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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 22 2011 14:42 GMT
#20401
On April 22 2011 23:20 Ecael wrote:
IS vol7 already showed up on torrents and no Hanamonogatari scans yet, sigh.

EDIT - Right, another new character because we totally needed one, and while we are at it let's make her a megane imouto chara.


I guess they realized they needed to hook Ecael in better.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
April 22 2011 14:55 GMT
#20402
On April 22 2011 23:42 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2011 23:20 Ecael wrote:
IS vol7 already showed up on torrents and no Hanamonogatari scans yet, sigh.

EDIT - Right, another new character because we totally needed one, and while we are at it let's make her a megane imouto chara.


I guess they realized they needed to hook Ecael in better.

Even I can only go so far with imouto chara. Oh well, I'll probably read this when I feel like grinding for materials is stupid and I need something even worse to do to make the grinding look appealing.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 22 2011 15:04 GMT
#20403
On April 22 2011 23:55 Ecael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2011 23:42 Southlight wrote:
On April 22 2011 23:20 Ecael wrote:
IS vol7 already showed up on torrents and no Hanamonogatari scans yet, sigh.

EDIT - Right, another new character because we totally needed one, and while we are at it let's make her a megane imouto chara.


I guess they realized they needed to hook Ecael in better.

Even I can only go so far with imouto chara.


Yeah, hoping you don't go as far as S&M Lolicon Ferrose.

*boom tish*

Did I just get close to a double kill?
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
April 22 2011 16:52 GMT
#20404
On April 22 2011 23:42 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2011 23:20 Ecael wrote:
IS vol7 already showed up on torrents and no Hanamonogatari scans yet, sigh.

EDIT - Right, another new character because we totally needed one, and while we are at it let's make her a megane imouto chara.


I guess they realized they needed to hook Ecael in better.


Ecael has good taste in girls \o/
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 22 2011 17:00 GMT
#20405
On April 23 2011 01:52 Ferrose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2011 23:42 Southlight wrote:
On April 22 2011 23:20 Ecael wrote:
IS vol7 already showed up on torrents and no Hanamonogatari scans yet, sigh.

EDIT - Right, another new character because we totally needed one, and while we are at it let's make her a megane imouto chara.


I guess they realized they needed to hook Ecael in better.


Ecael has good taste in girls \o/


Ecael has Ferrose' thumbs-up of approval o/
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
April 22 2011 17:16 GMT
#20406
+ Show Spoiler [madoka] +


Honestly, i cant really think that there was any "better" way of doing it, so its satisfying enough for me :D
tnarg122
Profile Joined February 2008
United States12 Posts
April 22 2011 17:56 GMT
#20407
Madoka
+ Show Spoiler +
Phenomenal ending, it at least answered every question that I had. It brought about a good closure to the series without being too sugar coated, IE Sayaka still manages to die. Even still she manages to find peace and go to Magical Girl heaven, or whatever happens when they die.


Also, whats the word on the spin-off series Puella Magi Oriko Magica? How much do people know about it a this point?
Benis Purger
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
April 22 2011 18:17 GMT
#20408
On April 22 2011 15:36 Souma wrote:
Oh word. Go seduce the Dean so we can use the PC Theater and have Madoka on a big screen!

I wish. Besides, even if I was crazy enough to try to rent out PC Theater, I'm pretty sure less than 10 people would come D:
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
Thratur
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada917 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 20:19:31
April 22 2011 20:19 GMT
#20409
Madoka
+ Show Spoiler +
Not a very satisfying ending for me, probably because it's just a big Deus Ex Machina that solves everything... but I guess it was to be expected... I don't really like God characters except when they're the source of the problem instead of the solution like in Haruhi...

Anyway, plotwise it does make sense and I love Kyubey even more.
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
April 22 2011 20:38 GMT
#20410
Do you two go to UCSD because I would come watch D=
Stuck.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 20:57:48
April 22 2011 20:52 GMT
#20411
+ Show Spoiler [Madoka END] +
Lame and predictable. Saw that coming months ago -_-


On April 23 2011 02:00 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2011 01:52 Ferrose wrote:
On April 22 2011 23:42 Southlight wrote:
On April 22 2011 23:20 Ecael wrote:
IS vol7 already showed up on torrents and no Hanamonogatari scans yet, sigh.

EDIT - Right, another new character because we totally needed one, and while we are at it let's make her a megane imouto chara.


I guess they realized they needed to hook Ecael in better.


Ecael has good taste in girls \o/


Ecael has Ferrose' thumbs-up of approval o/


\o
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 22:41:55
April 22 2011 22:39 GMT
#20412
On April 23 2011 05:19 Thratur wrote:
Madoka
+ Show Spoiler +
Not a very satisfying ending for me, probably because it's just a big Deus Ex Machina that solves everything... but I guess it was to be expected... I don't really like God characters except when they're the source of the problem instead of the solution like in Haruhi...

Anyway, plotwise it does make sense and I love Kyubey even more.

+ Show Spoiler +
It didn't magically solve every problem though. Despair still exists and Madoka had to destroy her own existence to carry those created by the wish of magical girls. Madoka's wish saved Sayaka from her grief and she no longer mind that her love was unrequited so even though she still died but her wish was saved for being tainted.
神は乗り越えられる試練しか与えない
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
April 22 2011 23:26 GMT
#20413
On April 23 2011 07:39 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2011 05:19 Thratur wrote:
Madoka
+ Show Spoiler +
Not a very satisfying ending for me, probably because it's just a big Deus Ex Machina that solves everything... but I guess it was to be expected... I don't really like God characters except when they're the source of the problem instead of the solution like in Haruhi...

Anyway, plotwise it does make sense and I love Kyubey even more.

+ Show Spoiler +
It didn't magically solve every problem though. Despair still exists and Madoka had to destroy her own existence to carry those created by the wish of magical girls. Madoka's wish saved Sayaka from her grief and she no longer mind that her love was unrequited so even though she still died but her wish was saved for being tainted.

+ Show Spoiler [Madoka] +
Basically, all her wish did was prevent magical girls from ever being witches.

Interesting that she does that given that she begs Homura to mercy kill her in one of the timelines... apparently she feels the other magical girls would make the same choice (death rather than being a witch).

Overall I liked the finale. It swung for the fences and while I don't think it hit a home run, I admire Shaft for constantly showing tremendous ambition with the show. I think Madoka will be talked about for years to come. A different ending that was more "safe" (say, Homura dies to protect Madoka or Madoka and Homura both die) might have been more enjoyable or better executed, but I oddly enough feel like those sorts of endings wouldn't really fit into the show. I think any ending that wasn't over the top and slightly crazy would have inevitably come down as somewhat lackluster.
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
April 22 2011 23:59 GMT
#20414
Madoka:
+ Show Spoiler +
Not surprising the show had an ending like that. Eh, I dunno what to think of it. Homura's fight was awesome, then the last episode was like... IDK. Madoka destroys the universe, and makes another one that just has witches replaced with new shit. Madoka and Homura are apparentl'y Newtypes.

Decent show, I guess.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
April 23 2011 02:08 GMT
#20415
I loved the ending of Madoka, and thought it made perfect sense. I wouldn't end it any other way.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
April 23 2011 04:49 GMT
#20416
On April 23 2011 05:38 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Do you two go to UCSD because I would come watch D=


Yeah, Wala, Kaze and I are UCSD students. It would be pretty funny if we did that. I would have to postpone watching Madoka on my own though!
Writer
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
April 23 2011 05:40 GMT
#20417
On April 23 2011 05:52 Ferrose wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Madoka END] +
Lame and predictable. Saw that coming months ago -_-


Show nested quote +
On April 23 2011 02:00 Southlight wrote:
On April 23 2011 01:52 Ferrose wrote:
On April 22 2011 23:42 Southlight wrote:
On April 22 2011 23:20 Ecael wrote:
IS vol7 already showed up on torrents and no Hanamonogatari scans yet, sigh.

EDIT - Right, another new character because we totally needed one, and while we are at it let's make her a megane imouto chara.


I guess they realized they needed to hook Ecael in better.


Ecael has good taste in girls \o/


Ecael has Ferrose' thumbs-up of approval o/


\o


Just curious.....what was predictable from months ago?

And at the same time, is it bad to have a story that does a decent job of doing nice foreshadowing?

+ Show Spoiler +

To me, Madoka isn't too much of a cop out. I don't see why killing Homura/Madoka does anything for the show. To me, death needs to be an impactful experience.

Mami's death showed that the life of a puella magi can be quick and morbid.

Sayaka's death showed that even those closest to Madoka were bound to leave her. Also some shit about corruption too...

And Kyouko's death taught us that there are those who can change and still believe in friendship in the face of adversity.

Their deaths meant something to us, and for those who wanted a dark, everyone dead ending....that doesn't make too much sense to me.

What would Homura's death prove? That all pursuits in life are meaningless?

And what would Madoka's death demonstrate? I'll tell you...absolutely nothing.

Here's what I felt at the end:

Madoka's sacrifice isn't just the idea that she transcends and becomes hope/god/actionjesus. It's the idea that Madoka has gone full circle. Pay attention to episode 10 and the first Madoka we meet is so confident in what she does, willing to die for the goodness of others.

As she moves on, Madoka grows weaker, cowarding in despair, only to show confidence in saving her friend (and even then, begs Homura to change her).

Madoka's refusal to become a puella magi and then her acceptance to kill EVERY witch at the end is a huge character change and a full circle back to who Madoka used to be: not the pussy who watched her friends die but the confident girl who is willing to do anything to save others. To me, that feels like the best sort of change.

Then there's Homura. Again, her death would've done nothing to advance what the show is about. But what we did get is Homura's realization that there was absolutely nothing that she could do. The scene where she's about to turn into a witch IS the climax of the show; the part where all hope seems lost.

So why doesn't SHAFT pull the trigger and turn Homura into a witch? Is it because they took pity? Or that Homura's too badass? Or maybe because they wanted a happier ending?

To me, it felt like none of those. Homura's suffering at this point is beyond death. She could become a witch or whatever, but she has already suffered more to become a witch a hundred times over. Her transformation is unnecessary. It proves nothing. It gets the show nowhere and in all honesty, becomes fan service to those who want a dark and depressing ending.

Instead, SHAFT does a great job of bringing Homura from the brink. It showed us that FINALLY, a puella magi who has despaired can come back.

And that's what Homura's story is about: a girl who hopes even in the midst of despair. Unlike others who became witches as they suffered until there was nothing left, Homura's story tells of someone who fought so hard for the person she loved more and hoped until there was nothing left to hope for.

Her salvation proves to us that there is a way to combat all the cruelness and suffering in the world.

And while some people might say SHAFT beats friendship on the top of our heads...it's not just friendship.

More or less, it's hope and goals. Those who survived had goals in their heads. What did Sayaka have? She had friends, but no hope/dreams/aspirations. Same with the others.

Madoka and Homura live on through their dreams and aspirations of saving each other, seeing each other again, preserving the world, etc.

So in conclusion....this rant....is just saying..

That Madoka is pretty god Madoka damn brilliant.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Pfhor
Profile Joined September 2010
123 Posts
April 23 2011 05:53 GMT
#20418
I liked the ending to Madoka, it properly skirted the edge of despair and optimism.

+ Show Spoiler +
My biggest problem is the lack of development between Madoka and her mom in the series. There definitely wasn't enough for that scene at the end of episode 11 to be very impactful. It's given that they probably couldn't add much because the series was only 12 episodes, but it's a very clear flaw in the storytelling.

Also Hitomi being in love with violin boy without so much as a hint that she ever liked him earlier is just bad writing. That kind of shit belongs in cheesy comedy romances, not in a show of this quality.


These are my 2 biggest complains, neither of them ruin this great series though.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
April 23 2011 06:09 GMT
#20419
Also. + Show Spoiler +
Homura can't turn back time right? She inherited Madoka's powers...that's an interesting thing I just picked up.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
April 23 2011 06:35 GMT
#20420
@ ZNF:

+ Show Spoiler +
Madoka's wish was predictable. It was so obvious that she'd wish to make it so no one could become witches.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
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