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I would say there are still quite a few bad guys left that have already been announced, not even counting any potential new ones (and we've already had knew ones pop up, such as Blackbeard, Kidd, etc).
Blackbeard
Big Mam
Kuma (should be an enemy now since his conscience was completely removed)
Mihawk (probably not an enemy of the Straw Hats but rather just an enemy of Zoro at some point in the future)
And there are two unknown Shichibukai still
Three Adminrals
Fleet Admiral
Any remaining CP members
World Government Commander
Five Gorosei (it's safe to assume these guys are strong, or at least employ someone strong - otherwise how would they be able to control the Shichibukai and the World Government?)
Then you have all kinds of people I think the Straw Hats will eventually become friends with but will first fight them again. Smoker, Moriah, Crocodile, Garp, etc.
And then there are the Revolutionaries who haven't even done anything yet, so you need people for them to fight as well. They certainly won't be fighting random marines and vice admirals because they have quite a few very strong people in their ranks.
So, saying there's only BB and WG left isn't really accurate.
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I don't think the Gorosei are meant to be fighters. They're Tenryuubito after all.
They have the Marines to do the fighting.
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Disagree. The Gorosei and Tenryuubito are two different things. The Gorosei are the five elders that pretty much run the entire world; they control the World Government, the World Nobles, and the Shichibukai. Kong, the highest ranking member of the World Government, reports to the Gorosei. The Shichibukai report to the Gorosei. They are literally the top of the pyramid and the only major faction they don't control are the four emperors.
All five of the Gorosei were shown to have battle scars and I believe at least one of them carries around a sword, which would indicate they are fighters to some extent.
My theory is that if they weren't really strong fighters then why the hell would the World Government obey them? They must be strong enough to keep hotheads like Akainu and the Shichibukai in line.
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ZigguratOfUr
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On March 22 2014 12:53 Serejai wrote:
Disagree. The Gorosei and Tenryuubito are two different things. The Gorosei are the five elders that pretty much run the entire world; they control the World Government, the World Nobles, and the Shichibukai. Kong, the highest ranking member of the World Government, reports to the Gorosei. The Shichibukai report to the Gorosei. They are literally the top of the pyramid and the only major faction they don't control are the four emperors.
All five of the Gorosei were shown to have battle scars and I believe at least one of them carries around a sword, which would indicate they are fighters to some extent.
My theory is that if they weren't really strong fighters then why the hell would the World Government obey them? They must be strong enough to keep hotheads like Akainu and the Shichibukai in line.
I disagree with the statement that are incredibly strong fighters. Several of them are definitely fighters or ex-fighters, but I don't think they can be compared to the admirals or Shichibukai in pure fighting power. Like in the real world, they rule not because they are the strongest in a fight, but because they have the most political power, and influence in all places.
I am more interested in how they relate to the Tenryuubito. Its hard to believe that they are Tenryuubito, since all the Tenryuubito shown till now seem rather irresponsible, and the Gorosei seem to be strong if rather draconian rulers. The Gorosei and their predessors almost definitely have some sort of close relationship with the Tenryuubito, since I don't think the Tenryuubito could stay above the law for 800 years, without something beyond pure economic power.
Also, as far as I know there is only one last unrevealed Shichibukai.
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Tenryuubito aren't all the same. Remember that Doflamingo is a Tenryuubito. And not only is he not wearing a spacesuit, he became a pirate.
While we've seen only 4 or so snotty spacesuit Tenryuubito, I doubt that they are all like that.
And on the other hand I doubt that the World is ruled by people who are not nobles. It would go against what nobility meant back then(before the advent of democracy.) The nobility is quite literally the ruling class.
Or on the other hand, if the Gorosei were not Tenryuubito, what reason would they have to tolerate the Tenryuubito? The Tenryuubito are basically court nobility. Not directly ruling any counrty, they sure as hell are not popular with 90% of the population and it doesn't seem like there are banks that span multiple islands.
In short the world nobles don't have much real leverage against a government(in general) and fulfill no practical use.
And from which part of the population would the Gorosei be chosen/elected/crowned then? There would be conflict in Mariejoa if the Gorosei were "filthy commoners"
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You also forgot Coby, I'm pretty sure he'll be Luffy rival like Garp was for Roger
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On March 22 2014 15:26 Mataza wrote:
Tenryuubito aren't all the same. Remember that Doflamingo is a Tenryuubito. And not only is he not wearing a spacesuit, he became a pirate.
While we've seen only 4 or so snotty spacesuit Tenryuubito, I doubt that they are all like that.
And on the other hand I doubt that the World is ruled by people who are not nobles. It would go against what nobility meant back then(before the advent of democracy.) The nobility is quite literally the ruling class.
Or on the other hand, if the Gorosei were not Tenryuubito, what reason would they have to tolerate the Tenryuubito? The Tenryuubito are basically court nobility. Not directly ruling any counrty, they sure as hell are not popular with 90% of the population and it doesn't seem like there are banks that span multiple islands.
In short the world nobles don't have much real leverage against a government(in general) and fulfill no practical use.
And from which part of the population would the Gorosei be chosen/elected/crowned then? There would be conflict in Mariejoa if the Gorosei were "filthy commoners"
the Tenryuubito might have a fruit or something they use to brainwash people into accepting the status co
besides the Tenryuubito may think of the rest of the world as filthy commoners but tehy have no problems with making them do work for them so even if the gorosei are commoners they wouldnt care
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On March 22 2014 22:41 Forikorder wrote:
the Tenryuubito might have a fruit or something they use to brainwash people into accepting the status co
The real world elite doesn't use any fruit to brainwash people. The OP world elite doesn't need it either.
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By the way guys I really, really feel for Monet. I just finished rewatching punk hazard and I've just realized a few things.
First of all, Monet really liked Doflamingo (which is a tendeancy that seems to be there in the other DD crew members, including Vergo) and she was willing to both kill and die for him with little to no hestitation. That's why she was with Caesar on PH, to act as a body-guard / agent for DD. She was in fact so loyal to DD that she go as far as helping Caesar with his fucked up experiments, including giving drugs to children.
Now, if you just take a quick glance at the situation, it seems that Monet is apathetic towards the children and in fact doesn't give a fuck about almost anything other than covering for DD.
In reality, it actually pains the fuck out of her to screw up with children lives like that. She isn't apathetic towards the children, rather, she's so ridiculously loyal to DD that she'll do anything, including doing something that makes her sick. The only way she can make up for it is by being as nice as possible towards the children, making them as happy and comfortable as she can.
When she noticed chopper in the lab (which she did), she didn't do anything because I'm guessing she figured that he was looking to help the children. the "don't do anything note" that chopper got from who-knows-who wasn't from Law, it was from monet.
that's why i see monet under a new angle now and she's actually amazing. amazing through her dedication to DD and also amazing by the fact she did care for the children. the anime is very accurate in portraying the manga and when watching the anime, you do get the impression that the one thing that ticks her is the straw hats / G5 going after the children.
monet, so beautiful
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I thought it was Law giving Chopper the note with his shambles. Remember that he switched his handcuffs for regular ones, so he wasn't really incapacitated.
Guess it's time to reread then.
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On March 22 2014 23:07 Incognoto wrote:
By the way guys I really, really feel for Monet. I just finished rewatching punk hazard and I've just realized a few things.
First of all, Monet really liked Doflamingo (which is a tendeancy that seems to be there in the other DD crew members, including Vergo) and she was willing to both kill and die for him with little to no hestitation. That's why she was with Caesar on PH, to act as a body-guard / agent for DD. She was in fact so loyal to DD that she go as far as helping Caesar with his fucked up experiments, including giving drugs to children.
Now, if you just take a quick glance at the situation, it seems that Monet is apathetic towards the children and in fact doesn't give a fuck about almost anything other than covering for DD.
In reality, it actually pains the fuck out of her to screw up with children lives like that. She isn't apathetic towards the children, rather, she's so ridiculously loyal to DD that she'll do anything, including doing something that makes her sick. The only way she can make up for it is by being as nice as possible towards the children, making them as happy and comfortable as she can.
When she noticed chopper in the lab (which she did), she didn't do anything because I'm guessing she figured that he was looking to help the children. the "don't do anything note" that chopper got from who-knows-who wasn't from Law, it was from monet.
that's why i see monet under a new angle now and she's actually amazing. amazing through her dedication to DD and also amazing by the fact she did care for the children. the anime is very accurate in portraying the manga and when watching the anime, you do get the impression that the one thing that ticks her is the straw hats / G5 going after the children.
monet, so beautiful
if monet was so loyal why betray him by ignoring Chopper?
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On March 22 2014 13:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Also, as far as I know there is only one last unrevealed Shichibukai.
We currently have:
Mihawk
Doflamingo
Boa
Kuma
Buggy
And then, I believe, they showed a shadow of a sixth but I can't find anything talking about a seventh (replacement for Law).
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On March 23 2014 00:24 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 13:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Also, as far as I know there is only one last unrevealed Shichibukai. We currently have: Mihawk Doflamingo Boa Kuma Buggy And then, I believe, they showed a shadow of a sixth but I can't find anything talking about a seventh (replacement for Law).
there's no official replacement for law yet because in one piece timeline he's been kicked out of his position for like 2 days.
The last (6th shichi adding to your list) is a lvl 6 escapee from impel down who cut off Admiral Z's arm.
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On March 23 2014 00:33 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 00:24 Serejai wrote:On March 22 2014 13:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Also, as far as I know there is only one last unrevealed Shichibukai. We currently have: Mihawk Doflamingo Boa Kuma Buggy And then, I believe, they showed a shadow of a sixth but I can't find anything talking about a seventh (replacement for Law). there's no official replacement for law yet because in one piece timeline he's been kicked out of his position for like 2 days. The last (6th shichi adding to your list) is a lvl 6 escapee from impel down who cut off Admiral Z's arm.
That's all speculation based on a movie that may or may not be canon. That guy does not exist in the manga.
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On March 23 2014 01:56 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 00:33 AsnSensation wrote:On March 23 2014 00:24 Serejai wrote:On March 22 2014 13:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Also, as far as I know there is only one last unrevealed Shichibukai. We currently have: Mihawk Doflamingo Boa Kuma Buggy And then, I believe, they showed a shadow of a sixth but I can't find anything talking about a seventh (replacement for Law). there's no official replacement for law yet because in one piece timeline he's been kicked out of his position for like 2 days. The last (6th shichi adding to your list) is a lvl 6 escapee from impel down who cut off Admiral Z's arm. That's all speculation based on a movie that may or may not be canon. That guy does not exist in the manga.
It'd be dumb if a movie which was overseen by Oda-sensei himself stated that Z lost it when the World Government gave the pirate, that cut his arm and killed his entire ship of recruits, shichibukai status, only to have it not be true in the manga.
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On March 23 2014 02:12 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 01:56 Serejai wrote:On March 23 2014 00:33 AsnSensation wrote:On March 23 2014 00:24 Serejai wrote:On March 22 2014 13:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Also, as far as I know there is only one last unrevealed Shichibukai. We currently have: Mihawk Doflamingo Boa Kuma Buggy And then, I believe, they showed a shadow of a sixth but I can't find anything talking about a seventh (replacement for Law). there's no official replacement for law yet because in one piece timeline he's been kicked out of his position for like 2 days. The last (6th shichi adding to your list) is a lvl 6 escapee from impel down who cut off Admiral Z's arm. That's all speculation based on a movie that may or may not be canon. That guy does not exist in the manga. It'd be dumb if a movie which was overseen by Oda-sensei himself stated that Z lost it when the World Government gave the pirate, that cut his arm and killed his entire ship of recruits, shichibukai status, only to have it not be true in the manga.
Aye but until its fully stated in the manga is will always be regarded and non canon unfortunately.
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Yea, if its not in the manga its non canon. Just how it works, even the filler stuff in the anime has to get approved by oda but will always be considered non-canon.
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So basically Oda is wrong?
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