EPT[Movie] District-9 (AKA D-9) - Page 12
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pyrogenetix
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A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
I can see both sides on this. The premise is great, and the actor playing Wikus did a good job, and it had intense gun battles. To the more critical eye, the movie has a lot of schlocky moments and in view of the greater scope of all movies, there are movies with great premises and execution so why get bother getting a boner about this overall average to above-average film? | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32048 Posts
On August 24 2009 17:46 A3iL3r0n wrote: The part that totally killed off the movie for me was when Wikus knocks out Christopher once he finds out its going to take 3 years to change him back. This is after the break into the government lab together and they have a moment during all of the gun fire. It gives Wikus has 0 heart at all, and not only that, any strides you thought he was making became null also. It's just bad writing, it's basically a bald-faced way of making the task of getting Christopher back to the mothership all that more difficult and harrowing, when there were obvious other ways to make this happen that were more smooth and kept the main character's development intact. whats with people thinking that stories in which you dont like the main character are crappy movies? the whole knocking out christpoher thing fits right in with his entire persona. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
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genwar
Canada537 Posts
On August 24 2009 17:46 A3iL3r0n wrote: The part that totally killed off the movie for me was when Wikus knocks out Christopher once he finds out its going to take 3 years to change him back. This is after the break into the government lab together and they have a moment during all of the gun fire. It gives Wikus has 0 heart at all, and not only that, any strides you thought he was making became null also. It's just bad writing, it's basically a bald-faced way of making the task of getting Christopher back to the mothership all that more difficult and harrowing, when there were obvious other ways to make this happen that were more smooth and kept the main character's development intact. You're forgetting that to humans prawns are stupid creatures. They are at the same level of animals. He's been through absolute hell, been almost killed a hundred time, is being transformed into some weird shit and now he finds out he has to wait 3 fucking years for a giant shrimp to keep his word and change him back. It's a miracle he didn't shoot Christopher in the face. | ||
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bigsack
Korea (North)220 Posts
On August 21 2009 06:37 hideo wrote: some links worth reading: http://io9.com/5331799/district-9s-director-tells-us-all-about-his-alien-back-story http://io9.com/5341120/5-things-you-didnt-know-about-district-9 there's a lot of neat points that just flew over my head. Like for example, these critters that actually infest parts of Johannesburg which were probably the inspiration for the aliens' design. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parktown_prawn Thanks for the links hideo, it got really interesting information. Here's the interview with the director Neill Blomkamp from that link provided by hideo. Some of the things he talk about may solve most of the plot holes that you guys have been debating about. Just posting this incase anyone miss hideo's links or didn't read it. + Show Spoiler + District 9's Director Tells Us All About His Alien Back Story By Meredith Woerner, 3:00 PM on Thu Aug 6 2009, 19,299 views (Edit, to draft, Slurp) Who are the humanly named "prawn" aliens of District 9, and where did they come from? Director Neill Blomkamp reveals all to us about these beings, their planet, ships and possible home in the Andromeda Galaxy. Spoilers! At Comic-Con, we interviewed Neill on camera, and he mentioned his hive mind concept about the aliens of District 9. Later on, we got to press further about the entire alien world that Neill had built around his alien creatures, past the hive. What is your own back story for these aliens? What's their home planet like? Why did the end up on Earth? The hive mind [concept] is the most important thing to me, because I love the idea of a civilization that can build all of that technology and then, at the same time, just have a massive population that was just drones that needed direction, and were absolutely incapable of building that stuff on their own. I found that to be a really interesting concept. Also, it sort of explains why they don't turn on the humans. Individually, they may be feeling oppressed, but they don't have it together enough to form a resistance and back one another. So I found that really interesting. I think that they do have a home planet, it's pretty far away probably in the Andromeda Galaxy, but what I like is that they'll live on the ship for thousands of years. Obviously, there's much more of a population on the main planet, but the ships will go out and get the minerals and the ore and whatever resources they need and then bring them all back home. The other thing is that the ship was meant to clip together with other ships. So there's, like, vast amounts of resources that they're bringing to the parent planet. And the ship, when the army generals or the queen of that particular ship died off by some sort of virus or bacteria that they picked up on some other planet, that killed them off. And it didn't effect these sort of resilient, hardy sort of drone workers. Then the technology is usually the thing that they relied on to save them, but in this case it sort of screwed them because it brought them to a planet that kind of treated them pretty badly, but it was the ship that realized that, unless it gets to a life sustaining planet everything is going to die, which is a cool idea. So the ship just auto pilots to the closest one in the Goldilocks band, and it's our planet and then pulls up and hits the breaks. Where does this leave Christopher Johnson [an abnormally smart prawn who sparks a bit of a revolution... Not to give too much away]? I think it's taken 20 years. I think because there is a subconscious hive mind happening, really what they should do is lay one egg that has a different embryo in it that grows into a Queen or being someone that dictates direction. But I think in the interim, because they may have done that, there may be an egg out there with that, but as that being is growing, I just like the idea that he may have been a lot more directionless in the beginning. But the hive structure of their society may just pick one or two that starts to become the leader. Like the overall structure of his brain may change because the hive may want that to happen. So he starts having a direction and a goal. Which is an interesting idea and it's just enough to kick start them to be able to get to the ship to get back. 1) DELETED 2) Also, the first time when Wikus entered the spaceship below the shack and Christopher told him that he can fix Wikus and transform him back to human form. After a few dialogue, Christopher then said, "The transformation is accelerating...you do not have much time." After they retrieved the alien fluid tube and got back to the shack, Wikus ask Christopher how long it would take to fix him once they fly up to the mothership. Christopher replied, "three years." At the end of the movie, we see that Wikus had finished his metamorphosis and completely transformed into a prawn. My question is that Christopher told WIkus that his transformation is accelerating and he's running out of time, and at the end of the movie, he completed his transformation, does that means it is too late to reverse the transformation even if Christopher came back in 3 years as he promised to fix him? Overall, I thought the movie was good although there were some stuff that didn't quite made sense to me. Also another interesting thing to note is that according to wikipedia, as of 8/30/09, the film have grossed revenue of $105,149,708. That is 3.5x more from a mere 30 mil budget to produce the film. I would say that figure translate to a successful film. And as one of the poster (forgot who and too lazy to search through the thread again) mentioned that the director/producer would do a sequel if the film is successful. I'd say we'll most likely gonna get a sequel and I'm looking forward to that! EDIT: Yeah, I guess you're right Hawk and Zeppellin. I didn't thought about the 20 (or 30? forgot) years lapse that gave time for the human to learn the alien's language. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32048 Posts
2) It's ambiguous really, and could have just meant that he doesn't have much time to do it before he goes fully prawn, making it a longer process and so on. Really minor if you ask me | ||
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zeppelin
United States565 Posts
On September 02 2009 05:16 bigsack wrote: Thanks for the links hideo, it got really interesting information. Here's the interview with the director Neill Blomkamp from that link provided by hideo. Some of the things he talk about may solve most of the plot holes that you guys have been debating about. Just posting this incase anyone miss hideo's links or didn't read it. + Show Spoiler + District 9's Director Tells Us All About His Alien Back Story By Meredith Woerner, 3:00 PM on Thu Aug 6 2009, 19,299 views (Edit, to draft, Slurp) Who are the humanly named "prawn" aliens of District 9, and where did they come from? Director Neill Blomkamp reveals all to us about these beings, their planet, ships and possible home in the Andromeda Galaxy. Spoilers! At Comic-Con, we interviewed Neill on camera, and he mentioned his hive mind concept about the aliens of District 9. Later on, we got to press further about the entire alien world that Neill had built around his alien creatures, past the hive. What is your own back story for these aliens? What's their home planet like? Why did the end up on Earth? The hive mind [concept] is the most important thing to me, because I love the idea of a civilization that can build all of that technology and then, at the same time, just have a massive population that was just drones that needed direction, and were absolutely incapable of building that stuff on their own. I found that to be a really interesting concept. Also, it sort of explains why they don't turn on the humans. Individually, they may be feeling oppressed, but they don't have it together enough to form a resistance and back one another. So I found that really interesting. I think that they do have a home planet, it's pretty far away probably in the Andromeda Galaxy, but what I like is that they'll live on the ship for thousands of years. Obviously, there's much more of a population on the main planet, but the ships will go out and get the minerals and the ore and whatever resources they need and then bring them all back home. The other thing is that the ship was meant to clip together with other ships. So there's, like, vast amounts of resources that they're bringing to the parent planet. And the ship, when the army generals or the queen of that particular ship died off by some sort of virus or bacteria that they picked up on some other planet, that killed them off. And it didn't effect these sort of resilient, hardy sort of drone workers. Then the technology is usually the thing that they relied on to save them, but in this case it sort of screwed them because it brought them to a planet that kind of treated them pretty badly, but it was the ship that realized that, unless it gets to a life sustaining planet everything is going to die, which is a cool idea. So the ship just auto pilots to the closest one in the Goldilocks band, and it's our planet and then pulls up and hits the breaks. Where does this leave Christopher Johnson [an abnormally smart prawn who sparks a bit of a revolution... Not to give too much away]? I think it's taken 20 years. I think because there is a subconscious hive mind happening, really what they should do is lay one egg that has a different embryo in it that grows into a Queen or being someone that dictates direction. But I think in the interim, because they may have done that, there may be an egg out there with that, but as that being is growing, I just like the idea that he may have been a lot more directionless in the beginning. But the hive structure of their society may just pick one or two that starts to become the leader. Like the overall structure of his brain may change because the hive may want that to happen. So he starts having a direction and a goal. Which is an interesting idea and it's just enough to kick start them to be able to get to the ship to get back. 1) The thing that bothers me is how is it that Wikus is able to understand the alien's language with no translator device? aliens have lived on earth for almost 30 years at that point and he's a fairly high up employee in the alien affairs division, that's like asking how a missionary to the new world in the 1600s could possibly ever learn the language of native americans | ||
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zeppelin
United States565 Posts
On August 24 2009 17:46 A3iL3r0n wrote: The part that totally killed off the movie for me was when Wikus knocks out Christopher once he finds out its going to take 3 years to change him back. This is after the break into the government lab together and they have a moment during all of the gun fire. It gives Wikus has 0 heart at all, and not only that, any strides you thought he was making became null also. It's just bad writing, it's basically a bald-faced way of making the task of getting Christopher back to the mothership all that more difficult and harrowing, when there were obvious other ways to make this happen that were more smooth and kept the main character's development intact. a movie where a character under a significant amount of duress makes nothing but calm and rational decisions is arguably more far-fetched than one where they do something really dumb in hindsight to try to make the duress stop too often people at the movies project the character to be as calm and content as they are sitting in the theater instead of putting themselves into the character's position | ||
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BlackJack
United States10421 Posts
On August 24 2009 17:46 A3iL3r0n wrote: The part that totally killed off the movie for me was when Wikus knocks out Christopher once he finds out its going to take 3 years to change him back. This is after the break into the government lab together and they have a moment during all of the gun fire. It gives Wikus has 0 heart at all, and not only that, any strides you thought he was making became null also. It's just bad writing, it's basically a bald-faced way of making the task of getting Christopher back to the mothership all that more difficult and harrowing, when there were obvious other ways to make this happen that were more smooth and kept the main character's development intact. You're talking about the guy that tried to cut off his own arm. How did you expect him to take the news that it would be 3 years to change him back? | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
On August 24 2009 17:46 A3iL3r0n wrote: The part that totally killed off the movie for me was when Wikus knocks out Christopher once he finds out its going to take 3 years to change him back. This is after the break into the government lab together and they have a moment during all of the gun fire. It gives Wikus has 0 heart at all, and not only that, any strides you thought he was making became null also. It's just bad writing, it's basically a bald-faced way of making the task of getting Christopher back to the mothership all that more difficult and harrowing, when there were obvious other ways to make this happen that were more smooth and kept the main character's development intact. That part really made me laugh because when Wikus shot the alien weapon and the security guy splattered and Christopher responded "Fuck!". I thought it was funny because there was a subtitle for it. | ||
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Kenny
United States678 Posts
On September 02 2009 06:14 zoLo wrote: That part really made me laugh because when Wikus shot the alien weapon and the security guy splattered and Christopher responded "Fuck!". I thought it was funny because there was a subtitle for it. Haha yea the splatters from the humans with the alien gun was simply win. | ||
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snorlax
United States755 Posts
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
I found the whole situation with the aliens unbelievable. I don't mean the aliens themselves or anything like that just their situation on earth with humans. But at least the plot was consistent in this. I'm a big sci-fi person and I've seen/read a lot but to me it was just...stupid. I thought the movie was decent but nothing close to special or even good. I can't recommend it. Decent is the perfect word for it imo. Inglorious Basterds is amazing, go see that instead. | ||
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zeppelin
United States565 Posts
On September 02 2009 09:20 Xxio wrote: NO spoilers in this post I found the whole situation with the aliens unbelievable. I don't mean the aliens themselves or anything like that just their situation on earth with humans. But at least the plot was consistent in this. I'm a big sci-fi person and I've seen/read a lot but to me it was just...stupid. I thought the movie was decent but nothing close to special or even good. I can't recommend it. Decent is the perfect word for it imo. Inglorious Basterds is amazing, go see that instead. of all the fictional elements in the movie, the fact that sentient beings when deprived of their leadership struggle became marginalized and isolated by the dominant population is easily the most grounded in reality | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
Also, why the fuck would they keep them in the middle of Africa? I mean, are there no governments in this movie or what? And if it's way into the future when corporations control the world (which it in no way seems) they still wouldn't treat the aliens that way, it's just inefficient and counter productive on so many levels | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On August 24 2009 17:46 A3iL3r0n wrote: The part that totally killed off the movie for me was when Wikus knocks out Christopher once he finds out its going to take 3 years to change him back. This is after the break into the government lab together and they have a moment during all of the gun fire. It gives Wikus has 0 heart at all, and not only that, any strides you thought he was making became null also. It's just bad writing, it's basically a bald-faced way of making the task of getting Christopher back to the mothership all that more difficult and harrowing, when there were obvious other ways to make this happen that were more smooth and kept the main character's development intact. I can see both sides on this. The premise is great, and the actor playing Wikus did a good job, and it had intense gun battles. To the more critical eye, the movie has a lot of schlocky moments and in view of the greater scope of all movies, there are movies with great premises and execution so why get bother getting a boner about this overall average to above-average film? Wikus was ALWAYS weak, this just shows that more. Furthermore, it highlights humanity's weakness - Wikus knew that a massive population of Christopher's race was in peril, but instead he chose the selfish path when he learned he would have to wait for any hope of becoming human again. | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On September 02 2009 09:54 Xxio wrote: If First Contact was made a corporation (that manufactures weapons lol) would not be given control over the alien population. Driving their trucks and telling Aliens to be evicted and having their own army shooting them down. Oh and letting the aliens just live off garbage and get addicted to cat-food, not to mention having some random Algerian gang taking control of their ghetto. Also, why the fuck would they keep them in the middle of Africa? I mean, are there no governments in this movie or what? And if it's way into the future when corporations control the world (which it in no way seems) they still wouldn't treat the aliens that way, it's just inefficient and counter productive on so many levels Did you not watch the damn movie at all? They kept them in the middle of Africa because it was right below their mothership. This was blatantly obvious. Governments hired this corporation to move the aliens (specifically the South African government) because they didn't want to do it themselves and have the "blood on their hands". There were 1.8 million (or more) aliens in District 9. Are you seriously going to tell me that it's that easy to control them, keep them from living in slum-like conditions, and stopping crime from running rampant in a slum of 1.8 MILLION? It's 30 years in the future. Like I said, the corporation was hired by the South African government and not too much changed from what it's like today (realistically, in 30 years we won't change that much). The plot is perfectly believable, you obviously just didn't watch half the movie or it'd be blatantly obvious as to why. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On September 02 2009 10:00 Xxio wrote: ^ to add on that, I'm pretty sure Wikus doesn't know how to operate the alien medical technology on the ship (as he was told) to make himself human again...soo he just wanted to go up there to chill? I'm sure that when you are facing your HUMANITY being taken away from you by a DNA-altering foreign substance transforming you against your will, you'll think completely logically. | ||
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