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On February 13 2014 14:07 GettingIt wrote: Don't forget Fire Fox Kinemon and Brook's Ice attack
the ice is his DF though
No it isn't. His DF is his bone body essentially, making him undead and the use of some soul based abilities like when he goes into a ghost form. The ice is just part of his sword attack, like Sanji and his fire kick.
im pretty sure its explained that he like puts his soul into his sword which is why he only started using it after the time skip
On February 13 2014 14:07 GettingIt wrote: Don't forget Fire Fox Kinemon and Brook's Ice attack
the ice is his DF though
No it isn't. His DF is his bone body essentially, making him undead and the use of some soul based abilities like when he goes into a ghost form. The ice is just part of his sword attack, like Sanji and his fire kick.
im pretty sure its explained that he like puts his soul into his sword which is why he only started using it after the time skip
I concur, his DF has something to do with calling forth the cold of the underworld.
Brook has also shown being able to call upon forces from the other side as seen when he channelled the "Chill of the Underworld" through his sword, in order to freeze his opponent's body with ice.
under the devil fruit section. i'm sure brook also talked about it.
On February 13 2014 16:59 Zooper31 wrote: edit: I concede ok then lol. Thought underworld would've been hot like fire ya know? Hell is always about the fire!
On February 13 2014 16:59 Zooper31 wrote: edit: I concede ok then lol. Thought underworld would've been hot like fire ya know? Hell is always about the fire!
If you're only thinking of the underworld as the Christians' "Hell", sure. But there's quite a few versions of the underworld, and I believe the majority aren't actually high on the temperature scale.
On February 13 2014 16:59 Zooper31 wrote: edit: I concede ok then lol. Thought underworld would've been hot like fire ya know? Hell is always about the fire!
You gotta read Dante's Inferno!
Why not just watch it =P Or at least a version of it on youtube under Manga Entertainment user. A bit of gore here and there but not really stomach churning in terms of what they animated.
But it would be curious to find out if his power is really based on the all the 9 circles/levels of hell. Not just limiting to ice and fire, but maybe even causing the opponent to suffer agony/anguish etc somewhat like Perona's DF (which is just limited to hlosing the will to live)
In that sense though, she and brook (if can conjour based on the circles of hell) could be a deadly combo of ending up killing you with extreme negative emotion (suffering all "hells" while losing the will to live) with just a one hit combo.
On February 10 2014 22:17 17Sphynx17 wrote: Why is there a need for discussion of good and evil when that merely pertains to each character's sense of justice?
Wasn't one of the good things about One Piece is the ambiguity of where they stood? Because those are dependent on what your belief is?
As Aokiji put it "The thing called "justice" changes its shape... Depending on where you stand"
And if you really were to just go on that train of thought in terms of the purity of good and evil, then wouldn't Whitebeard actually fall into the evil category as he sacrificed a lot of his "Children" to try and save 1 person who actually disobeyed his order which led to his capture in the first place?
I wouldn't call Blackbeard noble here, but it is simply a parallel of characters but changing a specific thing that they do that give them their unique trait.
BB and Luffy seem to be both carefree and chase their dream, however, BB crosses a line that Luffy never does. But so far, BB has basically "killed" pirates which in the OP world view are inherently evil. So he has so far done good in the general sense, yet we who see it as readers of One Piece actually see him as evil as he is portrayed that way.
OP exists on a grey zone as far I see it and not in black and white. The definition of black and white is Akainu who tries to cut a line to clearly delineate the two and he ends up even going against those in the grey zone, which is majority of the characters we know and love.
My two cents.
EDIT: Oh, I don't think Aokiji is part of the BB Crew, but if he was ever connected to the underworld, it would be as a double agent as far as I can imagine it for his character (Be it a revolutionary or simply a vigilante exacting his justice)
The World Government is definitely the (evil) final boss of One Piece.
WB to Marshall D. Teach after Roger telling him will of the D. "It's not you. The man that Roger is waiting for is not you, Teach, at any rate. Like there are people who will inherit Roger's will, some people inherit Ace's sometime in the future! Even if you break their blood bond, you'll never be able to extinguish their flame! That's how it came down unbroken throughtout the ages, and someday in the future, carrying hundreds of years of history on his shoulders, someone will fling down the gaunlet in front of the world. Sengoku!! You and the World Government afraid of the gigantic war that will embroil the whole world in one day. I have no interest in it but, when someone finds the treasure, the world will upside down, and im sure somebody will find it. And that they will come hahaha. One Piece is exists!!!!" Whitebeard.
I believe that Monkey D. Dragon know what happened in Ancient times and planning to re-create Ancient Kingdom. Most likely he learned it from Garp. Thats why he's attempting to overthrow the World Government. And maybe Garp became marine just for gaining information about Void Century.
"Someday, I promise you, they will all watch as I change the world." Monkey D. Dragon
"202 years ago, the World Government signed a treaty with the monarchy of Fishman Island, in an attempt to bridge the gap between the races, and the king of the island was permitted to attend the Reverie. The institution of slavery was also prohibited as a sign of good faith on the World Government's part."
I wouldnt be surprised if WG people are bunch of maniacs who thinks that human race is superior.
I'm pretty sure that Luffy's ideals will change as he learns more about past. OP is actually a war against World Government to establish an equal system for all races. Thats why we met with tons of races like Birka, Aumata, Fishmans and Dwarfs. I believe that Ancient Kingdom was a place where all of those races lived together in peace. When all of those people will learn how they're seperated by Poneglyph, the gigantic war which WB mentioned will start.
"If I were to tell you entire history here and now, it's not like you could do anything the way you are now"
I think Roger Pirates werent able to anything as well because:
Poneglyph was talking about a certain man who has "D." in his name. Roger Pirates realized there is nothing to do and decided to split up. Perhaps Shanks believed that certain man is Luffy and gave Straw Hat to him. Furthermore, Poneglyph was mentioning will of the D. people who loves adventure. Thats why Roger started great pirate age and believed that certain man will reach Raftel.
And thats why Government investigeting all people who posses D. in their names.
Rayleigh knows the secret of the Void Century or at least one interpretation (since he couldn't read the writings), but I doubt Shanks and Buggy know. They were both cabin boys who were constantly fighting each other. They might not have been paying attention when the truth was told or more likely they weren't told at all since knowing the secret of the void century could get them killed. Even if they did know I would only trust Shank's account of the secret, Buggy might mess up critical details.
On February 14 2014 06:40 Mataza wrote: It might blow your mind, but it is a certainty Buggy knows the truth about the void century.
Rayleigh said that they(Roger's crew) found out the truth about the void century. So Rayleigh, Shanks and Buggy are sure to know.
Was he refering to himself and Roger (being captain and first mate) or the crew as a whole?
He was refering as whole crew.
Roger Pirates were dissapeared for one year right after they found Raftel and Void Century. After that Roger Pirates split up and Roger surrended to marines.
Actually it is a bit ambigious whether the whole crew knew or just Roger and Rayleigh. A hint that the whole crew knew was "I'd say we may all have been a little too hasty" Bigger groups tend to be less rational the bigger they are. If it was just Rayleigh and Roger debating the Void Century, I don't think he would mention hastiness as a possible error. Pure speculation though.
Fact is though Roger achieved his dream and shortly after he realized that dream, he disbanded the Jolly Roger pirates. One year after that he turned himself in and got executed shortly after.
I just remembered that Crocus was the ship doctor for the Jolly Rogers as well. He left Laboon alone for a year or so and finished the entire Grand Line cruise with them while treating Roger's disease. So the real question, why did Crocus leave the whale alone for a whole year?
On February 14 2014 06:40 Mataza wrote: It might blow your mind, but it is a certainty Buggy knows the truth about the void century.
Rayleigh said that they(Roger's crew) found out the truth about the void century. So Rayleigh, Shanks and Buggy are sure to know.
i find it hard to believe 2 kids made it to Raftel if they were in his crew at that time they most likely left them somewhere safe while they did the dangerous shit
So the real question, why did Crocus leave the whale alone for a whole year?
he was looking for the rumba pirates or whatever Brooks crew was named
On February 14 2014 06:40 Mataza wrote: It might blow your mind, but it is a certainty Buggy knows the truth about the void century.
Rayleigh said that they(Roger's crew) found out the truth about the void century. So Rayleigh, Shanks and Buggy are sure to know.
i find it hard to believe 2 kids made it to Raftel if they were in his crew at that time they most likely left them somewhere safe while they did the dangerous shit
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