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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On February 22 2014 22:44 Incognoto wrote: Because he came out on top in the duels with Shanks? Haha, where are you getting this from? all we know is that they used to duel before Shanks left for east blue. It has never been stated or implied that Mihawk came out on top. | ||
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On February 22 2014 22:49 Prog455 wrote: All we know is that Mihawk no longer considers Shanks a worthy rival And that Mihawk failed to injure anyone during the Marineford war, while Shanks mere presence managed to end it because neither Teach or Sengoku wanted to take on his crew. Speaks Volumes about who is more feared and respected. | ||
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shark.
593 Posts
On February 22 2014 22:57 sc2holar wrote: And that Mihawk failed to injure anyone during the Marineford war, while Shanks mere presence managed to end it because neither Teach or Sengoku wanted to take on his crew. Speaks Volumes about who is more feared and respected. Whitebeard failed to kill or permanently injure anyone of note in the War. Does this Whitebeard is a little baby weakling who only good because he has got an epic moustache? They didn't want to fight shanks because they only just survived defeating whitebeard and killing ace. Plus the fact that BB had acquired his fruit and was in the process of going ham on everything in sight meant continuing to fight was absolutely pointless. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
There's no point in trying to guess his power level, since you're not going to figure it out. Even if he had a low bounty it wouldn't matter, because he already doesn't go around doing much, and just stays on his island. He's as strong as, stronger or weaker than Shanks. That's it. | ||
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goody153
44236 Posts
On February 22 2014 23:08 shark. wrote: Whitebeard failed to kill or permanently injure anyone of note in the War. Does this Whitebeard is a little baby weakling who only good because he has got an epic moustache? They didn't want to fight shanks because they only just survived defeating whitebeard and killing ace. Plus the fact that BB had acquired his fruit and was in the process of going ham on everything in sight meant continuing to fight was absolutely pointless. Yeah whitebeard was kited until death during the war not to mention there are just too many tanky characters in the marine side (akainu, kizaru , aokiji) and crowd control(wall + ice stuff + luffy diving) for him to deal the necessary dps. Anyways i think the reason why they don't want to deal with shanks that day is because of BB rampaging the marineford. The marines were taking heavy casualties and their main dps characters was already fighting for so long. Not to mention i think they mentioned that Kaido was also rampaging somewhere. It's not because they fear shanks or something. Hell marines were even ballsy enough to enrage the supposedly most powerful force at that time which was the whitebeard pirates. There was just too much stuff to handle that time that dealing with shanks would be a bummer. The marines were gonna lose the war of attrition if they pursued further. | ||
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goody153
44236 Posts
Also we have not seen shanks fight purely. I think he is not a pure swordsman but rather a mixed fighter. Mihawk has huge pride that is why he doesn't wanna fight shanks. Sure Mihawk wins when he duels with shanks and if only shanks solely uses swordmanship but we all know that won't be the case. Anyways mihawk is not overrated. He is certainly powerful. There are a lot of swordman in the sea and it is surprising he still considered as the most powerful one. | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
Mihawk is strong, we know that, he is the strongest swordman in the world and he practiced with Shanks and they were "rivals" that pretty much puts him on par with the strongest guys in the OPverse.. But he is only 1 guy and Shanks has a crew with handpicked strong guys.. Even rockstar that is "new" on his ship had a 99 million bounty.. That means every single one of Shanks crew is a seasoned vet of the New World! They all should have a good grasp of haki and thousands of battles in his belt plus they close like a family. So even if Shanks was weaker then Mihawk he would kick his ass because he has a fucking crew.. and everybody would respect Shanks more because of that.. Younkou is not just about strenght like being a marine Admiral.. but it's also about having a strong crew to defend yourselft from others younkous, pirates and the marines! So yeah Shanks > Mihawk and all younkou > Mihawk.. For instance if Shanks, Big Mum, WB pirates, BB and Kaidou wanted his island.. he probably couldn't protect it alone and if Zoro defeated all of the monkeys.. i guess the Younkou also can. | ||
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
On February 22 2014 20:47 sc2holar wrote: The Mihawk circlejerking is pretty annoying. He is super fucking strong but there is no way he is close to yonko level. The guy fought evenly with Vista in marineford, how can you place him on par with the 4 strongest pirates in the world? in fact, Mihawk was the only shichibukai who didnt manage to hurt anyone during marineford. I still dont get why so many people think he will be killed by Shillew though. I guess it is because it would give Zoro a good grudge and earn him a rival amongst the Blackbeard Pirates. I'm pretty sure Mihawk didn't even try during his duel vs Vista. I don't think he cared much about this war he just wanted to show his presence in order to keep his Shichibukai status. | ||
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goody153
44236 Posts
On February 23 2014 00:58 shell wrote: Mensol always bringing up lame old Enel.. it gets boring after a while! Mihawk is strong, we know that, he is the strongest swordman in the world and he practiced with Shanks and they were "rivals" that pretty much puts him on par with the strongest guys in the OPverse.. But he is only 1 guy and Shanks has a crew with handpicked strong guys.. Even rockstar that is "new" on his ship had a 99 million bounty.. That means every single one of Shanks crew is a seasoned vet of the New World! They all should have a good grasp of haki and thousands of battles in his belt plus they close like a family. So even if Shanks was weaker then Mihawk he would kick his ass because he has a fucking crew.. and everybody would respect Shanks more because of that.. Younkou is not just about strenght like being a marine Admiral.. but it's also about having a strong crew to defend yourselft from others younkous, pirates and the marines! So yeah Shanks > Mihawk and all younkou > Mihawk.. For instance if Shanks, Big Mum, WB pirates, BB and Kaidou wanted his island.. he probably couldn't protect it alone and if Zoro defeated all of the monkeys.. i guess the Younkou also can. You nailed it buddy ! i only disagree in the part where shanks is stronger than everyone. During whitebeard was still alive maybe him but certainly not shanks.. I think so far the crew in the are saying that Kaido is the strongest in terms of fighting capacity. Of course he is not ahead in a huge margin. I mean they hype whitebeard in the war arc yes. But mostly i hear that Kaido is pretty much broken. Law has mentioned this once. I seen some other character also say this i just forgot who. Or maybe i could be wrong and this is basic hype in the one piece OPverse. | ||
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goody153
44236 Posts
On February 23 2014 01:13 Lylat wrote: I'm pretty sure Mihawk didn't even try during his duel vs Vista. I don't think he cared much about this war he just wanted to show his presence in order to keep his Shichibukai status. He just wanted to try the strength of whitebeard as far as i could remember but whelp he couldn't go through Jozu which is pretty sad. I think he stopped trying to know whitebeard strength later the war after seeing his ridiculous 1 hit potential. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Boa Hancock attacked marines, DD was shown using hiw powers to attack Sir Crocodile, Moria just stood there and once brought up a bunch of zombies which were immediately drowned in salt water by Jinbei. Kuma was a mindless pacifista at that point, not using his super fast movement or devil fruit either. In my opinion it's a little hasty to say Mihawk fought at the limit of his power just because he fought at all. On the other hand the giant ice masses made by Aokiji were affected by only 3 people on the battlefield. Mihawk cut one of the walls, Whitebeard shattered a wall(or both) with his quake powers and Akainu melted the ground ice they were standing on with his magma fruit. It's something right? | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On February 22 2014 22:44 Incognoto wrote: Because he came out on top in the duels with Shanks? Because being the best swordsmen in the strongest pirate crew of the time means something? He's right, there's no fixed power levels in One Piece. Fights go one way then another. Just look at Either way, doesn't matter. http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2541-9/one-piece/chapter-434.html This is where the duel between shanks and mihawk is mentioned in the manga does it say when this duel occured? So how do you know he was yonko at the time this duel occured? Do you know how close the battle was? THis is how I see your argument. Mihawk has fought Shanks. Shanks is currently a yonko. Therefore when mihawk fought shanks, shanks was a yonko. sigh On February 23 2014 02:48 Sentenal wrote: People are overthinking the strongest swordsman title, in combination with Shanks and Mihawk dueling. All it means is that Mihawk is better with a sword than Shanks. We already know Shanks focuses on Conqueror's Haki as his thing, he doesn't need to be a better swordsman to be stronger than Mihawk. ^this^ | ||
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shark.
593 Posts
It's made quite clear that none of the shichibukai care who wins the war but mihawk apologies in his mind to shanks about attacking all out against luffy. If he were to truly go all out to kill luffy imo given the hype around then luffy should have been fucked right there and then. But he doesn't and Mihawk ends up dueling Vista for no apparent gain after being distracted by buggy and all. It has never set right with me. Why have him think such things if hes gonna pussy out and not go on a rampage with Haki and fuck everyone unfortunate enough to come become him and Luffy? | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 23 2014 04:38 Mataza wrote: Just to mention, none of the Shichibukai did anything noteworthy in the Marineford war. Boa Hancock attacked marines, DD was shown using hiw powers to attack Sir Crocodile, Moria just stood there and once brought up a bunch of zombies which were immediately drowned in salt water by Jinbei. Kuma was a mindless pacifista at that point, not using his super fast movement or devil fruit either. In my opinion it's a little hasty to say Mihawk fought at the limit of his power just because he fought at all. On the other hand the giant ice masses made by Aokiji were affected by only 3 people on the battlefield. Mihawk cut one of the walls, Whitebeard shattered a wall(or both) with his quake powers and Akainu melted the ground ice they were standing on with his magma fruit. It's something right? Few of them scored any actual victories, aside from stuff like Jinbe stomping Moria, but I wouldn't say they didn't do anything noteworthy. IIRC, Doflamingo took out Jozu, didn't he? Crocodile and Jinbe both managed to save Luffy from Akainu at different times, and Crocodile even saved Ace from execution once. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
I admire your dutifulness then, because I only know lazy people in my life, all looking out for cheap excuses. That's what Mihawk did in my interpretation at least. He doesn't want to attack and/or kill Luffy(because of Shanks). Suddenly Vista appears. "Yes, let's fight him instead" goes Mihawk. And if the Marines ask he would respond "I was totally fighting Vista and could not turn away from him. " | ||
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Big-t
Austria1350 Posts
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shark.
593 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On February 23 2014 05:17 Sentenal wrote: Few of them scored any actual victories, aside from stuff like Jinbe stomping Moria, but I wouldn't say they didn't do anything noteworthy. IIRC, Doflamingo took out Jozu, didn't he? Crocodile and Jinbe both managed to save Luffy from Akainu at different times, and Crocodile even saved Ace from execution once. Sorry, I wasn't very clear. I was referring only to the acting Shichibukai on World Government side. They were forced to participate. The ex shichibukai on Whitebeard's side came voluntarily, after all. | ||
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