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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 14 2014 14:47 Faust852 wrote: Why ? They are pirate, they stay with the crew the whole time. they may be pirates but there still just kids looking at islands in the new world raftel is likely to be extremely lethal just to set foot on besides someone has to stay with the ship make sure it doesnt float away | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
On February 14 2014 15:01 Forikorder wrote: they may be pirates but there still just kids looking at islands in the new world raftel is likely to be extremely lethal just to set foot on besides someone has to stay with the ship make sure it doesnt float away Raftel for all we know is just a fake place or a piece of mind. Or it could be just a normal island that's not dangerous at all lol. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 14 2014 15:05 Zooper31 wrote: Raftel for all we know is just a fake place or a piece of mind. Or it could be just a normal island that's not dangerous at all lol. then why has noone else got to it if its not dangerous? | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On February 14 2014 15:11 Forikorder wrote: then why has noone else got to it if its not dangerous? Because the path to reach it might be close to impossible. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
On February 14 2014 15:11 Forikorder wrote: then why has noone else got to it if its not dangerous? Are you asking me why no one can get to a place that doesn't exist? Really Forikorder? | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On February 14 2014 15:46 Zooper31 wrote: Are you asking me why no one can get to a place that doesn't exist? Really Forikorder? Why are you saying Raftel doesn't exist ? Did a miss something ? | ||
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DODswe4
Sweden2157 Posts
Raftel for all we know is just a fake place or a piece of mind. Or it could be just a normal island that's not dangerous at all lol. the start of Zoopers post says that the place might not even be real, Foriks asks how come no one else have gotten there. I personally do believe Raftel is a real island, but its abit silly to ask why people haven't gotten there and quoting Zoopers post | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On February 14 2014 09:43 Mataza wrote: Actually it is a bit ambigious whether the whole crew knew or just Roger and Rayleigh. A hint that the whole crew knew was "I'd say we may all have been a little too hasty" Bigger groups tend to be less rational the bigger they are. If it was just Rayleigh and Roger debating the Void Century, I don't think he would mention hastiness as a possible error. Pure speculation though. Fact is though Roger achieved his dream and shortly after he realized that dream, he disbanded the Jolly Roger pirates. One year after that he turned himself in and got executed shortly after. I just remembered that Crocus was the ship doctor for the Jolly Rogers as well. He left Laboon alone for a year or so and finished the entire Grand Line cruise with them while treating Roger's disease. So the real question, why did Crocus leave the whale alone for a whole year? I interpreted the line "I'd say we may all have been a little too hasty", since he included the scholars from O'Hara in this assertion, to mean that everyone's expectations of the True History were in some way erroneous, and that when they actually read it, they realized that they had been too hasty in their imagining of it, and what it entailed. I'd see it possibly being, though this is pure speculation, that the mysterious kingdom was not so idyllic as we, readers especially, all imagine, and that in fact, during this war the World Government was truly justice. The actions of O'Hara, and the revolutionaries, which oppose the Government, could be seen as hasty in the light that the Government truly represented Justice. The fact that Alabasta, which is typecasted as good, was secretly allied to this mysterious kingdom, goes against this theory, unfortunately. What happened during the Void Century is probably more surprising than this though. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
On February 14 2014 15:56 Faust852 wrote: Why are you saying Raftel doesn't exist ? Did a miss something ? I was just trying to make a point that we know absolutely nothing about Raftel at all. Roger has been there, its at the end, and he basically quit being a pirate and gave himself up afterwards. Can't say 2 people haven't been there because it's too dangerous because we don't even know for sure if it's even a place at all. | ||
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shark.
593 Posts
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17Sphynx17
580 Posts
Besides, why do we need to rationalize this concept anyway with our world, yet Batman gets a pass with Boy Wonder Robin? I couldn't help not replying because my mind went "Does this even need to be an issue?" Also, right now, WG/Marines are viewed as the enemy, but what if there is a great reveal near the end that the top brass of the marine can't help but follow in fear of the safety of the world because of some threat of a superweapon under the control of the Celestial Dragons. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
I do concur though that the ancient kingdom probably wasn't a paradise either. I have a feeling that it might be some equivalent to rome/greek empires of old(whose knowledge and culture were largely forgotten during the medieval ages). Either way I am not sure that Alabasta/the Nefertiri family was secretly allied to the the ancient kingdom. How dat? | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On February 14 2014 17:01 17Sphynx17 wrote: Whether or not they brought kids along for a trip to what could be a dangerous place is quite a funny question. It is a manga. No Child Protection Agency as far as I know. Besides, why do we need to rationalize this concept anyway with our world, yet Batman gets a pass with Boy Wonder Robin? I couldn't help not replying because my mind went "Does this even need to be an issue?" Also, right now, WG/Marines are viewed as the enemy, but what if there is a great reveal near the end that the top brass of the marine can't help but follow in fear of the safety of the world because of some threat of a superweapon under the control of the Celestial Dragons. Doubt it. It's shown us several times that WG is pure evil. They erase bad crimes from history and shit. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 14 2014 15:05 Zooper31 wrote: Or it could be just a normal island that's not dangerous at all lol. i was responding to this part | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On February 15 2014 01:21 sc2holar wrote: If shanks went to raftel (and thus must know where it is) why hasnt he gone back there and claimed One Piece already? Is it out of respect for Roger (not feeling worthy of his great late captains legacy) or might it be that he is waiting for a certain "D" to come along and challange the whole world to a fight, knowing that he is not "the chosen one" himself? Probably because Shanks isn't after One Piece. I can already see Luffy/Straw Hats meeting shanks, preparing to fight. Then Shanks says he doesn't care about One Piece. Then they just party or something. | ||
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shark.
593 Posts
Maybe they don't possess the strength to complete the journey? Who knows. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 15 2014 01:53 shark. wrote: One Piece is meant to be Rogers greatest treasure. Shanks knows all that exists on Raftel so what does he gain from going there? He's the peace maine. He doesn't give 2 shits about 99% of what happens he just wants to travel and be free. Maybe they don't possess the strength to complete the journey? Who knows. Luffy only wants to go the Raftel cause it sounds like an adventure if shanks has been there then he wouldnt care about going back | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
When they got there Gol D. Roger was ill and maybe didn't have what it takes because of that, so he gave himself in so that he could start a legend to bring strong adventurers to Raftel to make it happen! That's why Whitebeard said Teach wasn't the man even tho he carries the "D."! We clearly saw that Whitebeard knew everything since Roger told him everything. That would explain why powerfull men like Shanks, Whitebeard and even the marines that can travel outside of calm belt and not be attacked by sea kings never went there or atleast didn't resolve it. For instance what would stop Aokiji from simply walk his way over there? or kizaru flying? hehe | ||
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