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Alpine
Profile Joined March 2007
United States86 Posts
August 15 2009 11:11 GMT
#121
There was 1 thing at the end that is bugging me though about this movie now that I've had time to settle down and think about it...

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Why didn't they shoot the command module down with SAMs when the mothership was pulling it up with its tractor beam? They showed zero hesitation in launching SAMs at it when it first left the ground, knocking out 1 of its engines. There was still6 missiles remaining in the one launcher we were shown. Was the only reason because "we wanted to see what was happening to the command module"?
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Sosha
Profile Joined August 2004
United States749 Posts
August 15 2009 11:54 GMT
#122
well, the only info I can offer regarding ur point would be that they did try once to shoot it down, while it was being beamed up.. but the mech-prawn caught the missle, and unfortuantely didn't discard it quick enough and it blew up it's arm :O but also maybe they were busy trying to deal w/ Wikus while in the mech-suit.. He was their priority, rather than what the prawns were doing - I mean, in general, they wanted them to leave anyway, but of course the government wanted their weapon-technology.

i'm kinda wishing that they had a bit more closure on the issue at the end though - I mean.. they end off saying that there's still like 2.5 million prawns in D-10, the new holding site.. and Christopher said that he'd return in 3 years.. but I thought they'd at least have tried to rescue a few more prawns than just 2?? and Wikus shoulda tried to go w/ him obviously, to better help himself - but then again, on that issue, he chose to sacrifice himself so that Christopher could escape.

but ya, overall good movie..
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igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
August 15 2009 12:30 GMT
#123
But the third act is disappointing, involving standard shoot-out action.

Well, it is undeniably original in its depiction of an alien culture, and challenges the usual movie assumption that aliens will be either superior beings, or very hostile ones. These aliens are simply other intelligent creatures, weak and far from home, and angry at their mistreatment.

Evidently the director failed because a lot of people here seem to find fault with it because it doesn't fit into the superior alien being mold. If you're judging it based on the action sequences and escape plot and not the tedious first half hour, you're only going to find a sub-par sci-fi film.

I posted this segment from a Neill Blomkamp interview

What do you want people to take from this film?

Blomkamp: Well, it's not a message. I don't want the audience to walk away from this thinking that I gave them some sort of societal message, but what I do want, the reason that the film exists I think in the first place is because hopefully – I don't know that I've done this – I've given them science fiction presented in a slightly different way. So it's not so much a message but it's more like, 'Oh, I really enjoyed watching that film because it was an unusual take on science fiction.' So that's the goal.



The film’s South African setting brings up inescapable parallels with its now-defunct apartheid system of racial segregation. Many of them are obvious, such as the action to move a race out of the city and to a remote location. Others will be more pointed in South Africa. The title “District 9” evokes Cape Town’s historic District 6, where Cape Coloureds (as they were called then) owned homes and businesses for many years before being bulldozed out and relocated. The hero’s name, van der Merwe, is not only a common name for Afrikaners, the white South Africans of Dutch descent, but also the name of the protagonist of van der Merwe jokes, of which the point is that the hero is stupid. Nor would it escape a South African ear that the alien language incorporates clicking sounds, just as Bantu, the language of a large group of African apartheid targets.

And there’s a harsh parable here about the alienation and treatment of refugees.
Alpine
Profile Joined March 2007
United States86 Posts
August 15 2009 12:33 GMT
#124
On August 15 2009 20:54 Sosha wrote:
i'm kinda wishing that they had a bit more closure on the issue at the end though - I mean.. they end off saying that there's still like 2.5 million prawns in D-10, the new holding site.. and Christopher said that he'd return in 3 years.. but I thought they'd at least have tried to rescue a few more prawns than just 2?? and Wikus shoulda tried to go w/ him obviously, to better help himself - but then again, on that issue, he chose to sacrifice himself so that Christopher could escape.

but ya, overall good movie..

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I'd imagine a movie called District 10 will be released 3 years from yesterday and portray the return of Christopher to rescue his species from our planet, and rain terror on us for treating his people like animals. I just hope if they do make a sequel that they keep the same production values, because for $30 million, I'm still in awe at what they were able to pull off. Suck it transformers.
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haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-15 14:26:57
August 15 2009 14:22 GMT
#125
It was a decent scifi flick. Not the best but still decent consider how few good scifi movies as of late.

The movie is better if you go in without any expectations. After all the hype I've read, It ended up a little short.

As for the nerd rage about plot holes; rofl is all i can say. It's a science fiction film, it doesn't have to make sense, it just have to provoke interesting reaction to be good.
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haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
August 15 2009 14:24 GMT
#126
Children of men was a piece of crap.

Sunshine is a much better science fiction movie. Too bad it sucked at box office.
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zizou21
Profile Joined September 2006
United States3683 Posts
August 15 2009 14:44 GMT
#127
On August 15 2009 23:24 haduken wrote:
Children of men was a piece of crap.

Sunshine is a much better science fiction movie. Too bad it sucked at box office.


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haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
August 15 2009 14:48 GMT
#128
lol
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Phantom
Profile Joined September 2004
Canada2151 Posts
August 15 2009 15:02 GMT
#129
On August 15 2009 18:06 Brett wrote:
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On August 15 2009 17:04 n wrote:
On August 15 2009 15:40 Brett wrote:
Plenty of holes or stupid pills that the writers want you to swallow in the story so that they could set up the premise of the movie, e.g. Rocket fuel making a human turn into a prawn, 20 years to find this rocket fuel on the ground on OUR planet when it only comes from THEIR technology WHICH THEY FLEW TO EARTH WITH (why not just fucking fly home in the first place), why did they just come and plonk themselves up in the air above JHB and sit there until they starved... never make use of this ridiculous strength or alien technology (unless selling it for fucking cat food) even though they're being herded into concentration camps and killed etc.


1. The rocket fuel came from alien space ship parts that most likely originated from within the mothership, not a substance native to earth. Given that they were small parts, they only held small bits of fuel which explains why it took 20 years to gather everything.
2. There was a explanation for why the aliens were so dumb/hostile -- most of the ones found in the mothership were "workers" and were severely malnourished upon arrival. Christopher Johnson was a rare intelligent alien unlike most of the aliens in D-9.
3. They couldn't fly home because the command module (the space ship that Christopher Johnson pilots at the end) had fallen out, leaving the mothership unable to function without it.
4. Think they were starving by the time they reached earth and I think they only reached earth because the pilots of the mothership died somehow so the aliens left didn't know what to do.
5. The reason they didn't use their technology is open to some speculation. However, it's obvious they couldn't use it when they first arrived because they were hungry and malnourished, not to mention dumb and probably unable to wield sophisticated weaponry. By the time they became acclimated to their situation they likely knew that they were outnumbered so even if they were treated like shit at least they weren't dead (the whole primitive worker class argument comes back to mind...).

There really aren't as many plotholes as you think there are, and for the plotholes that do exist, they are relatively small. I don't think you've given the movie a fair shot and have jumped to the conclusion that the writers are trying to make the audience accept too much at face value when it is you who won't bother to fully understand the story.

1. Yes, that explains why it took 20 years to locate the parts from bits which fell to earth, but it doesn't explain why they stopped above JHB and didnt just get this fuel from the ship. It was already there. There is literally no reason for them to have come to earth except for the food issue. But that just poses the question as to why they simply sit inside the mothership starving.
2. They had so much fucking weaponry (that they must have understood how to use) and the brain to develop an understanding of our language and participate in trade, and yet they're completely unmotivated to defend themselves from the oppression? Sorry, that makes little sense to me. They suddenly develop this mean streak when Wikus is threatened at the end of the movie (tearing the soldier to pieces) and yet they'll let themselves be thrown into the camps?
3. I understand that... but all it takes is this small amount of fuel to power the huge command module and fire up the entire mothership? I mean honestly...
4. Yeah, I assumed they were starving by the time they got there also. The deaths is stretching it though.
5. This loses weight after they've been on the planet for a year, regained their strength, stockpiled weapons and are in the company of some prawns intelligent enough to lead them, eg. Johnson


1. It was a crash landing. It would make sense to land near by a safe habitable planet just in case you can't fix your spaceship. They didn't want to make contact, the humans forced themselves in, so making first contact could have been a last resort for the aliens who were forced into the situation. For all we know, they were gathering fuel when the humans broke into the ship. Landing over JHB could have just been by chance.
2. Cat food could have been like a drug for them, and you don't bite the hand that feeds you. Yes those prawns could have blasted their way to cat food, but they had no idea of how to make it, nor does it seem like they were intelligent enough to make it. Pulling a trigger is easy, but to make cat food is a different thing.
3. It's alien technology in sci-fi, it's allowed to happen.
4/5. The trailer had a captured prawn being interrogated who seemed to be quite intelligent. For all we know they had captured all the intelligent prawns to interrogate and experiment on and Chris could have just evaded bring captured by acting dumb. Cat food addiction could have subdued them and they were still outnumbered so huge resistance wasn't a good option. We do know that the prawns did have armed resistance within the D-9. Remember when they first went into evict the prawns there was one who hid behind a shack with an AK-47? Then the convoy got shot on. So there was resistance, but for many reasons a huge armed resistance could never happen.
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Alpine
Profile Joined March 2007
United States86 Posts
August 15 2009 16:05 GMT
#130
A thought that just occurred to me about the origins of the prawns...

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Had anyone else thought that maybe the prawns were actually a very different species that discovered the fluid, and were transformed into their present form because of it? And that this is perhaps how Christopher claims to be able to reverse the process, potentially because he'd done it before to other "infected" by it.
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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-15 16:26:37
August 15 2009 16:19 GMT
#131
I liked the film a lot.
The one thing I didn't get was why the prawns had to be released from the spaceship in the beginning, i mean, ... you can't get out of your own spaceship cuz your HONGORY? bs.
intelligent my ass.
But still, the films pretty badass. And the robot.. THE ROBOT?!?! Sick nasty.

Also like how they framed the story into some mockumentary/news format

And him getting his arm was very cool. I had no idea what to expect, whether it's some horror alien flick or some super hero gundam shit or a remake of Goldbloom's The Fly... LOL.
Instead it's a nice mix of all 3 in an epic summer movie. wordddddd you jive turkey.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
August 15 2009 17:20 GMT
#132
On August 15 2009 19:29 Sosha wrote:
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On August 15 2009 10:25 omfghi2u2 wrote:
On August 15 2009 09:34 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I didn't get what the movie was supposed to prove. Was it just "humans suck and hate others who are different from them?" That's all I got out of it :S

Also there was hardly any context for a lot of the stuff :[ And why the hell did MNU want to -kill- Wikus? Wouldn't his, you know, ability to use alien weaponry be more valuable to them than if he was dead? What did they expect to get out of a dead body?

Oh and Wikus is a douche.



"humans suck and hate others who are different from them?"


Isnt that esentially what racism is? You hate other people just because they are different? I think this movie was also a criticism on people. I think there was a reason why the film took place in South Africa.

MNU wanted to kill Wikus because they wanted to get his DNA and organs so that they could either
1) study it and try to replicate to use the alien weaponry
2) use his organs and plant them in other things to try and use the alien weapons.

Yeah, not exactly rationale, but I if you have before you potential to dominate and control the world, then you probably wouldnt make the most rational decisions either.


They didn't want to kill Wikus at all!
At the very beginning of his metamorphisis they said that they wanted to "harvest" everything they could from his, skin, blood, bone, bone-marrow, any type of tissue etc.. It was only after he escaped, started causing havoc, killing other MNU agents etc.. that they (not even they, rather just the military agents) wanted to use live-ammo. The government still wanted him very much alive to be able to prove better research material.



They DID want to kill him... wouldn't you think saying "take his heart" would kill him? They had every intention of harvesting his body and not caring whether he lived or died in the process.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
August 15 2009 17:28 GMT
#133
Oh, was the "cat food" thing supposed to have a deeper meaning lol.
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Alpine
Profile Joined March 2007
United States86 Posts
August 15 2009 17:38 GMT
#134
On August 16 2009 02:20 Xeris wrote:
They DID want to kill him... wouldn't you think saying "take his heart" would kill him? They had every intention of harvesting his body and not caring whether he lived or died in the process.

That was one of the most frightening scenes I've seen in a long time... I mean...I know it's a movie, but dear lord could you imagine going through something like that, being rushed to the hospital, then transfered to a research facility and submitted to the exams with the weaponry as well as being basically told your whole body is going to be ground up into nothingness just for the off-potential of advancing our understanding of the prawns....damn that whole scene still gives me chills.
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
August 15 2009 17:55 GMT
#135
I absolutely loved this film. Great acting, great filming (interesting and original style), wonderful story.. and for all us action nerds the movie has a TON of amazing action. Never got tired of the alien technology splatting people. And that battle suit? WOW.

I hope for a sequel.. Christopher Johnathan's return could be epic
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
August 15 2009 18:01 GMT
#136
very interested to see what will happen in the sequel, they will surely make a sequel. you can't possibly leave a movie this open ended without making a sequel, it seems like they purposefully set it up to be so open ended that a sequel would be required !

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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
August 15 2009 18:03 GMT
#137
The best part of that movie was, imo, that battle suit. Making a magnetic field to catch/launch bullets? Catching that missile? Now that was bad ass.

Wikus was a douche. Deserved every bit of what happened to him
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Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
August 15 2009 18:07 GMT
#138
I thought the movie was nowhere near as good as I was expecting.

The movie devolved into generic action movie half-way through. The plot wasn't that smart, nor did the whole premise of the story make any sense other than as a convenient setup for an Apartheid story.

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Aliens get to Earth for no particular reason. They hover over JHB for 2 months as they starve to death. Their leader drops from the command pod at some point for no reason. The leader hides among the rest scavenging juice for 20 years, which somehow fell out of their ship even though their mothership was never attacked. CJ goes home for help at the end. Apparently nobody from home thought to come look for them. Apparently humans abandonned the mothership once they moved all the prawn drones to the surface. Why did humans want the relatively useless prawn guns? The lightning gun was sorta useful, but the assault rifle was no better than one with bullets. Only the Goliath seemed to be legitimately useful, and the Nigerians had the only one. Even then, it can be stopped by human weapons, so it's not like it's a super weapon.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
August 15 2009 18:07 GMT
#139
On August 16 2009 03:03 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
The best part of that movie was, imo, that battle suit. Making a magnetic field to catch/launch bullets? Catching that missile? Now that was bad ass.

Wikus was a douche. Deserved every bit of what happened to him


Too bad he apparently forgot to do this stuff 99% of the time.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
August 15 2009 18:07 GMT
#140
he wasn't really a douche, he was just human. he was a nice / kind guy, but like almost everyone he didn't understand the aliens and mistreated them. not because he was mean or cruel, but because of a general lack of empathy for them or their situation (like 99% of people).
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