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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On February 20 2014 09:22 ReketSomething wrote: I just hope that oda/people stop focusing on haki because it made combat a lot more linear and boring. Lots of characters are now "the same" and it turned into a "who can use haki better" battle instead of a battle of cool abilities and powers. I agree, and it kinda makes logias like smokers moku moku no mi (increases size, no real offensive capabilities) look pretty pointless. He is so easy to hit now. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 20 2014 09:11 sc2holar wrote: I never understood the logic behind making zoro a master of Arnament Haki and give Sanji strong observation haki. Wouldnt Observation haki be more suited for a swordsman who has to predict and parry the moves of his opponant in a sword-duel? Shouldnt Sanji, who is a Martial Artist, be focused more on hardening his body as much as possible, since it essentially his only weapon? Seeing a hardcore AH using Martial Artist like Vergo really made Sanji look silly in comparison. haki is more about there personality, Zoro is an animal so hes more suited for armament while Sanji is more of a thinker so hes more suited for observation both of them can use both types though | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On February 20 2014 09:27 Forikorder wrote: haki is more about there personality, Zoro is an animal so hes more suited for armament while Sanji is more of a thinker so hes more suited for observation both of them can use both types though Good thinking Forik. It makes sense for Luffy aswell, the future Pirate King obviously has a strong will to conquer (Altough Luffy doesnt really see it that way) | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 20 2014 09:13 DarkLordOlli wrote: Pretty sure they're both gonna have to learn both types of Haki eventually, since Luffy is gonna be Pirate King and all They both already know how to use both. Its just they are specialized differently. On February 20 2014 09:04 shell wrote: Sanji needs to get haki coating to another level like vergo because he is a melee fighter but then again DD has Conqueror's Haki. Crocodile is much improved now because his loss against Luffy humbled him but i don't know if he could easily beat Vergo, Cesar Clow or Monet, much less Diamante, Pika or Trebol. So yeah DD has a much better army then Croc had. He had a guy that shot boogers !!! :D This chapter was slow but the story right now has so many things going on.. looking forward! :D I don't know how "easily" he would be able to do it, but I'm 100% sure that Crocodile would defeat anyone in the Donquixote Family, other than DD himself. At Marineford, Crocodile showed that he was able to fight on the same level as people like Mihawk and Doflamingo himself (note I'm not suggesting that he would have been able to defeat either, thats a whole different discussion), and even got away unscathed after attacking Akainu. For Baroque Works, Das Bones and Bon Clay were the only real notable fighters he had that I think would still be semi-relevant, but I don't think either of them would be a match for any of the Elites of the Donquixote Family. | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
I hope Sanji figures out he needs to be like Vergo. | ||
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On February 20 2014 09:38 shell wrote: Haki doesn't get boring for me because the level of oponents they face is very high.. you can't win against a guy made of lava if you can't hit him. They have to start winning against this type of fighters. I hope Sanji figures out he needs to be like Vergo. "Black Leg" Sanji? Hakiiiiiiiiiiii | ||
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ElizarTringov
Bulgaria317 Posts
On February 20 2014 09:22 ReketSomething wrote: I just hope that oda/people stop focusing on haki because it made combat a lot more linear and boring. Lots of characters are now "the same" and it turned into a "who can use haki better" battle instead of a battle of cool abilities and powers. Really? Exactly the opposite happened when Luffy was using haki when he lost to Caesar Clown due to Caesars ability to manipulate air thus suffocating Luffy. Exactly the opposite happened on Punk Hazard where Vergo was COMPELTELY covered in Haki from head to toe and he got sliced to pieces. Exactly the opposite happened when Doflamingo fought Law, Doflamingo didnt use Haki, he was just faster. Law didn't even get a chance to use his room ability in a fight because Dofla was one step ahead of him, and in the final winning straw did he cut him with with his Haki infused string ability? Did he beat him down with haki infused kicks or punches? No, he just shot him a bunch of times with a gun. When the admiral was fighting he sent down an asteroid not with haki, but with his special ability, did Law just stop it with his Haki? No he used his DF ability. I don't know what manga you are reading but it isn't One Piece. | ||
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
On February 20 2014 09:00 Mensol wrote: also wtf? When Forikorder says same thing its not trolling. but when i say same thing it counts as trolling? The difference being Forikorder just writes unfounded shit and assumptions veiled as facts (because he talks to Oda regularly and doesn't need to base it on anything concrete). He's, as far as we know, not actively trolling (like you are trying extremely hard to do, especially the last few months). He's Forikorder. We've just learnt to disregard most things coming out of him. You, on the other hand, should know better. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 20 2014 09:00 Mensol wrote: He already gave answer for that. also wtf? When Forikorder says same thing its not trolling. but when i say same thing it counts as trolling? So... You want to be put on the same tier as Forikorder? | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 20 2014 12:54 sumsaR wrote: The difference being Forikorder just writes unfounded shit and assumptions veiled as facts (because he talks to Oda regularly and doesn't need to base it on anything concrete). He's, as far as we know, not actively trolling (like you are trying extremely hard to do, especially the last few months). He's Forikorder. We've just learnt to disregard most things coming out of him. You, on the other hand, should know better. i do try to make it clear that my assumptions are assumptions | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On February 20 2014 08:11 sharkie wrote: yes, he is one of the countless vice admirals, what do you want to say? ^^ Not trying to say anything really. Just an observation. + Show Spoiler + On February 20 2014 13:31 Forikorder wrote: i do try to make it clear that my assumptions are assumptions lol | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 20 2014 13:40 terranghost wrote: Not trying to say anything really. Just an observation. + Show Spoiler + On February 20 2014 13:31 Forikorder wrote: i do try to make it clear that my assumptions are assumptions lol Its also worth noting that the Vice Admiral in question is a Giant. And hes going after Franky right now. A Giant is going after Franky.... Maybe Franky will bust out the giant robot to fight the Giant? Plz Oda, I don't ask for much, so plz! | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
He's a swordsman vice admiral. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On February 20 2014 20:48 BurningSera wrote: Speaking of which, did panda dude show up in any recent chapters. i think i found him in 738 http://i999.mangapanda.com/one-piece/738/one-piece-4803207.jpg bottom left | ||
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goody153
44236 Posts
On February 20 2014 12:47 ElizarTringov wrote: Really? Exactly the opposite happened when Luffy was using haki when he lost to Caesar Clown due to Caesars ability to manipulate air thus suffocating Luffy. Exactly the opposite happened on Punk Hazard where Vergo was COMPELTELY covered in Haki from head to toe and he got sliced to pieces. Exactly the opposite happened when Doflamingo fought Law, Doflamingo didnt use Haki, he was just faster. Law didn't even get a chance to use his room ability in a fight because Dofla was one step ahead of him, and in the final winning straw did he cut him with with his Haki infused string ability? Did he beat him down with haki infused kicks or punches? No, he just shot him a bunch of times with a gun. When the admiral was fighting he sent down an asteroid not with haki, but with his special ability, did Law just stop it with his Haki? No he used his DF ability. I don't know what manga you are reading but it isn't One Piece. Yeah i could still remember BB going toe to toe vs Sengoku just because of stolen DF and his Yami-Yami. Even though sengoku was obviously like 10 times more skilled than BB. And also i remember some cases that not all haki goes through devil fruit users. Especially those who could also use Haki. Like for example during the marineford war didn't Jozu(i forgot the name but one of whitebeards commanders that has the diamond haki) block Mihawks attack(remember that zoro could cut someone using haki even with his range attacks not just close contact attack so it's not impossible that mihawk can also use the same thing) and Mihawk is supposedly the most powerful swordman in the world so you know he not weak. More examples would be Akainu taking haki attacks from Marco and calling it annoying. Also the case where aokiji took a haki attack from whitebeard crew and was not scratched by it. Although he was harmed by Jozu when jozu attacked him and he took the attack by surprise(Although this could also be arguable since haki vs haki is possible and maybe in cases of akainu and aokiji they are just mixing haki on defending). Another example would be the snow woman(Caesars assistant) vs Tashigi where if zoro never helped and allowed Tashigi to attack the snow woman(Caesars assistant) by surprise Tashigi was basically losing one-sidedly, And the snow women did not even have haki just pure blunt fighting skills + abuse of DF. | ||
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goody153
44236 Posts
On February 20 2014 09:11 sc2holar wrote: I never understood the logic behind making zoro a master of Arnament Haki and give Sanji strong observation haki. Wouldnt Observation haki be more suited for a swordsman who has to predict and parry the moves of his opponant in a sword-duel? Shouldnt Sanji, who is a Martial Artist, be focused more on hardening his body as much as possible, since it essentially his only weapon? Seeing a hardcore AH using Martial Artist like Vergo really made Sanji look silly in comparison. Explaining this is ez. Zoro mastered the armament haki due to he has armaments called swords. And Sanji had the mantra/observation haki since he always observes women. But putting my unfunny pun aside. I think the reason why Sanji has mantra since he certainly has more mobility than zoro and maybe observation haki benefits him more than armament. And why zoro has arnament since he benefits more in mastering it and he is probably the the toughest front liner in the straw hat crew(except luffy). My reasons are i could imagine parring more and Sanji abusing his mobility more. Or i could be wrong and it was just a random choice by Oda. | ||
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
On February 20 2014 22:18 goody153 wrote: Explaining this is ez. Zoro mastered the armament haki due to he has armaments called swords. And Sanji had the mantra/observation haki since he always observes women. But putting my unfunny pun aside. I think the reason why Sanji has mantra since he certainly has more mobility than zoro and maybe observation haki benefits him more than armament. And why zoro has arnament since he benefits more in mastering it and he is probably the the toughest front liner in the straw hat crew(except luffy). My reasons are i could imagine parring more and Sanji abusing his mobility more. Or i could be wrong and it was just a random choice by Oda. I thought they both could use both but they were just more specialized in one over the other, meaning Zoro's armament is stronger than Sanji's and Sanji's observation is stronger than Zoro's. I mean, didn't they both sense Caribou on Fishmen Island? + Show Spoiler + fakeedit: Maybe they didn't, but to me Luffy seems to imply that they both could. Also those cheeks. http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/650/9 | ||
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goody153
44236 Posts
On February 20 2014 23:04 LaughingTulkas wrote: I thought they both could use both but they were just more specialized in one over the other, meaning Zoro's armament is stronger than Sanji's and Sanji's observation is stronger than Zoro's. I mean, didn't they both sense Caribou on Fishmen Island? + Show Spoiler + fakeedit: Maybe they didn't, but to me Luffy seems to imply that they both could. Also those cheeks. http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/650/9 Yes both can use both types of haki. And you are right that zoro is specialized in armament and sanji is with observation. Since there is no way sanji doesn't have armament. I mean fighting Doflamingo is impossible without it(even it was just a short fight). And zoro could sense danger but not as deadly as how luffy and sanji got it. Although i doubt any of them have the Conquerors Haki that luffy has. | ||
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