GMT
#46052
On September 03 2012 04:24 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 04:16 Ecael wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:56 Sentenal wrote:
No, it is dialogue-heavy show compared to another anime in general. Not simply Sunrise shows. You would have to be retarded to think otherwise. Also Uta, you are really good at cherry-picking stuff out of discussions and ignoring points.

Note how I was specific about how they can't do it when they can't copy and paste the source material. Since you've never seen Seikai's source, you'll just have to take my word for it. They C&P'd it and the source just requires minimal effort to animate well.

Seikai is pretty dialogue heavy in general, but in comparison to Horizon lol, it doesn't even compare. All of Seikai stuff out so far are about as long as one vol of Horizon.

Alright, I'll take your word on it on Seikai. I still don't see Horizon being rushed the way it is as being the fault of the studio itself, rather than being the fault of the staff chosen to do the animation. If its the studio itself, its sound as if you are saying there is some standard at Sunrise that says "dialogue must be cut for the sake of time!" etc etc.


As far as how directors and such move around, they do. The guy directing Horizon is Ono Manabu, right? Prior to Horizon he directed Saki with Gonzo, and A-Channel with Aniplex. Is it Sunrises' fault that they picked this guy to direct it? Yeah, but beyond the actual selection of this dude to direct it, don't you think that more blame for how Horizon has been handled should be given to him, rather than blanket dumping it on the entire studio?

So an organization is free of blame for the employee they choose to hire? I like that logic.

Also, it is totally the studio's decision in terms of how much money they want to shell into a project. So if I can fault whoever doing SAO for that shitty adaptation, I can fault Sunrise for not investing $ for 24eps.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 19:37:28
September 02 2012 19:35 GMT
#46053
On September 03 2012 04:33 Ecael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 04:24 Sentenal wrote:
On September 03 2012 04:16 Ecael wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:56 Sentenal wrote:
No, it is dialogue-heavy show compared to another anime in general. Not simply Sunrise shows. You would have to be retarded to think otherwise. Also Uta, you are really good at cherry-picking stuff out of discussions and ignoring points.

Note how I was specific about how they can't do it when they can't copy and paste the source material. Since you've never seen Seikai's source, you'll just have to take my word for it. They C&P'd it and the source just requires minimal effort to animate well.

Seikai is pretty dialogue heavy in general, but in comparison to Horizon lol, it doesn't even compare. All of Seikai stuff out so far are about as long as one vol of Horizon.

Alright, I'll take your word on it on Seikai. I still don't see Horizon being rushed the way it is as being the fault of the studio itself, rather than being the fault of the staff chosen to do the animation. If its the studio itself, its sound as if you are saying there is some standard at Sunrise that says "dialogue must be cut for the sake of time!" etc etc.


As far as how directors and such move around, they do. The guy directing Horizon is Ono Manabu, right? Prior to Horizon he directed Saki with Gonzo, and A-Channel with Aniplex. Is it Sunrises' fault that they picked this guy to direct it? Yeah, but beyond the actual selection of this dude to direct it, don't you think that more blame for how Horizon has been handled should be given to him, rather than blanket dumping it on the entire studio?

So an organization is free of blame for the employee they choose to hire? I like that logic.

That's not what I said, and you can even see in that post you quoted I said they aren't free of blame. I'm saying there should be shared blame, while all of your complaints is practically excusing the employee (the staff they hired in this case) for their work.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
September 02 2012 19:38 GMT
#46054
On September 03 2012 04:35 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 04:33 Ecael wrote:
On September 03 2012 04:24 Sentenal wrote:
On September 03 2012 04:16 Ecael wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:56 Sentenal wrote:
No, it is dialogue-heavy show compared to another anime in general. Not simply Sunrise shows. You would have to be retarded to think otherwise. Also Uta, you are really good at cherry-picking stuff out of discussions and ignoring points.

Note how I was specific about how they can't do it when they can't copy and paste the source material. Since you've never seen Seikai's source, you'll just have to take my word for it. They C&P'd it and the source just requires minimal effort to animate well.

Seikai is pretty dialogue heavy in general, but in comparison to Horizon lol, it doesn't even compare. All of Seikai stuff out so far are about as long as one vol of Horizon.

Alright, I'll take your word on it on Seikai. I still don't see Horizon being rushed the way it is as being the fault of the studio itself, rather than being the fault of the staff chosen to do the animation. If its the studio itself, its sound as if you are saying there is some standard at Sunrise that says "dialogue must be cut for the sake of time!" etc etc.


As far as how directors and such move around, they do. The guy directing Horizon is Ono Manabu, right? Prior to Horizon he directed Saki with Gonzo, and A-Channel with Aniplex. Is it Sunrises' fault that they picked this guy to direct it? Yeah, but beyond the actual selection of this dude to direct it, don't you think that more blame for how Horizon has been handled should be given to him, rather than blanket dumping it on the entire studio?

So an organization is free of blame for the employee they choose to hire? I like that logic.

That's not what I said, and you can even see in that post you quoted they aren't free of blame. I'm saying there should be shared blame, while all of your complaints is practically excusing the employee (the staff they hired in this case) for their work.

The employees also share blame in that they are hired by Sunrise and turned the project into fail, happy? I mean, I pretty much hate on the entire Horizon project, what more do you want. Specifically calling out staff names and going omg h4teh4te?
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 19:47:51
September 02 2012 19:39 GMT
#46055
On September 03 2012 04:38 Ecael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 04:35 Sentenal wrote:
On September 03 2012 04:33 Ecael wrote:
On September 03 2012 04:24 Sentenal wrote:
On September 03 2012 04:16 Ecael wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:56 Sentenal wrote:
No, it is dialogue-heavy show compared to another anime in general. Not simply Sunrise shows. You would have to be retarded to think otherwise. Also Uta, you are really good at cherry-picking stuff out of discussions and ignoring points.

Note how I was specific about how they can't do it when they can't copy and paste the source material. Since you've never seen Seikai's source, you'll just have to take my word for it. They C&P'd it and the source just requires minimal effort to animate well.

Seikai is pretty dialogue heavy in general, but in comparison to Horizon lol, it doesn't even compare. All of Seikai stuff out so far are about as long as one vol of Horizon.

Alright, I'll take your word on it on Seikai. I still don't see Horizon being rushed the way it is as being the fault of the studio itself, rather than being the fault of the staff chosen to do the animation. If its the studio itself, its sound as if you are saying there is some standard at Sunrise that says "dialogue must be cut for the sake of time!" etc etc.


As far as how directors and such move around, they do. The guy directing Horizon is Ono Manabu, right? Prior to Horizon he directed Saki with Gonzo, and A-Channel with Aniplex. Is it Sunrises' fault that they picked this guy to direct it? Yeah, but beyond the actual selection of this dude to direct it, don't you think that more blame for how Horizon has been handled should be given to him, rather than blanket dumping it on the entire studio?

So an organization is free of blame for the employee they choose to hire? I like that logic.

That's not what I said, and you can even see in that post you quoted they aren't free of blame. I'm saying there should be shared blame, while all of your complaints is practically excusing the employee (the staff they hired in this case) for their work.

The employees also share blame in that they are hired by Sunrise and turned the project into fail, happy? I mean, I pretty much hate on the entire Horizon project, what more do you want. Specifically calling out staff names and going omg h4teh4te?

Blaming the entire company for stuff you don't like in Horizon is like blaming the studio doing Gundam Unicorn or Age for stuff going bad in Horizon. Thus why I'm like "wtf why are you blaming the entire company".
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
September 02 2012 19:50 GMT
#46056
On September 03 2012 04:39 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 04:38 Ecael wrote:
On September 03 2012 04:35 Sentenal wrote:
On September 03 2012 04:33 Ecael wrote:
On September 03 2012 04:24 Sentenal wrote:
On September 03 2012 04:16 Ecael wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:56 Sentenal wrote:
No, it is dialogue-heavy show compared to another anime in general. Not simply Sunrise shows. You would have to be retarded to think otherwise. Also Uta, you are really good at cherry-picking stuff out of discussions and ignoring points.

Note how I was specific about how they can't do it when they can't copy and paste the source material. Since you've never seen Seikai's source, you'll just have to take my word for it. They C&P'd it and the source just requires minimal effort to animate well.

Seikai is pretty dialogue heavy in general, but in comparison to Horizon lol, it doesn't even compare. All of Seikai stuff out so far are about as long as one vol of Horizon.

Alright, I'll take your word on it on Seikai. I still don't see Horizon being rushed the way it is as being the fault of the studio itself, rather than being the fault of the staff chosen to do the animation. If its the studio itself, its sound as if you are saying there is some standard at Sunrise that says "dialogue must be cut for the sake of time!" etc etc.


As far as how directors and such move around, they do. The guy directing Horizon is Ono Manabu, right? Prior to Horizon he directed Saki with Gonzo, and A-Channel with Aniplex. Is it Sunrises' fault that they picked this guy to direct it? Yeah, but beyond the actual selection of this dude to direct it, don't you think that more blame for how Horizon has been handled should be given to him, rather than blanket dumping it on the entire studio?

So an organization is free of blame for the employee they choose to hire? I like that logic.

That's not what I said, and you can even see in that post you quoted they aren't free of blame. I'm saying there should be shared blame, while all of your complaints is practically excusing the employee (the staff they hired in this case) for their work.

The employees also share blame in that they are hired by Sunrise and turned the project into fail, happy? I mean, I pretty much hate on the entire Horizon project, what more do you want. Specifically calling out staff names and going omg h4teh4te?

Blaming the entire company of stuff you don't like in Horizon is like blaming the studio doing Gundam Unicorn or Age for stuff going bad in Horizon. Thus why I'm like "wtf why are you blaming the entire company".

Because the entire company sucks and hasn't really managed to produce anything good that isn't called Gundam? I can respect Gundam, I can't respect anything else they do really, good thing they don't do anything else in particular nowadays.

Horizon is a case of horrible project management from Sunrise. I don't know what makes them think that it would be a good idea to do it as one cour show, but they did it anyway. Honestly, if anything, their success w/ Gundam should be used to bitch even more about them. You are doing multiple movie level works in Unicorn, you are doing a ummm...4? cour show in Age. If you are financially limited by that, why do Horizon? If you aren't used to doing shows like Horizon, why pick it up? I might not like the shit that kyoani has been pumping out lately, but I can respect how they refuse to do FMP and LB in order to keep a level of quality for the things that they do animate. You pick what you can do and put the money and effort into it. If you fail to do that, then as an organization you have failed.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
September 02 2012 19:57 GMT
#46057
I'd say Keroro Gunso and Gintama are really good. But yeah, they fail at anything that fail at deep plotline.
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solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
September 02 2012 19:58 GMT
#46058
Gintama not for plotlines yo!
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
September 02 2012 19:59 GMT
#46059
i gotta question, is there any anime that doesn't have lame backstories?

like, a character that doesn't have some really lame and really depressing backstory that has to be dwelled upon for like fifteen episodes? or possibly even a show where the really lame and depressing backstories are shown, rather than straight up told?

it just seems like the entire medium is focused around creating a character and then showing me every bad thing that has ever happened to them in long ass, boring flashbacks.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
September 02 2012 19:59 GMT
#46060
On September 03 2012 04:50 Ecael wrote:
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On September 03 2012 04:39 Sentenal wrote:
On September 03 2012 04:38 Ecael wrote:
On September 03 2012 04:35 Sentenal wrote:
On September 03 2012 04:33 Ecael wrote:
On September 03 2012 04:24 Sentenal wrote:
On September 03 2012 04:16 Ecael wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:56 Sentenal wrote:
No, it is dialogue-heavy show compared to another anime in general. Not simply Sunrise shows. You would have to be retarded to think otherwise. Also Uta, you are really good at cherry-picking stuff out of discussions and ignoring points.

Note how I was specific about how they can't do it when they can't copy and paste the source material. Since you've never seen Seikai's source, you'll just have to take my word for it. They C&P'd it and the source just requires minimal effort to animate well.

Seikai is pretty dialogue heavy in general, but in comparison to Horizon lol, it doesn't even compare. All of Seikai stuff out so far are about as long as one vol of Horizon.

Alright, I'll take your word on it on Seikai. I still don't see Horizon being rushed the way it is as being the fault of the studio itself, rather than being the fault of the staff chosen to do the animation. If its the studio itself, its sound as if you are saying there is some standard at Sunrise that says "dialogue must be cut for the sake of time!" etc etc.


As far as how directors and such move around, they do. The guy directing Horizon is Ono Manabu, right? Prior to Horizon he directed Saki with Gonzo, and A-Channel with Aniplex. Is it Sunrises' fault that they picked this guy to direct it? Yeah, but beyond the actual selection of this dude to direct it, don't you think that more blame for how Horizon has been handled should be given to him, rather than blanket dumping it on the entire studio?

So an organization is free of blame for the employee they choose to hire? I like that logic.

That's not what I said, and you can even see in that post you quoted they aren't free of blame. I'm saying there should be shared blame, while all of your complaints is practically excusing the employee (the staff they hired in this case) for their work.

The employees also share blame in that they are hired by Sunrise and turned the project into fail, happy? I mean, I pretty much hate on the entire Horizon project, what more do you want. Specifically calling out staff names and going omg h4teh4te?

Blaming the entire company of stuff you don't like in Horizon is like blaming the studio doing Gundam Unicorn or Age for stuff going bad in Horizon. Thus why I'm like "wtf why are you blaming the entire company".

Because the entire company sucks and hasn't really managed to produce anything good that isn't called Gundam? I can respect Gundam, I can't respect anything else they do really, good thing they don't do anything else in particular nowadays.

Horizon is a case of horrible project management from Sunrise. I don't know what makes them think that it would be a good idea to do it as one cour show, but they did it anyway. Honestly, if anything, their success w/ Gundam should be used to bitch even more about them. You are doing multiple movie level works in Unicorn, you are doing a ummm...4? cour show in Age. If you are financially limited by that, why do Horizon? If you aren't used to doing shows like Horizon, why pick it up? I might not like the shit that kyoani has been pumping out lately, but I can respect how they refuse to do FMP and LB in order to keep a level of quality for the things that they do animate. You pick what you can do and put the money and effort into it. If you fail to do that, then as an organization you have failed.

I'm not even gonna start about the "they can't do anything other than Gundam", which is just untrue lol. Horizon's problems aren't budget problems. Sunrise doesn't even know what a money/budget problems is, with all the different cash cow shows they have (Gundam, Code Geass, Tiger and Bunny). Horizon's problems in direction, not funding or budget. I'll say it again, blaming the entire studio for things you don't like about Horizon is crazy.
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