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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
February 21 2014 07:29 GMT
#13681
No one knows how they dueled, Mihawk could have been referring only to sword play duels. There isn't enough information to really say anything besides hype from what characters have said.
Never Knows Best.
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 08:09:27
February 21 2014 08:09 GMT
#13682
I can't imagine Luffy getting Kuma's DF, this shit is one of the most OP fruit of all the manga.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
February 21 2014 08:10 GMT
#13683
I still think Mihawk is REALLY fucking strong but just doesn't care about much.

Yonko level? Maybe? He's probably a bit weaker than that? Hard to say, we only had Whitebeard to gauge the strength of a Yonko and he was the strongest man in the world. I think he's Sichibukai just so he doesn't have to bother fighting marines on a day to day basis or go into hiding (à la Rayleigh).
maru lover forever
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
February 21 2014 08:10 GMT
#13684
On February 21 2014 17:09 Faust852 wrote:
I can't imagine Luffy getting Kuma's DF, this shit is one of the most OP fruit of all the manga.

?

all it does is let you shoot hand beams and gives you an unstoppable shield
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 08:53:24
February 21 2014 08:14 GMT
#13685
On February 21 2014 17:10 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 17:09 Faust852 wrote:
I can't imagine Luffy getting Kuma's DF, this shit is one of the most OP fruit of all the manga.

?

all it does is let you shoot hand beams and gives you an unstoppable shield


He can kill almost every non-logia DF users by pushing them into the sea in only one hit. Hell, even if you don't have any DF, being thrown in the middle of an ocean with tons of Seakings is kind of a death scenario.
He has this huge shockwave that OS Oars Jr. too.
And he can almost teleport himself.
sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 09:08:17
February 21 2014 09:07 GMT
#13686
Not to mention that he's got one of the better fruits for defensive purposes. Touch them and they won't bother him for a while. He could technically also push people UP, which means they'll probably get hurt from the inevitable fall.
17Sphynx17
Profile Joined September 2011
580 Posts
February 21 2014 09:40 GMT
#13687
I actually find Kuma's DF curious. He can push literally anything (object, emotion/feeling etc) right?

I was wondering, if he say managed to make contact with a fighter and his instruction would be I push you to next month, will his DF allow that?

I feel it can and it will leave the enemy continously looping the world until it reaches "next month".

Wonder though if we can twist that further and make it a time travel fruit to push you "back in time". although this line of thinking is too much of a stretch already. hehe!

It's just a theory of mine though.
DODswe4
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2157 Posts
February 21 2014 10:15 GMT
#13688
On February 21 2014 18:40 17Sphynx17 wrote:
I actually find Kuma's DF curious. He can push literally anything (object, emotion/feeling etc) right?

I was wondering, if he say managed to make contact with a fighter and his instruction would be I push you to next month, will his DF allow that?

I feel it can and it will leave the enemy continously looping the world until it reaches "next month".

Wonder though if we can twist that further and make it a time travel fruit to push you "back in time". although this line of thinking is too much of a stretch already. hehe!

It's just a theory of mine though.

I dont think he can travel in time (or make others travel in time), but who knows
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
February 21 2014 10:18 GMT
#13689
What if he "pushed" his personality out, or a part of it, and someone like Dragon is keeping it waiting the right time to give it back to him ?
sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
February 21 2014 10:24 GMT
#13690
Or maybe they have a DF user who can make clones of people and he pushed his soul out of him and into it?

In other words, the silly theories are becoming a bit too silly now. Maybe you should stop while you still can.
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
February 21 2014 10:29 GMT
#13691
It's Oda, there is no such thing as silly theory.
17Sphynx17
Profile Joined September 2011
580 Posts
February 21 2014 10:41 GMT
#13692
On February 21 2014 19:24 sumsaR wrote:
Or maybe they have a DF user who can make clones of people and he pushed his soul out of him and into it?

In other words, the silly theories are becoming a bit too silly now. Maybe you should stop while you still can.


With the amount of ridiculousness of DF abilities and their variety, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a fruit that would give you powers say a-la Multiple Man.

Kuma's DF power literally allows him to push anything and is not limited to just physical objects as he was also able to push damage/pain out of one person into another. So who knows, he may be able to push out personality into another person.

Not saying he can, but since there is ambiguity in the power still, maybe he could and hasn't done it or hasn't learned to reach that "level" yet.

Again, nothing but a theory on my part =)
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 16:58:30
February 21 2014 16:57 GMT
#13693
On February 21 2014 17:14 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 17:10 Forikorder wrote:
On February 21 2014 17:09 Faust852 wrote:
I can't imagine Luffy getting Kuma's DF, this shit is one of the most OP fruit of all the manga.

?

all it does is let you shoot hand beams and gives you an unstoppable shield


He can kill almost every non-logia DF users by pushing them into the sea in only one hit. Hell, even if you don't have any DF, being thrown in the middle of an ocean with tons of Seakings is kind of a death scenario.
He has this huge shockwave that OS Oars Jr. too.
And he can almost teleport himself.

there other fruits that can one hit kill, if you get hit by an earthwuake your dead, if you get hit by Magellans strongest poison your dead if croc grabs a hold of you your dead

compared to him being able to send them somewhere that could be fatal it isnt that impressive
terranghost
Profile Joined May 2010
United States980 Posts
February 21 2014 19:01 GMT
#13694
On February 21 2014 16:20 Shinokuki wrote:
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On February 21 2014 13:42 terranghost wrote:
On February 20 2014 22:06 goody153 wrote:
On February 20 2014 12:47 ElizarTringov wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:22 ReketSomething wrote:
I just hope that oda/people stop focusing on haki because it made combat a lot more linear and boring. Lots of characters are now "the same" and it turned into a "who can use haki better" battle instead of a battle of cool abilities and powers.


Really? Exactly the opposite happened when Luffy was using haki when he lost to Caesar Clown due to Caesars ability to manipulate air thus suffocating Luffy. Exactly the opposite happened on Punk Hazard where Vergo was COMPELTELY covered in Haki from head to toe and he got sliced to pieces. Exactly the opposite happened when Doflamingo fought Law, Doflamingo didnt use Haki, he was just faster. Law didn't even get a chance to use his room ability in a fight because Dofla was one step ahead of him, and in the final winning straw did he cut him with with his Haki infused string ability? Did he beat him down with haki infused kicks or punches? No, he just shot him a bunch of times with a gun. When the admiral was fighting he sent down an asteroid not with haki, but with his special ability, did Law just stop it with his Haki? No he used his DF ability. I don't know what manga you are reading but it isn't One Piece.

Yeah i could still remember BB going toe to toe vs Sengoku just because of stolen DF and his Yami-Yami.

Even though sengoku was obviously like 10 times more skilled than BB.

And also i remember some cases that not all haki goes through devil fruit users. Especially those who could also use Haki. Like for example during the marineford war didn't Jozu(i forgot the name but one of whitebeards commanders that has the diamond haki) block Mihawks attack(remember that zoro could cut someone using haki even with his range attacks not just close contact attack so it's not impossible that mihawk can also use the same thing) and Mihawk is supposedly the most powerful swordman in the world so you know he not weak.

More examples would be Akainu taking haki attacks from Marco and calling it annoying. Also the case where aokiji took a haki attack from whitebeard crew and was not scratched by it. Although he was harmed by Jozu when jozu attacked him and he took the attack by surprise(Although this could also be arguable since haki vs haki is possible and maybe in cases of akainu and aokiji they are just mixing haki on defending).

Another example would be the snow woman(Caesars assistant) vs Tashigi where if zoro never helped and allowed Tashigi to attack the snow woman(Caesars assistant) by surprise Tashigi was basically losing one-sidedly, And the snow women did not even have haki just pure blunt fighting skills + abuse of DF.


I recently rewatched the marineford arc and I was think about this part in particular.

He is the most powerful "swordsman". Not the most powerful fighter.
For example kizaru was shown using a sword made out of light. I would argue that kizaru could beat mihawk but if kizaru limited hiself to only swordsplay that mihawk would win.


argue with me. Mihawk who dueled with shanks with 2 arms during those days. Their duels can be heard all throughout grandline and would end in tie. Mihawk avoids shanks now ,sayign that shanks only has one arm and it wouldn't be a fair duel. Shanks is YONKO. hmmmm would kizaru really beat mihawk who would be zoro's final boss


I will concede the first point if you find it in the manga I'm too lazy to look but from what I remember it just said that they dueled it didn't say when they dueled if shanks was a yonko at the time or even if mihawk was considered the greatest at the time. Or even how close the matches were. From what I remember all we know is they dueled a few times then shanks loses his arm and mihawk loses interest.

Now on the second point I was convinced for the longest time that Mihawk is Zoro's final boss but not since the time skip.
He trained with Mihawk and still doesn't surpass him. What I see happening is Mihawk eventually losing to something else. (rather that be a disease, another swordsman, a nonswordsman) and Zoro eventually having another opponent.
I'm sure this view is not commonplace so we won't know if this prediction holds any water for a few years yet. We still don't know anything about his training other than he fought the humandrills.
"It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it." - Thomas Sowell
SheaR619
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2399 Posts
February 21 2014 19:05 GMT
#13695
On February 21 2014 18:07 sumsaR wrote:
Not to mention that he's got one of the better fruits for defensive purposes. Touch them and they won't bother him for a while. He could technically also push people UP, which means they'll probably get hurt from the inevitable fall.


Couldnt he just techincally push them into space and they die? lol, the sea isnt all that is limited imo
I may not be the best, but i will be some day...
terranghost
Profile Joined May 2010
United States980 Posts
February 21 2014 20:07 GMT
#13696
On February 22 2014 04:05 SheaR619 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 18:07 sumsaR wrote:
Not to mention that he's got one of the better fruits for defensive purposes. Touch them and they won't bother him for a while. He could technically also push people UP, which means they'll probably get hurt from the inevitable fall.


Couldnt he just techincally push them into space and they die? lol, the sea isnt all that is limited imo


I think One Piece space has oxygen so that would necessarily be bad.
"It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it." - Thomas Sowell
sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
February 21 2014 20:21 GMT
#13697
On February 22 2014 05:07 terranghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2014 04:05 SheaR619 wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:07 sumsaR wrote:
Not to mention that he's got one of the better fruits for defensive purposes. Touch them and they won't bother him for a while. He could technically also push people UP, which means they'll probably get hurt from the inevitable fall.


Couldnt he just techincally push them into space and they die? lol, the sea isnt all that is limited imo


I think One Piece space has oxygen so that would necessarily be bad.

It doesn't let you get back, though. And if you somehow don't travel far enough to escape the gravity of the planet, you'll burn up upon re-entry.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
February 21 2014 20:42 GMT
#13698
I think Haki beats Kuma's DF.
maru lover forever
sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
February 21 2014 21:04 GMT
#13699
On February 22 2014 05:42 Incognoto wrote:
I think Haki beats Kuma's DF.

Please elaborate.
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
February 22 2014 00:13 GMT
#13700
On February 22 2014 06:04 sumsaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2014 05:42 Incognoto wrote:
I think Haki beats Kuma's DF.

Please elaborate.


The obvious guess would be if haki turned out to mitigate, or even completely prevent, Kuma's DF.
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