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On August 15 2009 11:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Oh and also, they said stuff about a command module falling off and that's why the mothership doesn't work. Except the mothership magically worked for the ending...? Well, they could only remote activate the mothership, and induce the tractor beam, after filling the command module with fuel...
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Children of Men was pretty cool. I still can't decide if I like or hate the ending though.
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On August 15 2009 11:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Oh and also, they said stuff about a command module falling off and that's why the mothership doesn't work. Except the mothership magically worked for the ending...?
um... lol... that ship that was beamed up was definitely the command module.
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On August 15 2009 12:04 Vharox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2009 11:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Oh and also, they said stuff about a command module falling off and that's why the mothership doesn't work. Except the mothership magically worked for the ending...? um... lol... that ship that was beamed up was definitely the command module.
...ohh.
...OHHHHHHH.
Wow I feel stupid now.
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+ Show Spoiler +There were over a million aliens found on board the ship, but mostly were worker class, then why was Christopher the only one that had access or was even in on the whole command module repair, except for that yellow prawn that just couldn't be polite and decided to get himself killed. Although, I'm guessing this is where the teaser trailer of that alien saying he just wanted to go home can be explained. Most likely when they broke into the ship they had captured all the intelligent prawns and interrogated them to death and left all the dumb ones in D-9. Chris prob evaded the filtering of intelligent prawns and saved his ass from becoming an experiment or prisoner.
And also it took 20 years to find all that fluid yes, but remember they were FORCED out of the ship by the MNU. The officials say they did it for humanitarian reasons because the prawns were malnourished and such, but the prawns would have probably scavenged much faster if they had just stayed on their own ship instead of being removed from it. That explains why they didn't try to make contact in the first place. They had lost all power, and made an emergency landing with no intention of making first contact with humans. I'm still wondering why there wasn't more of a human presence on the ship studying it and such, but I guess after 20 years and billions of dollars funding it they gave up...or something...
Also, the director was from South Africa I believe, this was supposed to have elements of apartheid in it. And it did for a majority of the movie except for the whole retrieving fluid and getting the spaceship off the ground thing. Go read some interviews and you'll be more informed on the main theme of the movie.
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The movie was very good. The initial 30 minutes were kind of painful though, what with all the terrible things Witkus had to go through.
And this movie was so obviously a message about apartheid in South Africa. They took examples from history and applied it to aliens.
There are some kind of surreal elements in this movie though. Like how the aliens with their intergalatic space travel and their super advanced weaponry got totally owned by humans. But with two alien weapons they can storm Johannesburg and a super security government building with ease. And I don't know, just my opinion but I don't think humanity would treat an alien race that advanced with such disrespect. Even though they acted terribly and were unorganized as hell there's still an insanely huge mothership in the sky.
Anyways, hopefully Christopher returned 3 years later with an entire fleet of space fuel tankers and just sprayed the entire earth with it. Great movie though.
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Just saw this now. Completely shell shocked. Was not expecting this good of a movie. easily top 3 movie i've seen this year. highly recommend to everyone.
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Hmm I might go watch this on Sunday before my vacation ends
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Okay, there are a couple plot holes that just don't make sense to me.
+ Show Spoiler +There is video footage of the command module falling off the ship, and and it obviously fell before the humans made contact with the aliens and threw them in sector 9. SO HOW DID THEY NOT FIND IT IN A SEARCH? I mean if a giant alien dropship randomly landed in the middle of a field in Johannesburg i'm pretty sure they would see it. Also how did it get buried? The rest of the movie is amazing but i just can't get over this part. How did the humans not instantly find the command module.
Also lol why did Wikus remember who he was after his transformation was complete? If he was being transformed into a prawn at the DNA level how was he able to retain his memories? How did he sneak into the main city of Johannesburg to put the flower thing on his porch? If he was relocated to sector 10 it would have been a 256km walk to Johannesburg AND he would have obviously been seen.
One more thing. When he escapes from the operating room, why does he suddenly develop super strength (throwing the orderly with his "Prawn" hand) and then completely lose it later in the movie (for example when the power suit has been destroyed and he's crawling on the ground, considering he was hurt but obviously didn't have a life threatening injury. The same thing happens with Christopher multiple times, when they are breaking into the MNU headquarters he exhibits the normal Prawn strength by throwing a table, and by throwing that bomb that looks to be about 20-40kg (comparing it in size to Wikus) however he can't kill the soldier beating him to death solo inside the shack.
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Average movie: 6.5/10
+ Show Spoiler +Plenty of holes or stupid pills that the writers want you to swallow in the story so that they could set up the premise of the movie, e.g. Rocket fuel making a human turn into a prawn, 20 years to find this rocket fuel on the ground on OUR planet when it only comes from THEIR technology WHICH THEY FLEW TO EARTH WITH (why not just fucking fly home in the first place), why did they just come and plonk themselves up in the air above JHB and sit there until they starved... never make use of this ridiculous strength or alien technology (unless selling it for fucking cat food) even though they're being herded into concentration camps and killed etc.
Just too much crap that you're asked to ignore or put to the side.
Luckily it has some decent drama, humour and action to make up for the above idiocy and allow you to sit through it.
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On August 15 2009 15:40 Brett wrote:
Plenty of holes or stupid pills that the writers want you to swallow in the story so that they could set up the premise of the movie, e.g. Rocket fuel making a human turn into a prawn, 20 years to find this rocket fuel on the ground on OUR planet when it only comes from THEIR technology WHICH THEY FLEW TO EARTH WITH (why not just fucking fly home in the first place), why did they just come and plonk themselves up in the air above JHB and sit there until they starved... never make use of this ridiculous strength or alien technology (unless selling it for fucking cat food) even though they're being herded into concentration camps and killed etc.
1. The rocket fuel came from alien space ship parts that most likely originated from within the mothership, not a substance native to earth. Given that they were small parts, they only held small bits of fuel which explains why it took 20 years to gather everything.
2. There was a explanation for why the aliens were so dumb/hostile -- most of the ones found in the mothership were "workers" and were severely malnourished upon arrival. Christopher Johnson was a rare intelligent alien unlike most of the aliens in D-9.
3. They couldn't fly home because the command module (the space ship that Christopher Johnson pilots at the end) had fallen out, leaving the mothership unable to function without it.
4. Think they were starving by the time they reached earth and I think they only reached earth because the pilots of the mothership died somehow so the aliens left didn't know what to do.
5. The reason they didn't use their technology is open to some speculation. However, it's obvious they couldn't use it when they first arrived because they were hungry and malnourished, not to mention dumb and probably unable to wield sophisticated weaponry. By the time they became acclimated to their situation they likely knew that they were outnumbered so even if they were treated like shit at least they weren't dead (the whole primitive worker class argument comes back to mind...).
There really aren't as many plotholes as you think there are, and for the plotholes that do exist, they are relatively small. I don't think you've given the movie a fair shot and have jumped to the conclusion that the writers are trying to make the audience accept too much at face value when it is you who won't bother to fully understand the story.
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On August 15 2009 15:40 Brett wrote:Average movie: 6.5/10 + Show Spoiler +Plenty of holes or stupid pills that the writers want you to swallow in the story so that they could set up the premise of the movie, e.g. Rocket fuel making a human turn into a prawn, 20 years to find this rocket fuel on the ground on OUR planet when it only comes from THEIR technology WHICH THEY FLEW TO EARTH WITH (why not just fucking fly home in the first place), why did they just come and plonk themselves up in the air above JHB and sit there until they starved... never make use of this ridiculous strength or alien technology (unless selling it for fucking cat food) even though they're being herded into concentration camps and killed etc. Just too much crap that you're asked to ignore or put to the side. Luckily it has some decent drama, humour and action to make up for the above idiocy and allow you to sit through it.
Just because you're as dumb as a fucking brick doesn't mean the movie had a bunch of plot holes. If you even cared to watch or pay attention, or FOLLOW the movie, you'd know that the "plot holes" you talk about were actually explained and aren't even plot holes. You didn't even mention the ACTUAL plot holes (ghermination or whatever mentions them), and even so, those plot holes aren't even that major... and pretty much appear in every movie ever made.
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Ok. I thought it was pretty dope. People who I saw it with were pointing out holes in the plot but in doing so were kind of making assumptions about some alien ecology and sounded dumb. The only real problem I had with it was the kinda poor CG. The weapons were sweet though. I don't know if I've seen another movie with that many people getting exploded.
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On August 15 2009 15:37 ghermination wrote:Okay, there are a couple plot holes that just don't make sense to me. + Show Spoiler +There is video footage of the command module falling off the ship, and and it obviously fell before the humans made contact with the aliens and threw them in sector 9. SO HOW DID THEY NOT FIND IT IN A SEARCH? I mean if a giant alien dropship randomly landed in the middle of a field in Johannesburg i'm pretty sure they would see it. Also how did it get buried? The rest of the movie is amazing but i just can't get over this part. How did the humans not instantly find the command module.
Also lol why did Wikus remember who he was after his transformation was complete? If he was being transformed into a prawn at the DNA level how was he able to retain his memories? How did he sneak into the main city of Johannesburg to put the flower thing on his porch? If he was relocated to sector 10 it would have been a 256km walk to Johannesburg AND he would have obviously been seen.
One more thing. When he escapes from the operating room, why does he suddenly develop super strength (throwing the orderly with his "Prawn" hand) and then completely lose it later in the movie (for example when the power suit has been destroyed and he's crawling on the ground, considering he was hurt but obviously didn't have a life threatening injury. The same thing happens with Christopher multiple times, when they are breaking into the MNU headquarters he exhibits the normal Prawn strength by throwing a table, and by throwing that bomb that looks to be about 20-40kg (comparing it in size to Wikus) however he can't kill the soldier beating him to death solo inside the shack.
1. Ya that was probably one of the only plot holes IMO
2. Stuff like this happens in movies, you'll have to get used to it. Perhaps he wasn't completely transformed? We don't know do we? So how can you assume it was a plot hole. Maybe he was just physically transformed, but his brain was still partially human and able to retain memories? Since none of us are scientifically qualified to know the answer, then how can you just assume it's a plot hole?
3. People who have super strength lose it when they're injured, you just disproved your own plot hole when you were trying to explain it... Also, why do you say Christopher Johnson couldn't kill the guy beating him up. In case you didn't notice, Christopher Johnson is a pacifist. He could have easily killed that guy, but he didn't because he CHOSE not to, not because he suddenly lost his super strength at that moment. If you notice when they broke into the facility, Christopher Johnson didn't actually harm anybody. The only thing he did was make a bomb and blow up the wall so they could escape. He didn't even fight Wikus when they were arguing.
GG plot holes. It was a great movie.
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On August 15 2009 17:24 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2009 15:40 Brett wrote:Average movie: 6.5/10 + Show Spoiler +Plenty of holes or stupid pills that the writers want you to swallow in the story so that they could set up the premise of the movie, e.g. Rocket fuel making a human turn into a prawn, 20 years to find this rocket fuel on the ground on OUR planet when it only comes from THEIR technology WHICH THEY FLEW TO EARTH WITH (why not just fucking fly home in the first place), why did they just come and plonk themselves up in the air above JHB and sit there until they starved... never make use of this ridiculous strength or alien technology (unless selling it for fucking cat food) even though they're being herded into concentration camps and killed etc. Just too much crap that you're asked to ignore or put to the side. Luckily it has some decent drama, humour and action to make up for the above idiocy and allow you to sit through it. Just because you're as dumb as a fucking brick doesn't mean the movie had a bunch of plot holes. If you even cared to watch or pay attention, or FOLLOW the movie, you'd know that the "plot holes" you talk about were actually explained and aren't even plot holes. You didn't even mention the ACTUAL plot holes (ghermination or whatever mentions them), and even so, those plot holes aren't even that major... and pretty much appear in every movie ever made.
LOL, rage up some more you armchair hero. I'm allowed to have a different opinion to you. They weren't explained and are holes; I don't share your apologist view.
'Stuff like this happens in movies.. get used to it'
As if that somehow invalidates the criticism...
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Well I agree that How the Command Module stayed hidden was a plot hole, but they did identify it as a problem. The Engineer talking about how they had been searching for it and couldn't find it.
Perhaps it had some low power cloaking device, maybe the wierd alien tech alowed it to bury itself.
Also as for the flower getting to the wife's porch... it Is possible Vichus didn't take it himself, he could have had it delivered... there was some type of a black market connection (possibly less in District 10 but still probably there)
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On August 15 2009 17:04 n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2009 15:40 Brett wrote:
Plenty of holes or stupid pills that the writers want you to swallow in the story so that they could set up the premise of the movie, e.g. Rocket fuel making a human turn into a prawn, 20 years to find this rocket fuel on the ground on OUR planet when it only comes from THEIR technology WHICH THEY FLEW TO EARTH WITH (why not just fucking fly home in the first place), why did they just come and plonk themselves up in the air above JHB and sit there until they starved... never make use of this ridiculous strength or alien technology (unless selling it for fucking cat food) even though they're being herded into concentration camps and killed etc. 1. The rocket fuel came from alien space ship parts that most likely originated from within the mothership, not a substance native to earth. Given that they were small parts, they only held small bits of fuel which explains why it took 20 years to gather everything. 2. There was a explanation for why the aliens were so dumb/hostile -- most of the ones found in the mothership were "workers" and were severely malnourished upon arrival. Christopher Johnson was a rare intelligent alien unlike most of the aliens in D-9. 3. They couldn't fly home because the command module (the space ship that Christopher Johnson pilots at the end) had fallen out, leaving the mothership unable to function without it. 4. Think they were starving by the time they reached earth and I think they only reached earth because the pilots of the mothership died somehow so the aliens left didn't know what to do. 5. The reason they didn't use their technology is open to some speculation. However, it's obvious they couldn't use it when they first arrived because they were hungry and malnourished, not to mention dumb and probably unable to wield sophisticated weaponry. By the time they became acclimated to their situation they likely knew that they were outnumbered so even if they were treated like shit at least they weren't dead (the whole primitive worker class argument comes back to mind...). There really aren't as many plotholes as you think there are, and for the plotholes that do exist, they are relatively small. I don't think you've given the movie a fair shot and have jumped to the conclusion that the writers are trying to make the audience accept too much at face value when it is you who won't bother to fully understand the story.
1. Yes, that explains why it took 20 years to locate the parts from bits which fell to earth, but it doesn't explain why they stopped above JHB and didnt just get this fuel from the ship. It was already there. There is literally no reason for them to have come to earth except for the food issue. But that just poses the question as to why they simply sit inside the mothership starving.
2. They had so much fucking weaponry (that they must have understood how to use) and the brain to develop an understanding of our language and participate in trade, and yet they're completely unmotivated to defend themselves from the oppression? Sorry, that makes little sense to me. They suddenly develop this mean streak when Wikus is threatened at the end of the movie (tearing the soldier to pieces) and yet they'll let themselves be thrown into the camps?
3. I understand that... but all it takes is this small amount of fuel to power the huge command module and fire up the entire mothership? I mean honestly...
4. Yeah, I assumed they were starving by the time they got there also. The deaths is stretching it though.
5. This loses weight after they've been on the planet for a year, regained their strength, stockpiled weapons and are in the company of some prawns intelligent enough to lead them, eg. Johnson
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On August 15 2009 10:25 omfghi2u2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2009 09:34 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I didn't get what the movie was supposed to prove. Was it just "humans suck and hate others who are different from them?" That's all I got out of it :S
Also there was hardly any context for a lot of the stuff :[ And why the hell did MNU want to -kill- Wikus? Wouldn't his, you know, ability to use alien weaponry be more valuable to them than if he was dead? What did they expect to get out of a dead body?
Oh and Wikus is a douche. Isnt that esentially what racism is? You hate other people just because they are different? I think this movie was also a criticism on people. I think there was a reason why the film took place in South Africa. MNU wanted to kill Wikus because they wanted to get his DNA and organs so that they could either 1) study it and try to replicate to use the alien weaponry 2) use his organs and plant them in other things to try and use the alien weapons. Yeah, not exactly rationale, but I if you have before you potential to dominate and control the world, then you probably wouldnt make the most rational decisions either.
They didn't want to kill Wikus at all!
At the very beginning of his metamorphisis they said that they wanted to "harvest" everything they could from his, skin, blood, bone, bone-marrow, any type of tissue etc.. It was only after he escaped, started causing havoc, killing other MNU agents etc.. that they (not even they, rather just the military agents) wanted to use live-ammo. The government still wanted him very much alive to be able to prove better research material.
Over all I think it was a good movie and pretty much lived up to it's hype well enough. Sure, the ending was unexpected and kinda a let down - but I guess that's to be expected.. like.. he was infested.. and was alrdy mutating after like 32 hours after exposure.. so it would make sense that after about a week he'd be fully mutated into a "prawn" but it was unfortunate - cause I was hoping that he'd get help from them and be able to be turned back into human but I guess the hero can't always have the happy ending like most fairy-tales or other movies.
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Another weird aspect was that the trailer that kept coming out for this movie, didnt include the interview that they had w/ a prawn..
from the trailer, it showed an agent sitting down w/ a prawn in an interogation room asking a bunch of military-type questions, like:
"where did you come from"
"why are u here"
"how do ur weapons work"
to which the prawn replied:
"we crash-landed here, we didnt mean to come here"
"we mean you no harm"
"please, we just want to go home"
maybe it was just a separate "news" type announcement to support and advertise the movie, cause obviously it wasn't in the actual movie itself. All-in-all, I think the reason they came to earth was because they ran out of gas in their mothership, then of course their command-module malfunctioned and fell from teh mothership..
another interesting question woulda been, why didn't more of the prawns team up w/ "christopher" towards the end.. I figured it woulda been a uniting of the race when they stormed the MNU building.. but no, it was just 2 subjects O.o I thought maybe they'd be more zealous ^ ^ and support each other.. so it seems they're more zerg like than Protoss like in which they're kinda out for themselves and protecting themselves rather than die-hard patriots of their homeland or ideals
My Life for Aiur!
good movie though..
kudos.
prawn-mech-suit was kick ass too.. just sucked that noob ass Wikus didnt know how to fully pilot it, seeing it in the hands of an actual war-proven veteran prawn woulda been bad-ass.. hell, even Christophers son was better at remote-piloting it when he activated it from the dropship. I liked the magnetetic-absorbing field when it contained all the bullets fired at it, then repelled them back at all the hostiles.. rofl!!
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On August 15 2009 17:54 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2009 17:24 Xeris wrote:On August 15 2009 15:40 Brett wrote:Average movie: 6.5/10 + Show Spoiler +Plenty of holes or stupid pills that the writers want you to swallow in the story so that they could set up the premise of the movie, e.g. Rocket fuel making a human turn into a prawn, 20 years to find this rocket fuel on the ground on OUR planet when it only comes from THEIR technology WHICH THEY FLEW TO EARTH WITH (why not just fucking fly home in the first place), why did they just come and plonk themselves up in the air above JHB and sit there until they starved... never make use of this ridiculous strength or alien technology (unless selling it for fucking cat food) even though they're being herded into concentration camps and killed etc. Just too much crap that you're asked to ignore or put to the side. Luckily it has some decent drama, humour and action to make up for the above idiocy and allow you to sit through it. Just because you're as dumb as a fucking brick doesn't mean the movie had a bunch of plot holes. If you even cared to watch or pay attention, or FOLLOW the movie, you'd know that the "plot holes" you talk about were actually explained and aren't even plot holes. You didn't even mention the ACTUAL plot holes (ghermination or whatever mentions them), and even so, those plot holes aren't even that major... and pretty much appear in every movie ever made. LOL, rage up some more you armchair hero. I'm allowed to have a different opinion to you. They weren't explained and are holes; I don't share your apologist view. 'Stuff like this happens in movies.. get used to it' As if that somehow invalidates the criticism...
Every time i see you post you seem like an idiot. The "holes" were explained and if you were even capable of following the plot line (not enough Halo for you?) you would see that most of those questions are answered. Notice the fact that when Christopher and his friend are searching in the garbage for alien technology, his friend needs to be reminded multiple times what they are looking for? Christopher is the last of the leaders left alive, and he was the only one capable of understanding the injustice going on in D-9. The "rocket fuel" is a chemical that allows the weapons to bind ONLY to the Prawns, so it definitely has some sort of mysterious properties. There is no explanation as to how they got to Earth, so their ship could have for some reason been damaged. I think you're highly overestimating the intelligence of the workers because when the humans cut their way into the ship they found the workers starving and burning fires inside of a gigantic "hall", even when surrounded by technology. Obviously they are only capable of simple tasks and require repeated instruction - rather like worker ants, who are completely dependent on the queen for commands. Notice that their entire existence in D-9 revolves around food, even to the point of them being shot while trying to eat a tire. They obviously aren't capable of gaining the initiative to use the weapons.
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