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Hey guys, please don't use WB arc as evidence for power levels for most characters.
I remember reading people arguing about how Doflamingo, Akainu and Mihawk are all weaklings because Crocodile could exchange a single blow with them. Also Luffy blocked a punch from Sengoku. Obviously I now put Sengoku as weaker than a vice admiral, because Dalmation did more damage.
I definitely concede that Mihawk was pretty disappointing in that arc. But come on, by the same token people were like "Well this proves Doflamingo doesn't have haki, since Crocodile lived."
It sort of also always feels like Mihawk is just testing his opponents. Mihawk vs Zoro for example. Yes he "brought out his big sword", but it's pretty obvious he could have done way more damage than that in East Blue. Pretty sure he should have wrecked a tired Luffy too, unless you're saying that was his level? 300mil Luffy? Zoro wouldn't bow to that shit.
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lol, rather than thinking Doflamingo, Akanu, and Mihawk are "weak" because Crocodile could exchange blows with them, I took that as Crocodile actually being fairly strong for being able to do so.
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On February 23 2014 14:49 Sentenal wrote:
lol, rather than thinking Doflamingo, Akanu, and Mihawk are "weak" because Crocodile could exchange blows with them, I took that as Crocodile actually being fairly strong for being able to do so.
That's the spirit ! actually putting puns aside i agree with this.
Doflamingo is certainly strong even in the new arc showing that he was not scared of the blind admiral. Akainu going blow for blow vs whitebeard is not a feat that some could just copy. And mihawk being able go on par with Shanks is also not an easy feat.
So crocodile becoming a shichibukai is a big deal. Although luffy beat the crap out of 2 shichibukai and buggy became a shichibukai so what do i know(still it's 2 years after and buggy could be more powerful than before or maybe i am wrong and he just became a shichibukai due to influence he had over mass amount of pirates). Still just being a shichibukai for a long time is not an easy feat.
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Mohawk and Doflamingo were two of the few characters at Marineford that didn't get injured.
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On February 23 2014 15:00 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 14:49 Sentenal wrote:
lol, rather than thinking Doflamingo, Akanu, and Mihawk are "weak" because Crocodile could exchange blows with them, I took that as Crocodile actually being fairly strong for being able to do so. That's the spirit ! actually putting puns aside i agree with this. Doflamingo is certainly strong even in the new arc showing that he was not scared of the blind admiral. Akainu going blow for blow vs whitebeard is not a feat that some could just copy. And mihawk being able go on par with Shanks is also not an easy feat. So crocodile becoming a shichibukai is a big deal. Although luffy beat the crap out of 2 shichibukai and buggy became a shichibukai so what do i know(still it's 2 years after and buggy could be more powerful than before or maybe i am wrong and he just became a shichibukai due to influence he had over mass amount of pirates). Still just being a shichibukai for a long time is not an easy feat.
really though he killed luffy twice, and the last fight would ahve been a draw if Robin didnt ahve the antidote handy
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Mihawk went to Marineford just to abide by the requirements of the Shibukai title, so much so did the rest of them.
I recall that the instruction were to stop people from getting through. No mention was made of requiring them to kill anyone that got through or just flat out defeating pirates in general.
This applied to Boa Hancock as well in terms of the mindset.
Just stop anyone they can, but not kill/maim them. Hence why we never really saw any of the Shibukai's full potential in the Marineford war Arc.
But since we are here disussing the Shibukai, any ideas why Mihawk took on the title to begin with? Does it have to do with protecting his island like Hancock? This wasn't made clear yet right (unlike in the case of the others)?
We knew why Crocodile, Jinbei, Hancock, Moria, Kuma, Law, BB and even go as far as assume the motivations behind why Joker and Buggy accepted it. But why did Mihawk? He has no crew to speak off to protect or grant amnesty to right?
The Shibukai tend to have their agenda prior to accepting the title, but what was Mihawks?
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On February 23 2014 15:15 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Mihawk went to Marineford just to abide by the requirements of the Shibukai title, so much so did the rest of them.
I recall that the instruction were to stop people from getting through. No mention was made of requiring them to kill anyone that got through or just flat out defeating pirates in general.
This applied to Boa Hancock as well in terms of the mindset.
Just stop anyone they can, but not kill/maim them. Hence why we never really saw any of the Shibukai's full potential in the Marineford war Arc.
But since we are here disussing the Shibukai, any ideas why Mihawk took on the title to begin with? Does it have to do with protecting his island like Hancock? This wasn't made clear yet right (unlike in the case of the others)?
We knew why Crocodile, Jinbei, Hancock, Moria, Kuma, Law, BB and even go as far as assume the motivations behind why Joker and Buggy accepted it. But why did Mihawk? He has no crew to speak off to protect or grant amnesty to right?
The Shibukai tend to have their agenda prior to accepting the title, but what was Mihawks?
personally i think he jsut took it for peace and quiet being able to go anywhere without being hassled by the marines whereve he went
the island he lives on is an uninhabited dead island so i doubt anyone else wants it, and if hes using his title as a shield why isnt he spending time with that person?
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Hell Handcock clearly didn't give a fuck during the war. She did more damage to the marines then the pirates since she just aoe arrow stoned whoever was in range then destroyed a few pacifistas and helped Luffy escape while kicking smoker.
The only thing I wonder about Mihawk is his "test" when he sent a slash flying at WB but it got deflected by one of his crew. With that and failing to kill Luffy while dueling another WB pirate to a relative stand still he really didn't have an impressive war. Again the main thing is motivation and effort which no one knows how much he put into it.
His duels with Shanks I really don't see any relevance there. They were SOOO long ago who knows how Shanks was then compared to now? Plus you have to remember that the last time you saw him fight was pre-time skip so he could easily be presented as being more impressive when he comes back again. Everyone's fighting potential is actively fluctuating and 2 years is a long time.
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On February 23 2014 15:23 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 15:15 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Mihawk went to Marineford just to abide by the requirements of the Shibukai title, so much so did the rest of them.
I recall that the instruction were to stop people from getting through. No mention was made of requiring them to kill anyone that got through or just flat out defeating pirates in general.
This applied to Boa Hancock as well in terms of the mindset.
Just stop anyone they can, but not kill/maim them. Hence why we never really saw any of the Shibukai's full potential in the Marineford war Arc.
But since we are here disussing the Shibukai, any ideas why Mihawk took on the title to begin with? Does it have to do with protecting his island like Hancock? This wasn't made clear yet right (unlike in the case of the others)?
We knew why Crocodile, Jinbei, Hancock, Moria, Kuma, Law, BB and even go as far as assume the motivations behind why Joker and Buggy accepted it. But why did Mihawk? He has no crew to speak off to protect or grant amnesty to right?
The Shibukai tend to have their agenda prior to accepting the title, but what was Mihawks? personally i think he jsut took it for peace and quiet being able to go anywhere without being hassled by the marines whereve he went the island he lives on is an uninhabited dead island so i doubt anyone else wants it, and if hes using his title as a shield why isnt he spending time with that person?
I agree with this. Having the shichibukai title is awesome .. I mean the only way to survive the new world as a pirate was either to swear loyalty on a yonkou or if you are strong enough then challenge the yonkou or just become a shichibukai. The rest becomes fodders in the new world.
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On February 23 2014 16:21 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 15:23 Forikorder wrote:On February 23 2014 15:15 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Mihawk went to Marineford just to abide by the requirements of the Shibukai title, so much so did the rest of them.
I recall that the instruction were to stop people from getting through. No mention was made of requiring them to kill anyone that got through or just flat out defeating pirates in general.
This applied to Boa Hancock as well in terms of the mindset.
Just stop anyone they can, but not kill/maim them. Hence why we never really saw any of the Shibukai's full potential in the Marineford war Arc.
But since we are here disussing the Shibukai, any ideas why Mihawk took on the title to begin with? Does it have to do with protecting his island like Hancock? This wasn't made clear yet right (unlike in the case of the others)?
We knew why Crocodile, Jinbei, Hancock, Moria, Kuma, Law, BB and even go as far as assume the motivations behind why Joker and Buggy accepted it. But why did Mihawk? He has no crew to speak off to protect or grant amnesty to right?
The Shibukai tend to have their agenda prior to accepting the title, but what was Mihawks? personally i think he jsut took it for peace and quiet being able to go anywhere without being hassled by the marines whereve he went the island he lives on is an uninhabited dead island so i doubt anyone else wants it, and if hes using his title as a shield why isnt he spending time with that person? I agree with this. Having the shichibukai title is awesome .. I mean the only way to survive the new world as a pirate was either to swear loyalty on a yonkou or if you are strong enough then challenge the yonkou or just become a shichibukai. The rest becomes fodders in the new world.
I don't see Whitebeard's allies as fodder, though then again they are indeed allied to a yonko.
Anime is doing a splendid job rendering the manga. Really like it. Though Bartolomeo looks like a damn parrot with all his damn colors, lol.
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On February 23 2014 16:42 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 16:21 goody153 wrote:On February 23 2014 15:23 Forikorder wrote:On February 23 2014 15:15 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Mihawk went to Marineford just to abide by the requirements of the Shibukai title, so much so did the rest of them.
I recall that the instruction were to stop people from getting through. No mention was made of requiring them to kill anyone that got through or just flat out defeating pirates in general.
This applied to Boa Hancock as well in terms of the mindset.
Just stop anyone they can, but not kill/maim them. Hence why we never really saw any of the Shibukai's full potential in the Marineford war Arc.
But since we are here disussing the Shibukai, any ideas why Mihawk took on the title to begin with? Does it have to do with protecting his island like Hancock? This wasn't made clear yet right (unlike in the case of the others)?
We knew why Crocodile, Jinbei, Hancock, Moria, Kuma, Law, BB and even go as far as assume the motivations behind why Joker and Buggy accepted it. But why did Mihawk? He has no crew to speak off to protect or grant amnesty to right?
The Shibukai tend to have their agenda prior to accepting the title, but what was Mihawks? personally i think he jsut took it for peace and quiet being able to go anywhere without being hassled by the marines whereve he went the island he lives on is an uninhabited dead island so i doubt anyone else wants it, and if hes using his title as a shield why isnt he spending time with that person? I agree with this. Having the shichibukai title is awesome .. I mean the only way to survive the new world as a pirate was either to swear loyalty on a yonkou or if you are strong enough then challenge the yonkou or just become a shichibukai. The rest becomes fodders in the new world. I don't see Whitebeard's allies as fodder, though then again they are indeed allied to a yonko. Anime is doing a splendid job rendering the manga. Really like it. Though Bartolomeo looks like a damn parrot with all his damn colors, lol.
Wait a minute ? so the anime is already on the Dressrosa part ? that's too fast
was rebecca already shown?
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On February 24 2014 00:57 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 16:42 Incognoto wrote:On February 23 2014 16:21 goody153 wrote:On February 23 2014 15:23 Forikorder wrote:On February 23 2014 15:15 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Mihawk went to Marineford just to abide by the requirements of the Shibukai title, so much so did the rest of them.
I recall that the instruction were to stop people from getting through. No mention was made of requiring them to kill anyone that got through or just flat out defeating pirates in general.
This applied to Boa Hancock as well in terms of the mindset.
Just stop anyone they can, but not kill/maim them. Hence why we never really saw any of the Shibukai's full potential in the Marineford war Arc.
But since we are here disussing the Shibukai, any ideas why Mihawk took on the title to begin with? Does it have to do with protecting his island like Hancock? This wasn't made clear yet right (unlike in the case of the others)?
We knew why Crocodile, Jinbei, Hancock, Moria, Kuma, Law, BB and even go as far as assume the motivations behind why Joker and Buggy accepted it. But why did Mihawk? He has no crew to speak off to protect or grant amnesty to right?
The Shibukai tend to have their agenda prior to accepting the title, but what was Mihawks? personally i think he jsut took it for peace and quiet being able to go anywhere without being hassled by the marines whereve he went the island he lives on is an uninhabited dead island so i doubt anyone else wants it, and if hes using his title as a shield why isnt he spending time with that person? I agree with this. Having the shichibukai title is awesome .. I mean the only way to survive the new world as a pirate was either to swear loyalty on a yonkou or if you are strong enough then challenge the yonkou or just become a shichibukai. The rest becomes fodders in the new world. I don't see Whitebeard's allies as fodder, though then again they are indeed allied to a yonko. Anime is doing a splendid job rendering the manga. Really like it. Though Bartolomeo looks like a damn parrot with all his damn colors, lol. Wait a minute ? so the anime is already on the Dressrosa part ? that's too fast was rebecca already shown?
Yes, just last episode.
Pacing seems same as before. When I first watched anime, it ended at the start of Punk Hazard. Upon learning there was a manga, I couldn't resist reading up to the point where the manga had stopped. I believe it stopped... sometime after Luffy, Franky, Robin, Smoker and Tashigi get captured.
So the manga has about 1/3-1/2 an arc on the anime.
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You saw her a tiny bit. Next episode I think she will come out.
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On February 24 2014 01:33 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2014 00:57 goody153 wrote:On February 23 2014 16:42 Incognoto wrote:On February 23 2014 16:21 goody153 wrote:On February 23 2014 15:23 Forikorder wrote:On February 23 2014 15:15 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Mihawk went to Marineford just to abide by the requirements of the Shibukai title, so much so did the rest of them.
I recall that the instruction were to stop people from getting through. No mention was made of requiring them to kill anyone that got through or just flat out defeating pirates in general.
This applied to Boa Hancock as well in terms of the mindset.
Just stop anyone they can, but not kill/maim them. Hence why we never really saw any of the Shibukai's full potential in the Marineford war Arc.
But since we are here disussing the Shibukai, any ideas why Mihawk took on the title to begin with? Does it have to do with protecting his island like Hancock? This wasn't made clear yet right (unlike in the case of the others)?
We knew why Crocodile, Jinbei, Hancock, Moria, Kuma, Law, BB and even go as far as assume the motivations behind why Joker and Buggy accepted it. But why did Mihawk? He has no crew to speak off to protect or grant amnesty to right?
The Shibukai tend to have their agenda prior to accepting the title, but what was Mihawks? personally i think he jsut took it for peace and quiet being able to go anywhere without being hassled by the marines whereve he went the island he lives on is an uninhabited dead island so i doubt anyone else wants it, and if hes using his title as a shield why isnt he spending time with that person? I agree with this. Having the shichibukai title is awesome .. I mean the only way to survive the new world as a pirate was either to swear loyalty on a yonkou or if you are strong enough then challenge the yonkou or just become a shichibukai. The rest becomes fodders in the new world. I don't see Whitebeard's allies as fodder, though then again they are indeed allied to a yonko. Anime is doing a splendid job rendering the manga. Really like it. Though Bartolomeo looks like a damn parrot with all his damn colors, lol. Wait a minute ? so the anime is already on the Dressrosa part ? that's too fast was rebecca already shown? Yes, just last episode. Pacing seems same as before. When I first watched anime, it ended at the start of Punk Hazard. Upon learning there was a manga, I couldn't resist reading up to the point where the manga had stopped. I believe it stopped... sometime after Luffy, Franky, Robin, Smoker and Tashigi get captured. So the manga has about 1/3-1/2 an arc on the anime.
maybe i will try to catch up with the manga now since its almost the most recent part.. although Doflamingo Arc is so long so i guess we are their yet.
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On February 24 2014 01:43 Slaughter wrote:
You saw her a tiny bit. Next episode I think she will come out.
aw  i wanna have a glimpse of the new nakama .. just kidding it's not yet official i don't wanna fight with you guys .. peace please ^_^
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Any shippers of Tashigi and Zoro here ?
i mean i know one of the strengths of one piece is the lack of romance and one piece is about pride and being tough as a nut
but i feel like that Zoro is the only with a recurring character from the very beginning that shown casually by Oda every now and then. I feel like Oda is showing Tashigi with Zoro often so that he make them a cannon couple later.
When i mean later i mean maybe another 10 years of manga updates. :D
What do you guys think ?
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On February 24 2014 01:43 Slaughter wrote:
You saw her a tiny bit. Next episode I think she will come out.
She had an entire conversation with Luffy. Or, I guess that's what you would count as a "little bit"? Sure, why not? ^^ I'm having fun with the anime.
+1 to Zoro/tashigi. I'm not sure how things will work out between them, but they definitely have an interesting and funny relationship. It's entertaining to watch and we're all (well, I am anyway) that a little romance might brew. One Piece isn't about romance (disregarding Luffy's relationship towards armor), though a little bit wouldn't hurt at all.
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On February 24 2014 02:00 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2014 01:43 Slaughter wrote:
You saw her a tiny bit. Next episode I think she will come out. She had an entire conversation with Luffy. Or, I guess that's what you would count as a "little bit"? Sure, why not? ^^ I'm having fun with the anime. +1 to Zoro/tashigi. I'm not sure how things will work out between them, but they definitely have an interesting and funny relationship. It's entertaining to watch and we're all (well, I am anyway) that a little romance might brew. One Piece isn't about romance (disregarding Luffy's relationship towards armor), though a little bit wouldn't hurt at all.
Great to know i am not alone in this ^_^ .
And my thoughts exactly and it should be fine if the character with romance if it was Zoro not to mention Oda made their interactions really cute together. His motivation of why he wanted to be the strongest swordsman is basically because of a girl(Kuina) although i don't blame him since that is the normal reason why a straight man would go out of his comfort zone :D. Although it would be maddeningly lame if it was luffy or Sanji who Oda developed a romance.
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I don't like Trebol's voice actor though. It pains me to listen to him.
On February 23 2014 15:13 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 15:00 goody153 wrote:On February 23 2014 14:49 Sentenal wrote:
lol, rather than thinking Doflamingo, Akanu, and Mihawk are "weak" because Crocodile could exchange blows with them, I took that as Crocodile actually being fairly strong for being able to do so. That's the spirit ! actually putting puns aside i agree with this. Doflamingo is certainly strong even in the new arc showing that he was not scared of the blind admiral. Akainu going blow for blow vs whitebeard is not a feat that some could just copy. And mihawk being able go on par with Shanks is also not an easy feat. So crocodile becoming a shichibukai is a big deal. Although luffy beat the crap out of 2 shichibukai and buggy became a shichibukai so what do i know(still it's 2 years after and buggy could be more powerful than before or maybe i am wrong and he just became a shichibukai due to influence he had over mass amount of pirates). Still just being a shichibukai for a long time is not an easy feat. really though he killed luffy twice, and the last fight would ahve been a draw if Robin didnt ahve the antidote handy
I think, looking back at the fight between crocodile and luffy I see him as strong enough to challenge geared luffy fairly closely (not quite sure about pretimeskip luffy though)
If you change 2 thinks about the fight
1.) Luffy has enough basic haki skills to hit crocodile without water.
2.) Take away crocodiles arrogance and have fight full force right away.
Crocodile is very arrogant becuase someone with Haki that early in the grandline is not commonplace.
Since luffy required water to hit crocodile this had two effects.
a.) Crocodile takes damage
b.) He moves slower Mud flows less effectively than sand does.
Crocodile I think is underrated by so many people simply cuz luffy beat him early. but if you change those two thinks I think the battle would of been entirely different and much closer even if Luffy had gear 2/3 at that point
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On February 24 2014 02:00 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2014 01:43 Slaughter wrote:
You saw her a tiny bit. Next episode I think she will come out. She had an entire conversation with Luffy. Or, I guess that's what you would count as a "little bit"? Sure, why not? ^^ I'm having fun with the anime. +1 to Zoro/tashigi. I'm not sure how things will work out between them, but they definitely have an interesting and funny relationship. It's entertaining to watch and we're all (well, I am anyway) that a little romance might brew. One Piece isn't about romance (disregarding Luffy's relationship towards armor), though a little bit wouldn't hurt at all.
She didn't have a conversation with Luffy in 633...They showed her half in shadow.
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