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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On February 02 2014 08:54 GettingIt wrote: In case he needed help in capturing Robin. Wasn't it more like the fact that he had the power of the Buster Call allowed him to manipulate Robin using her traumatism of the previous buster call? CP9 "should" have been enough to get Robin, at least in terms of brute power; the buster call itself didn't really serve a purpose. That's understandable, Spanda was an idiot. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 02 2014 16:25 Incognoto wrote: Wasn't it more like the fact that he had the power of the Buster Call allowed him to manipulate Robin using her traumatism of the previous buster call? CP9 "should" have been enough to get Robin, at least in terms of brute power; the buster call itself didn't really serve a purpose. That's understandable, Spanda was an idiot. CP9 was on another mission at the time, so I assumed that both continuing their undercover mission and going to war with the Strawhats in the streets of Water 7 would have been too much for them to do and actually stay covert. Aokiji giving them permission to Buster Call one time gave them the leverage to take Robin on top of what they were already doing. | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
Another thing, Back in Alabasta Robin made a clear choice; she chose death over revealing the location of pluton to Crocodile. Why would she rather give it to the ruthless WG, who killed her mother and whiped out her home island, based on a nonsensical threat? | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 02 2014 17:08 sc2holar wrote: But it was a pretty dumb and empty threat, seeing as how calling a buster call on water seven would have completley screwed over their desire to get the pluton blueprints for all eternity. Robin should be smart enough to realize that the WG would never wipe out an entire island and destroy their potentially largest military asset in the history of the WG just to kill the strawhats as a way to get back at her. It never made sense to me. Another thing, Back in Alabasta Robin made a clear choice; she chose death over revealing the location of pluton to Crocodile. Why would she rather give it to the ruthless WG, who killed her mother and whiped out her home island, based on a nonsensical threat? She was traumatized over it, and didn't want it being called on her crew. You can call it stupid, but trauma is what it is. In Alabasta she didn't have anyone she cared about, but that had changed by Water 7. | ||
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GettingIt
1656 Posts
On February 02 2014 17:11 Sentenal wrote: She was traumatized over it, and didn't want it being called on her crew. You can call it stupid, but trauma is what it is. In Alabasta she didn't have anyone she cared about, but that had changed by Water 7. Yup, iirc she admitted that she didn't care if the ancient weapon was revived as long as her crew got away safely (she said it to Iceburg I think). | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On February 02 2014 17:08 sc2holar wrote: But it was a pretty dumb and empty threat, seeing as how calling a buster call on water seven would have completley screwed over their desire to get the pluton blueprints for all eternity. Robin should be smart enough to realize that the WG would never wipe out an entire island and destroy their potentially largest military asset in the history of the WG just to kill the strawhats as a way to get back at her. It never made sense to me. Another thing, Back in Alabasta Robin made a clear choice; she chose death over revealing the location of pluton to Crocodile. Why would she rather give it to the ruthless WG, who killed her mother and whiped out her home island, based on a nonsensical threat? The entire point of that story arc was to show that Robin changed. At Water 7 she cared for the Straw Hat crew. In her own words, she would rather see the the entire world in flames then the SH crew dead. The threat was that the Straw Hats would be Buster Called, not that Water 7 would be Buster Called. The Buster Call was mainly a thing that Robin thought was perfect and unescapable(it wasn't). | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
Why not just use Iceburgs fear of Robin against him to create a Stockholm Syndrome scenario? like, tell him that Robin is about to locate Pluton and that you need the blueprints to combat her. Then offer him a huge dumptruck of money and a title as Noble in return. I know they tried to use Robin to scare Ice-Sama into giving it to Paulie, So they did sort of use his fear against him, but it just seems like unessercary hassle to wait years for Robin to arrive and then get a Buster Call permission when they simply could have used bribes and lies to probably make him play along much earlier. I mean what if Luffy hadnt saved Robin back in Alabasta. Would the CP9, the WG´s super strong secret military unit spend the rest of their lives playing carpenters and barmen in Water Seven waiting for her to arrive? When the Strawhats got there they had already been there 5 or something years. Or what if Robin-san would have simply said NO and betrayed the Strawhats, like "every organization she had previously been apart of" like Kuzan himself put it? Did they know she would sacrifise herself and the entire world for the strawhats? How did they know that? If Kuzan could locate Robin right after the SHs came back from an unknown island in the sky, then why could they not locate her earlier? Well, enough rambling. I realize that this is starting to sound like Redlettermedia Star Wars prequel rant. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On February 02 2014 18:27 Sentenal wrote: Considering they had been under cover for 5 years, I don't think Robin factored in at all in their original plans for Iceberg. How the hell would you even plan for that lol? Its more like all the sudden Aokiju comes and tells them Robin and the Strawhats are on the way, so they just take advantage of the situation, and try to get both the blueprints and Robin. Êxactly this^ | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
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GettingIt
1656 Posts
On February 02 2014 19:01 sc2holar wrote: That is kinda my poiny too. Im curious to know what other plans they had in mind. Why would they have other plans? | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
Because they could never be assured that Robin would appear. Yet they had their strongest CP9 members infiltrate Iceburg for 5 years. They must have thought of some other way to squeeze the Pluton blueprints from him? | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Kuzan gave the Buster Call to Spandam and told him about Robins past because he wanted to give Robin a chance. He even said a person with no ties, with nothing to lose, is too dangerous to be left alone. Had Robin betrayed the Straw Hats, Kuzan had personally hunted her down. Spandam actually did very little planning or anything special in the entire arc. | ||
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GettingIt
1656 Posts
On February 02 2014 20:03 sc2holar wrote: Because they could never be assured that Robin would appear. Yet they had their strongest CP9 members infiltrate Iceburg for 5 years. They must have thought of some other way to squeeze the Pluton blueprints from him? Oh I understand now. Yeah who knows what they had in mind, but I'm 100% sure they would've never succeeded. | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
I don't think he got promoted for that. | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On February 02 2014 21:51 Mataza wrote: Under Spandam's leadership Enie's Lobby got destroyed and all criminals got away. I don't think he got promoted for that. What are you talking about? I think you missed the point. He constantly talked about a certain promotion that he would have gotten if Robin was brought to impel down. its possible that he was refering to CP0. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 02 2014 20:03 sc2holar wrote: Because they could never be assured that Robin would appear. Yet they had their strongest CP9 members infiltrate Iceburg for 5 years. They must have thought of some other way to squeeze the Pluton blueprints from him? They inflitrated Galley-La, so I assume their paln was to either have Iceberg eventually hand the blueprints down to them normally, or something similar to the events that actually happened. Honestly, all Robin showing up did was speed up their plans. Their plan was to make Iceberg feel like his life was in danger, and then him pass on the blueprints to a sucessor, like what happened with Tom. And then swoop in and snatch them then. And thats pretty much what happened, all Robin did was help place the blame on the Strawhats fof a time. | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On February 03 2014 02:59 Sentenal wrote: They inflitrated Galley-La, so I assume their paln was to either have Iceberg eventually hand the blueprints down to them normally, or something similar to the events that actually happened. Honestly, all Robin showing up did was speed up their plans. Their plan was to make Iceberg feel like his life was in danger, and then him pass on the blueprints to a sucessor, like what happened with Tom. And then swoop in and snatch them then. And thats pretty much what happened, all Robin did was help place the blame on the Strawhats fof a time. Wasnt it because they knew how scared of Robin Iceburg was because Tom had warned him and franky about her, based on the false government propaganda claiming that she along with the rest of the Oharas wanted to revive the ancient weapons? He had a picture of her wanted poster in his office and mentioned these worries to kalifa at one point, so i always thought that was their plan and the reason why they wanted Robin. If they just needed to make him feel threatened, they could have done it years ago with one of their own guys in a mask. Its not like having the Straw hats as culprints was really a crucial key component of their plan, the world government in one piece doesnt answer to anyone (with the exception of maybe the World Nobles) so they could just cover it up and blame some random pirate, or even the Franky family for all they care. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 03 2014 03:31 sc2holar wrote: Wasnt it because they knew how scared of Robin Iceburg was because Tom had warned him and franky about her, based on the false government propaganda claiming that she along with the rest of the Oharas wanted to revive the ancient weapons? If they just needed to make him feel threatened, they could have done it years ago with one of their own guys in a mask. Its like having the Straw hats as culprints was a key component of the plan, the world government in one piece doesnt answer to anyone (with the exception of maybe the World Nobles) so they could just cover it up and blame some random pirate, or even the Franky family for all they care. they needed him to think it wasnt the WG though, if it was jsut Robin he may have thought "oh no she knows i can counter her i need tog et the plans somewhere safe" instead of "oh no the WG is making there move i need to keep the plans from them" | ||
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