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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
February 20 2014 22:19 GMT
#13661
There is no rule that princesses can't be pirates, but if someone like Vivi didn't join the crew because she was a princess, that makes the probability for other princesses (who have less development/attachment to the Strawhats) to join much much lower.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
February 20 2014 22:40 GMT
#13662
On February 21 2014 07:01 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 17:06 Incognoto wrote:
That guy isn't a giant, he's just a big guy.

He's a swordsman vice admiral.

No, Vice Admiral Bastille is a Giant. Check the source if you don't believe me.


One Piece wikia is not always a reliable source because people can put whatever they want in there. Unless you have the chapter in the manga where he is standing along with the other giants and Marineford this is not enough information to go by.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 02:32:27
February 20 2014 22:51 GMT
#13663
On February 21 2014 07:40 GettingIt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 07:01 Sentenal wrote:
On February 20 2014 17:06 Incognoto wrote:
That guy isn't a giant, he's just a big guy.

He's a swordsman vice admiral.

No, Vice Admiral Bastille is a Giant. Check the source if you don't believe me.


One Piece wikia is not always a reliable source because people can put whatever they want in there. Unless you have the chapter in the manga where he is standing along with the other giants and Marineford this is not enough information to go by.

Heres your source since you decided not to check it:
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Hes a Giant.

And the Databooks are by Oda, FYI.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
February 20 2014 22:55 GMT
#13664
Whoever gets the Mera Mera No Mi won't join the strawhats. I believe in the DF number theory.
Hito Hito -> 1;10 1;10
Yomi Yomi -> 4;3 4;3
Gomu Gomu -> 5;6 5;6
Hana Hana -> 8;7 8;7
If Kuma with his Nikyu Nikyu(2;9 2;9) No Mi would join, they would have all basic numbers covered.

There is also the theory that Luffy's gum gum fruit counters the quake fruit Blackbeard stole from Whitebeard, while the paw paw(Nikyu Nikyu) fruit's ability to push anything away would counter the darkness fruit's ability to suck everything in.


I don't know about a new crewmember though. Aside from Robin all members of the strawhats took a position Luffy demanded or acknowledged. Even Zoro is the designated swordsman of the crew. Robin is the exception in that she just got on board with the explanation "I have nowhere else to go"
Her being an archaeologist was secondary at that point.
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
February 20 2014 22:57 GMT
#13665
Robin's existence in the crew sets the precedent that there doesn't need to be a role to be filled in order to join.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
February 20 2014 23:04 GMT
#13666
What is with this DF thing?
Never Knows Best.
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
February 20 2014 23:36 GMT
#13667
The DF number theory is based on the Japanese pronunciations of certain numbers. For instance "six" in Japanese is pronounced "roku" on its own, but also has a kun reading of "mu" in cases like "muttsu" (six of something). "Five" similarly has a kun reading of "itsu" or "itsutsu", but an on reading of "go". So when you put them together (5;6 5;6) you can read it as gomu gomu. It's a bit of a stretch, but some people think that the fruits of the Strawhats might be arranged to cover all of the first ten numbers in their names like that.
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
February 20 2014 23:47 GMT
#13668
On February 21 2014 08:36 EchOne wrote:
The DF number theory is based on the Japanese pronunciations of certain numbers. For instance "six" in Japanese is pronounced "roku" on its own, but also has a kun reading of "mu" in cases like "muttsu" (six of something). "Five" similarly has a kun reading of "itsu" or "itsutsu", but an on reading of "go". So when you put them together (5;6 5;6) you can read it as gomu gomu. It's a bit of a stretch, but some people think that the fruits of the Strawhats might be arranged to cover all of the first ten numbers in their names like that.

The number thing in and of itself isn't that convincing, its more of Oda's reaction in the SBS to the question that lends the theory credence. He gave an exaggerated "NO COMMENT" answer when asked about it.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
February 21 2014 00:26 GMT
#13669
It would be pretty weird if Kuma joined the crew imo. Maybe since Kuma "lost himself" his fruit will be available somewhere and someone will eat it? Or,and this is a stretch, Kuma is reincarnated into a New World child and the joins the Straw Hats. Or maybe Luffy does the same thing BB did and gets to be able to use two fruits too and take it from PX-1 aka Kuma.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
February 21 2014 00:28 GMT
#13670
I don't remember much about the theory, but IIRC it was something about Luffy getting Kuma's fruit so he would be able to counter Blackbeard.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
February 21 2014 00:39 GMT
#13671
On February 21 2014 09:28 Sentenal wrote:
I don't remember much about the theory, but IIRC it was something about Luffy getting Kuma's fruit so he would be able to counter Blackbeard.


I kinda like the thought of that. It would give Luffy a power boost without just increasing his base stats to super sayjin levels. But the question is how...
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
February 21 2014 01:18 GMT
#13672
I think the chances of the pandaman joining SH is higher than Kuma joining them.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Kirsed
Profile Joined May 2013
9380 Posts
February 21 2014 01:53 GMT
#13673
I can see kuma going back to the revolutionaries at some point in the story but I don't see him becoming a straw hat. It makes sense for him to get his life back to me since Vegapunk let me have his last command of protecting the Sunny. It also makes sense to me if Vegapunk isn't 100% with the World Government since in my mind he would have to know what Kumas last wish was when he granted it.
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 03:40:47
February 21 2014 03:38 GMT
#13674
It's more likely that Kuma stops living enough for the paw paw fruit to reappear somewhere in the world. And then the Straw Hats find it.

Kuma was a deus ex machina more than anything else. Before and after the timeskip a few things can be abbreviated to "Kuma did it because he felt like it"
He can be a tragic character with a touching story, but his established powers and abilities are just way too high to appear more than those few times. Him joining any crew in his last known form would be ridiculous.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
terranghost
Profile Joined May 2010
United States980 Posts
February 21 2014 04:42 GMT
#13675
On February 20 2014 22:06 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 12:47 ElizarTringov wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:22 ReketSomething wrote:
I just hope that oda/people stop focusing on haki because it made combat a lot more linear and boring. Lots of characters are now "the same" and it turned into a "who can use haki better" battle instead of a battle of cool abilities and powers.


Really? Exactly the opposite happened when Luffy was using haki when he lost to Caesar Clown due to Caesars ability to manipulate air thus suffocating Luffy. Exactly the opposite happened on Punk Hazard where Vergo was COMPELTELY covered in Haki from head to toe and he got sliced to pieces. Exactly the opposite happened when Doflamingo fought Law, Doflamingo didnt use Haki, he was just faster. Law didn't even get a chance to use his room ability in a fight because Dofla was one step ahead of him, and in the final winning straw did he cut him with with his Haki infused string ability? Did he beat him down with haki infused kicks or punches? No, he just shot him a bunch of times with a gun. When the admiral was fighting he sent down an asteroid not with haki, but with his special ability, did Law just stop it with his Haki? No he used his DF ability. I don't know what manga you are reading but it isn't One Piece.

Yeah i could still remember BB going toe to toe vs Sengoku just because of stolen DF and his Yami-Yami.

Even though sengoku was obviously like 10 times more skilled than BB.

And also i remember some cases that not all haki goes through devil fruit users. Especially those who could also use Haki. Like for example during the marineford war didn't Jozu(i forgot the name but one of whitebeards commanders that has the diamond haki) block Mihawks attack(remember that zoro could cut someone using haki even with his range attacks not just close contact attack so it's not impossible that mihawk can also use the same thing) and Mihawk is supposedly the most powerful swordman in the world so you know he not weak.

More examples would be Akainu taking haki attacks from Marco and calling it annoying. Also the case where aokiji took a haki attack from whitebeard crew and was not scratched by it. Although he was harmed by Jozu when jozu attacked him and he took the attack by surprise(Although this could also be arguable since haki vs haki is possible and maybe in cases of akainu and aokiji they are just mixing haki on defending).

Another example would be the snow woman(Caesars assistant) vs Tashigi where if zoro never helped and allowed Tashigi to attack the snow woman(Caesars assistant) by surprise Tashigi was basically losing one-sidedly, And the snow women did not even have haki just pure blunt fighting skills + abuse of DF.


I recently rewatched the marineford arc and I was think about this part in particular.

He is the most powerful "swordsman". Not the most powerful fighter.
For example kizaru was shown using a sword made out of light. I would argue that kizaru could beat mihawk but if kizaru limited hiself to only swordsplay that mihawk would win.
"It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it." - Thomas Sowell
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1087 Posts
February 21 2014 05:11 GMT
#13676
On February 21 2014 13:42 terranghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 22:06 goody153 wrote:
On February 20 2014 12:47 ElizarTringov wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:22 ReketSomething wrote:
I just hope that oda/people stop focusing on haki because it made combat a lot more linear and boring. Lots of characters are now "the same" and it turned into a "who can use haki better" battle instead of a battle of cool abilities and powers.


Really? Exactly the opposite happened when Luffy was using haki when he lost to Caesar Clown due to Caesars ability to manipulate air thus suffocating Luffy. Exactly the opposite happened on Punk Hazard where Vergo was COMPELTELY covered in Haki from head to toe and he got sliced to pieces. Exactly the opposite happened when Doflamingo fought Law, Doflamingo didnt use Haki, he was just faster. Law didn't even get a chance to use his room ability in a fight because Dofla was one step ahead of him, and in the final winning straw did he cut him with with his Haki infused string ability? Did he beat him down with haki infused kicks or punches? No, he just shot him a bunch of times with a gun. When the admiral was fighting he sent down an asteroid not with haki, but with his special ability, did Law just stop it with his Haki? No he used his DF ability. I don't know what manga you are reading but it isn't One Piece.

Yeah i could still remember BB going toe to toe vs Sengoku just because of stolen DF and his Yami-Yami.

Even though sengoku was obviously like 10 times more skilled than BB.

And also i remember some cases that not all haki goes through devil fruit users. Especially those who could also use Haki. Like for example during the marineford war didn't Jozu(i forgot the name but one of whitebeards commanders that has the diamond haki) block Mihawks attack(remember that zoro could cut someone using haki even with his range attacks not just close contact attack so it's not impossible that mihawk can also use the same thing) and Mihawk is supposedly the most powerful swordman in the world so you know he not weak.

More examples would be Akainu taking haki attacks from Marco and calling it annoying. Also the case where aokiji took a haki attack from whitebeard crew and was not scratched by it. Although he was harmed by Jozu when jozu attacked him and he took the attack by surprise(Although this could also be arguable since haki vs haki is possible and maybe in cases of akainu and aokiji they are just mixing haki on defending).

Another example would be the snow woman(Caesars assistant) vs Tashigi where if zoro never helped and allowed Tashigi to attack the snow woman(Caesars assistant) by surprise Tashigi was basically losing one-sidedly, And the snow women did not even have haki just pure blunt fighting skills + abuse of DF.


I recently rewatched the marineford arc and I was think about this part in particular.

He is the most powerful "swordsman". Not the most powerful fighter.
For example kizaru was shown using a sword made out of light. I would argue that kizaru could beat mihawk but if kizaru limited hiself to only swordsplay that mihawk would win.

That's one of those unanswerable arguments at this time. We've never seen Mihawk go all-out or even close to it. We're told he's the best "swordsman", but not the most powerful thing, which is Kaido. So where does that put Mihawk in comparison to someone like Kizaru or Rayleigh? They both use swords, but Rayleigh has great Haki and Kizaru has a great DF power along with some haki. So nobody really knows just how good Mihawk really is, except Oda, and it looks like he's going to take his sweet time before he gives us some more real clues.
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Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
February 21 2014 05:31 GMT
#13677
Mihawk is maybe as good as a yonkou or maybe better or maybe worse. We don't have much to work with.
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
February 21 2014 05:46 GMT
#13678
Mihawk and Shanks dueled and Mihawk was the victor (since he's still the best swordsman). Shanks is now a Yonko.

What does that make Mihawk? Mihawk could be this strong as fuck guy who just doesn't fight if he's not interested. I guess.


I guess I was also wrong about Bastille but then again he's damn short so it's an understandable mistake right?
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
February 21 2014 06:01 GMT
#13679
On February 21 2014 14:46 Incognoto wrote:
Mihawk and Shanks dueled and Mihawk was the victor (since he's still the best swordsman). Shanks is now a Yonko.

What does that make Mihawk? Mihawk could be this strong as fuck guy who just doesn't fight if he's not interested. I guess.


I guess I was also wrong about Bastille but then again he's damn short so it's an understandable mistake right?


Are you saying that Mihawk beat Shanks because he has the title of the best swordsman? Being the best swordsman doesn't imply that you've never tied or been defeated by anyone else. Being the best swordsman probably isn't some sort of king-of-the-hill tournament.
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
February 21 2014 07:20 GMT
#13680
On February 21 2014 13:42 terranghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 22:06 goody153 wrote:
On February 20 2014 12:47 ElizarTringov wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:22 ReketSomething wrote:
I just hope that oda/people stop focusing on haki because it made combat a lot more linear and boring. Lots of characters are now "the same" and it turned into a "who can use haki better" battle instead of a battle of cool abilities and powers.


Really? Exactly the opposite happened when Luffy was using haki when he lost to Caesar Clown due to Caesars ability to manipulate air thus suffocating Luffy. Exactly the opposite happened on Punk Hazard where Vergo was COMPELTELY covered in Haki from head to toe and he got sliced to pieces. Exactly the opposite happened when Doflamingo fought Law, Doflamingo didnt use Haki, he was just faster. Law didn't even get a chance to use his room ability in a fight because Dofla was one step ahead of him, and in the final winning straw did he cut him with with his Haki infused string ability? Did he beat him down with haki infused kicks or punches? No, he just shot him a bunch of times with a gun. When the admiral was fighting he sent down an asteroid not with haki, but with his special ability, did Law just stop it with his Haki? No he used his DF ability. I don't know what manga you are reading but it isn't One Piece.

Yeah i could still remember BB going toe to toe vs Sengoku just because of stolen DF and his Yami-Yami.

Even though sengoku was obviously like 10 times more skilled than BB.

And also i remember some cases that not all haki goes through devil fruit users. Especially those who could also use Haki. Like for example during the marineford war didn't Jozu(i forgot the name but one of whitebeards commanders that has the diamond haki) block Mihawks attack(remember that zoro could cut someone using haki even with his range attacks not just close contact attack so it's not impossible that mihawk can also use the same thing) and Mihawk is supposedly the most powerful swordman in the world so you know he not weak.

More examples would be Akainu taking haki attacks from Marco and calling it annoying. Also the case where aokiji took a haki attack from whitebeard crew and was not scratched by it. Although he was harmed by Jozu when jozu attacked him and he took the attack by surprise(Although this could also be arguable since haki vs haki is possible and maybe in cases of akainu and aokiji they are just mixing haki on defending).

Another example would be the snow woman(Caesars assistant) vs Tashigi where if zoro never helped and allowed Tashigi to attack the snow woman(Caesars assistant) by surprise Tashigi was basically losing one-sidedly, And the snow women did not even have haki just pure blunt fighting skills + abuse of DF.


I recently rewatched the marineford arc and I was think about this part in particular.

He is the most powerful "swordsman". Not the most powerful fighter.
For example kizaru was shown using a sword made out of light. I would argue that kizaru could beat mihawk but if kizaru limited hiself to only swordsplay that mihawk would win.


argue with me. Mihawk who dueled with shanks with 2 arms during those days. Their duels can be heard all throughout grandline and would end in tie. Mihawk avoids shanks now ,sayign that shanks only has one arm and it wouldn't be a fair duel. Shanks is YONKO. hmmmm would kizaru really beat mihawk who would be zoro's final boss
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