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On February 01 2014 14:31 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 14:20 Forikorder wrote:On February 01 2014 14:06 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 13:50 BurningSera wrote:
I didn't get the vibe of CP0 being stronger than CP9 (so far), we know that it is closely related to world nobles but that's about it, they are not necessary to have strong fighting powers. Think of Marine as WG's army/Ministry of defence, CP is like FBI/CIA, CP9 is the highly classfied spy team while CP0 is like the secretary/management level of the whole CP (where they may have higher authority or handle even higher classified information). If it was like that, I wouldn't have a problem. But they were introduced as the "strongest intelligence organization amongst Cipher Pol", according to Robin. that doesnt neccesarily mean physical strength, at the very least they seem to rely on DD to do dirty work for them like killing Moria and when they had a lead on the ancient weapon it was CP9 they entrusted it to i think (to use the navy ranks) CP1-8 are like the vice admirals, CP9 are like the admirals and CP0 is like the fleet commander What...? CP0 didn't have anything to do with Moria, or am I missing something?
He didn't say they did.
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On February 01 2014 11:50 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 11:46 terranghost wrote:TLDR Just no one can say that no counter argument has been produced to say enel isn't the strongest Anyone not wanting to read Enel discussion don't bother with the spoiler + Show Spoiler +People are mentioning the enel's lightning is weak because it couldn't kill people like Connis' dad.
In all honesty that is really not a legit argument since people really don't die much in One Piece anyway.
On the flip side Enel is far from unbeatable. The argument that enel can just sit in his ship and nuke whoever he wants and thats it is flawed. Failure to be able to be attacked does not imply that one can hit whoever he wants.
Meaning Enel could for example maybe hit connis' dad whenever he wanted but say Luffy which also has observation Haki can dodge the attack that enel throws it doesn't mean he can retaliate against enel while he is in the spaceship but that if u follow it to its endpoint is a draw. It has also been shown that people like WB can use observation Haki while asleep we don't know if Luffy's OH is that good yet though.
So enels main advantage is that he can attack most people with immunity but if you really think about it why does he need a ship for that? He can attack Connis's dad or Ussopp or *insert a non haki person here* with immunity from his space ship but couldnt he do that anyway without a ship? I mean they can't hit him anyway. And people that have Haki may not be able to find him since he is nukeing from far away but they still can sense the lightning attack coming and dodge that.
Then you have people who can take away the advantage of the flying ship like Sanji (skywalk), FUjitori (gravity fruit), CP9-guys (geppou)
Of course Enel can sense them coming from a long way away but as I said if you follow this to its conclusion its a draw. These characters may not be able to attack him if Enel were smart (and thats a big if right there) but he can't attack them either. I don't think people give usopp enough credit. He got beat by the franky family at the ship yard then he goes to the franky house gets beat up by the franky's again. On the sea train gets hit by robin clutch move 1-3 (forget exactly how many times he was hit). THen gets to Ennis lobby and gets punched by the wolf guy (when he first wakes up and who isnt exactly a pushover) then he takes a two handed shigan. Then he takes a nose dive off the tower of justice and maybe splash damage from the battleships cannon. And manages to stand on the bridge and start fighting the captains that came out of the ships. On January 31 2014 20:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 31 2014 20:26 gedatsu wrote:On January 31 2014 08:57 rei wrote:On January 31 2014 07:30 Sentenal wrote:
More like there is no point talking about it when Oda has already said Enel isn't the strongest. red herring, even if oda said enel isn't the strongest it does not have anything to do with my argument about how nobody can touch Enel when he's flying in orbit and shoots orbital strikes from outside of everybody's range. So what if Enel isn't strong enough to fist fight it out with even luffy pre time skip. it has nothing to do with my argument. Fujitora or Blackbeard can easily take him out of orbit. The fact that they haven't done so shows just how afraid they are Or that they don't know hes there or don't care. + Show Spoiler +People don't normally die, but come on. His ion cannon barely phased an old man, a cripple whose bones had been blasted into bits by using Reject like 3 times, and fucking Usopp. And Usopp got zapped by him like 3 times in the span of a few hours. And he was more or less fine shortly afterwards!
I don't think people give usopp enough credit.
He got beat by the franky family at the ship yard then he goes to the franky house gets beat up by the franky's again. On the sea train gets hit by robin clutch move 1-3 (forget exactly how many times he was hit). THen gets to Ennis lobby and gets punched by the wolf guy (when he first wakes up and who isnt exactly a pushover) then he takes a two handed shigan. Then he takes a nose dive off the tower of justice and maybe splash damage from the battleships cannon. And manages to stand on the bridge and start fighting the captains that came out of the ships.
Granted their is some time between water 7 and the sea train but the rest of those didnt have alot of time in between them
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 01 2014 14:44 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 14:31 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 14:20 Forikorder wrote:On February 01 2014 14:06 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 13:50 BurningSera wrote:
I didn't get the vibe of CP0 being stronger than CP9 (so far), we know that it is closely related to world nobles but that's about it, they are not necessary to have strong fighting powers. Think of Marine as WG's army/Ministry of defence, CP is like FBI/CIA, CP9 is the highly classfied spy team while CP0 is like the secretary/management level of the whole CP (where they may have higher authority or handle even higher classified information). If it was like that, I wouldn't have a problem. But they were introduced as the "strongest intelligence organization amongst Cipher Pol", according to Robin. that doesnt neccesarily mean physical strength, at the very least they seem to rely on DD to do dirty work for them like killing Moria and when they had a lead on the ancient weapon it was CP9 they entrusted it to i think (to use the navy ranks) CP1-8 are like the vice admirals, CP9 are like the admirals and CP0 is like the fleet commander What...? CP0 didn't have anything to do with Moria, or am I missing something? well the CP0 dude was the one DD explained Morias disapearence too so im guessing there the ones who gave him the order ( unless im having massive brain fart) and this is uncommon how.
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On February 01 2014 14:31 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 14:20 Forikorder wrote:On February 01 2014 14:06 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 13:50 BurningSera wrote:
I didn't get the vibe of CP0 being stronger than CP9 (so far), we know that it is closely related to world nobles but that's about it, they are not necessary to have strong fighting powers. Think of Marine as WG's army/Ministry of defence, CP is like FBI/CIA, CP9 is the highly classfied spy team while CP0 is like the secretary/management level of the whole CP (where they may have higher authority or handle even higher classified information). If it was like that, I wouldn't have a problem. But they were introduced as the "strongest intelligence organization amongst Cipher Pol", according to Robin. that doesnt neccesarily mean physical strength, at the very least they seem to rely on DD to do dirty work for them like killing Moria and when they had a lead on the ancient weapon it was CP9 they entrusted it to i think (to use the navy ranks) CP1-8 are like the vice admirals, CP9 are like the admirals and CP0 is like the fleet commander What...? CP0 didn't have anything to do with Moria, or am I missing something?
well the CP0 dude was the one DD explained Morias disapearence too so im guessing there the ones who gave him the order
(unless im having massive brain fart)
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On February 01 2014 14:38 kirsed wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 14:31 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 14:20 Forikorder wrote:On February 01 2014 14:06 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 13:50 BurningSera wrote:
I didn't get the vibe of CP0 being stronger than CP9 (so far), we know that it is closely related to world nobles but that's about it, they are not necessary to have strong fighting powers. Think of Marine as WG's army/Ministry of defence, CP is like FBI/CIA, CP9 is the highly classfied spy team while CP0 is like the secretary/management level of the whole CP (where they may have higher authority or handle even higher classified information). If it was like that, I wouldn't have a problem. But they were introduced as the "strongest intelligence organization amongst Cipher Pol", according to Robin. that doesnt neccesarily mean physical strength, at the very least they seem to rely on DD to do dirty work for them like killing Moria and when they had a lead on the ancient weapon it was CP9 they entrusted it to i think (to use the navy ranks) CP1-8 are like the vice admirals, CP9 are like the admirals and CP0 is like the fleet commander What...? CP0 didn't have anything to do with Moria, or am I missing something? He didn't say they did.
He said CP0 had Doflamingo do their dirty work to take out Moria. And...
On February 01 2014 14:44 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 14:31 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 14:20 Forikorder wrote:On February 01 2014 14:06 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 13:50 BurningSera wrote:
I didn't get the vibe of CP0 being stronger than CP9 (so far), we know that it is closely related to world nobles but that's about it, they are not necessary to have strong fighting powers. Think of Marine as WG's army/Ministry of defence, CP is like FBI/CIA, CP9 is the highly classfied spy team while CP0 is like the secretary/management level of the whole CP (where they may have higher authority or handle even higher classified information). If it was like that, I wouldn't have a problem. But they were introduced as the "strongest intelligence organization amongst Cipher Pol", according to Robin. that doesnt neccesarily mean physical strength, at the very least they seem to rely on DD to do dirty work for them like killing Moria and when they had a lead on the ancient weapon it was CP9 they entrusted it to i think (to use the navy ranks) CP1-8 are like the vice admirals, CP9 are like the admirals and CP0 is like the fleet commander What...? CP0 didn't have anything to do with Moria, or am I missing something? well the CP0 dude was the one DD explained Morias disapearence too so im guessing there the ones who gave him the order (unless im having massive brain fart)
What, really? What chapter? I totally don't remember this.
On February 01 2014 14:38 terranghost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 11:50 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 11:46 terranghost wrote:TLDR Just no one can say that no counter argument has been produced to say enel isn't the strongest Anyone not wanting to read Enel discussion don't bother with the spoiler + Show Spoiler +People are mentioning the enel's lightning is weak because it couldn't kill people like Connis' dad.
In all honesty that is really not a legit argument since people really don't die much in One Piece anyway.
On the flip side Enel is far from unbeatable. The argument that enel can just sit in his ship and nuke whoever he wants and thats it is flawed. Failure to be able to be attacked does not imply that one can hit whoever he wants.
Meaning Enel could for example maybe hit connis' dad whenever he wanted but say Luffy which also has observation Haki can dodge the attack that enel throws it doesn't mean he can retaliate against enel while he is in the spaceship but that if u follow it to its endpoint is a draw. It has also been shown that people like WB can use observation Haki while asleep we don't know if Luffy's OH is that good yet though.
So enels main advantage is that he can attack most people with immunity but if you really think about it why does he need a ship for that? He can attack Connis's dad or Ussopp or *insert a non haki person here* with immunity from his space ship but couldnt he do that anyway without a ship? I mean they can't hit him anyway. And people that have Haki may not be able to find him since he is nukeing from far away but they still can sense the lightning attack coming and dodge that.
Then you have people who can take away the advantage of the flying ship like Sanji (skywalk), FUjitori (gravity fruit), CP9-guys (geppou)
Of course Enel can sense them coming from a long way away but as I said if you follow this to its conclusion its a draw. These characters may not be able to attack him if Enel were smart (and thats a big if right there) but he can't attack them either. I don't think people give usopp enough credit. He got beat by the franky family at the ship yard then he goes to the franky house gets beat up by the franky's again. On the sea train gets hit by robin clutch move 1-3 (forget exactly how many times he was hit). THen gets to Ennis lobby and gets punched by the wolf guy (when he first wakes up and who isnt exactly a pushover) then he takes a two handed shigan. Then he takes a nose dive off the tower of justice and maybe splash damage from the battleships cannon. And manages to stand on the bridge and start fighting the captains that came out of the ships. On January 31 2014 20:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 31 2014 20:26 gedatsu wrote:On January 31 2014 08:57 rei wrote:On January 31 2014 07:30 Sentenal wrote:
More like there is no point talking about it when Oda has already said Enel isn't the strongest. red herring, even if oda said enel isn't the strongest it does not have anything to do with my argument about how nobody can touch Enel when he's flying in orbit and shoots orbital strikes from outside of everybody's range. So what if Enel isn't strong enough to fist fight it out with even luffy pre time skip. it has nothing to do with my argument. Fujitora or Blackbeard can easily take him out of orbit. The fact that they haven't done so shows just how afraid they are Or that they don't know hes there or don't care. + Show Spoiler +People don't normally die, but come on. His ion cannon barely phased an old man, a cripple whose bones had been blasted into bits by using Reject like 3 times, and fucking Usopp. And Usopp got zapped by him like 3 times in the span of a few hours. And he was more or less fine shortly afterwards! I don't think people give usopp enough credit. He got beat by the franky family at the ship yard then he goes to the franky house gets beat up by the franky's again. On the sea train gets hit by robin clutch move 1-3 (forget exactly how many times he was hit). THen gets to Ennis lobby and gets punched by the wolf guy (when he first wakes up and who isnt exactly a pushover) then he takes a two handed shigan. Then he takes a nose dive off the tower of justice and maybe splash damage from the battleships cannon. And manages to stand on the bridge and start fighting the captains that came out of the ships. Granted their is some time between water 7 and the sea train but the rest of those didnt have alot of time in between them
This is kind of true. I guess Usopp is actually incredibly durable. Seems like he had impressive resilience back in Alabasta too. Well, at any rate, the other two example still hold.
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On February 01 2014 14:52 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 14:38 kirsed wrote:On February 01 2014 14:31 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 14:20 Forikorder wrote:On February 01 2014 14:06 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 13:50 BurningSera wrote:
I didn't get the vibe of CP0 being stronger than CP9 (so far), we know that it is closely related to world nobles but that's about it, they are not necessary to have strong fighting powers. Think of Marine as WG's army/Ministry of defence, CP is like FBI/CIA, CP9 is the highly classfied spy team while CP0 is like the secretary/management level of the whole CP (where they may have higher authority or handle even higher classified information). If it was like that, I wouldn't have a problem. But they were introduced as the "strongest intelligence organization amongst Cipher Pol", according to Robin. that doesnt neccesarily mean physical strength, at the very least they seem to rely on DD to do dirty work for them like killing Moria and when they had a lead on the ancient weapon it was CP9 they entrusted it to i think (to use the navy ranks) CP1-8 are like the vice admirals, CP9 are like the admirals and CP0 is like the fleet commander What...? CP0 didn't have anything to do with Moria, or am I missing something? He didn't say they did. He said CP0 had Doflamingo do their dirty work to take out Moria. And... Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 14:44 Forikorder wrote:On February 01 2014 14:31 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 14:20 Forikorder wrote:On February 01 2014 14:06 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 13:50 BurningSera wrote:
I didn't get the vibe of CP0 being stronger than CP9 (so far), we know that it is closely related to world nobles but that's about it, they are not necessary to have strong fighting powers. Think of Marine as WG's army/Ministry of defence, CP is like FBI/CIA, CP9 is the highly classfied spy team while CP0 is like the secretary/management level of the whole CP (where they may have higher authority or handle even higher classified information). If it was like that, I wouldn't have a problem. But they were introduced as the "strongest intelligence organization amongst Cipher Pol", according to Robin. that doesnt neccesarily mean physical strength, at the very least they seem to rely on DD to do dirty work for them like killing Moria and when they had a lead on the ancient weapon it was CP9 they entrusted it to i think (to use the navy ranks) CP1-8 are like the vice admirals, CP9 are like the admirals and CP0 is like the fleet commander What...? CP0 didn't have anything to do with Moria, or am I missing something? well the CP0 dude was the one DD explained Morias disapearence too so im guessing there the ones who gave him the order (unless im having massive brain fart) What, really? What chapter? I totally don't remember this.
I can help:
Chapter 595, page 10.
http://starkana.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/595/10
At the time we don't know that the guy Doflamingo is talking to is a CP0 member. But it appears that he's the same guy as here: http://starkana.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/705/12
Doflamingo also told Moriah that the order to kill him came from above Sengoku and it is believed that CP0 takes orders directly from the Gorosei, not the Military.
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On February 01 2014 15:03 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 14:52 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 14:38 kirsed wrote:On February 01 2014 14:31 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 14:20 Forikorder wrote:On February 01 2014 14:06 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 13:50 BurningSera wrote:
I didn't get the vibe of CP0 being stronger than CP9 (so far), we know that it is closely related to world nobles but that's about it, they are not necessary to have strong fighting powers. Think of Marine as WG's army/Ministry of defence, CP is like FBI/CIA, CP9 is the highly classfied spy team while CP0 is like the secretary/management level of the whole CP (where they may have higher authority or handle even higher classified information). If it was like that, I wouldn't have a problem. But they were introduced as the "strongest intelligence organization amongst Cipher Pol", according to Robin. that doesnt neccesarily mean physical strength, at the very least they seem to rely on DD to do dirty work for them like killing Moria and when they had a lead on the ancient weapon it was CP9 they entrusted it to i think (to use the navy ranks) CP1-8 are like the vice admirals, CP9 are like the admirals and CP0 is like the fleet commander What...? CP0 didn't have anything to do with Moria, or am I missing something? He didn't say they did. He said CP0 had Doflamingo do their dirty work to take out Moria. And... On February 01 2014 14:44 Forikorder wrote:On February 01 2014 14:31 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 14:20 Forikorder wrote:On February 01 2014 14:06 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 13:50 BurningSera wrote:
I didn't get the vibe of CP0 being stronger than CP9 (so far), we know that it is closely related to world nobles but that's about it, they are not necessary to have strong fighting powers. Think of Marine as WG's army/Ministry of defence, CP is like FBI/CIA, CP9 is the highly classfied spy team while CP0 is like the secretary/management level of the whole CP (where they may have higher authority or handle even higher classified information). If it was like that, I wouldn't have a problem. But they were introduced as the "strongest intelligence organization amongst Cipher Pol", according to Robin. that doesnt neccesarily mean physical strength, at the very least they seem to rely on DD to do dirty work for them like killing Moria and when they had a lead on the ancient weapon it was CP9 they entrusted it to i think (to use the navy ranks) CP1-8 are like the vice admirals, CP9 are like the admirals and CP0 is like the fleet commander What...? CP0 didn't have anything to do with Moria, or am I missing something? well the CP0 dude was the one DD explained Morias disapearence too so im guessing there the ones who gave him the order (unless im having massive brain fart) What, really? What chapter? I totally don't remember this. I can help: Chapter 595, page 10. http://starkana.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/595/10At the time we don't know that the guy Doflamingo is talking to is a CP0 member. But it appears that he's the same guy as here: http://starkana.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/705/12Doflamingo also told Moriah that the order to kill him came from above Sengoku and it is believed that CP0 takes orders directly from the Gorosei, not the Military.
Meh, they just have a similar hat. Maybe its the same guy, but I think its premature to draw that conclusion and say DD is doing CP0's "dirty work".
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On February 01 2014 15:08 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 15:03 RenSC2 wrote:On February 01 2014 14:52 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 14:38 kirsed wrote:On February 01 2014 14:31 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 14:20 Forikorder wrote:On February 01 2014 14:06 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 13:50 BurningSera wrote:
I didn't get the vibe of CP0 being stronger than CP9 (so far), we know that it is closely related to world nobles but that's about it, they are not necessary to have strong fighting powers. Think of Marine as WG's army/Ministry of defence, CP is like FBI/CIA, CP9 is the highly classfied spy team while CP0 is like the secretary/management level of the whole CP (where they may have higher authority or handle even higher classified information). If it was like that, I wouldn't have a problem. But they were introduced as the "strongest intelligence organization amongst Cipher Pol", according to Robin. that doesnt neccesarily mean physical strength, at the very least they seem to rely on DD to do dirty work for them like killing Moria and when they had a lead on the ancient weapon it was CP9 they entrusted it to i think (to use the navy ranks) CP1-8 are like the vice admirals, CP9 are like the admirals and CP0 is like the fleet commander What...? CP0 didn't have anything to do with Moria, or am I missing something? He didn't say they did. He said CP0 had Doflamingo do their dirty work to take out Moria. And... On February 01 2014 14:44 Forikorder wrote:On February 01 2014 14:31 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 14:20 Forikorder wrote:On February 01 2014 14:06 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 13:50 BurningSera wrote:
I didn't get the vibe of CP0 being stronger than CP9 (so far), we know that it is closely related to world nobles but that's about it, they are not necessary to have strong fighting powers. Think of Marine as WG's army/Ministry of defence, CP is like FBI/CIA, CP9 is the highly classfied spy team while CP0 is like the secretary/management level of the whole CP (where they may have higher authority or handle even higher classified information). If it was like that, I wouldn't have a problem. But they were introduced as the "strongest intelligence organization amongst Cipher Pol", according to Robin. that doesnt neccesarily mean physical strength, at the very least they seem to rely on DD to do dirty work for them like killing Moria and when they had a lead on the ancient weapon it was CP9 they entrusted it to i think (to use the navy ranks) CP1-8 are like the vice admirals, CP9 are like the admirals and CP0 is like the fleet commander What...? CP0 didn't have anything to do with Moria, or am I missing something? well the CP0 dude was the one DD explained Morias disapearence too so im guessing there the ones who gave him the order (unless im having massive brain fart) What, really? What chapter? I totally don't remember this. I can help: Chapter 595, page 10. http://starkana.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/595/10At the time we don't know that the guy Doflamingo is talking to is a CP0 member. But it appears that he's the same guy as here: http://starkana.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/705/12Doflamingo also told Moriah that the order to kill him came from above Sengoku and it is believed that CP0 takes orders directly from the Gorosei, not the Military. Meh, they just have a similar hat. Maybe its the same guy, but I think its premature to draw that conclusion and say DD is doing CP0's "dirty work".
why would oda have the CP0 dude wear the same style hat, and same style clothes as the mysterious person if they werent the same person?
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On February 01 2014 15:20 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 15:08 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 15:03 RenSC2 wrote:On February 01 2014 14:52 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 14:38 kirsed wrote:On February 01 2014 14:31 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 14:20 Forikorder wrote:On February 01 2014 14:06 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 13:50 BurningSera wrote:
I didn't get the vibe of CP0 being stronger than CP9 (so far), we know that it is closely related to world nobles but that's about it, they are not necessary to have strong fighting powers. Think of Marine as WG's army/Ministry of defence, CP is like FBI/CIA, CP9 is the highly classfied spy team while CP0 is like the secretary/management level of the whole CP (where they may have higher authority or handle even higher classified information). If it was like that, I wouldn't have a problem. But they were introduced as the "strongest intelligence organization amongst Cipher Pol", according to Robin. that doesnt neccesarily mean physical strength, at the very least they seem to rely on DD to do dirty work for them like killing Moria and when they had a lead on the ancient weapon it was CP9 they entrusted it to i think (to use the navy ranks) CP1-8 are like the vice admirals, CP9 are like the admirals and CP0 is like the fleet commander What...? CP0 didn't have anything to do with Moria, or am I missing something? He didn't say they did. He said CP0 had Doflamingo do their dirty work to take out Moria. And... On February 01 2014 14:44 Forikorder wrote:On February 01 2014 14:31 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 14:20 Forikorder wrote:On February 01 2014 14:06 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 13:50 BurningSera wrote:
I didn't get the vibe of CP0 being stronger than CP9 (so far), we know that it is closely related to world nobles but that's about it, they are not necessary to have strong fighting powers. Think of Marine as WG's army/Ministry of defence, CP is like FBI/CIA, CP9 is the highly classfied spy team while CP0 is like the secretary/management level of the whole CP (where they may have higher authority or handle even higher classified information). If it was like that, I wouldn't have a problem. But they were introduced as the "strongest intelligence organization amongst Cipher Pol", according to Robin. that doesnt neccesarily mean physical strength, at the very least they seem to rely on DD to do dirty work for them like killing Moria and when they had a lead on the ancient weapon it was CP9 they entrusted it to i think (to use the navy ranks) CP1-8 are like the vice admirals, CP9 are like the admirals and CP0 is like the fleet commander What...? CP0 didn't have anything to do with Moria, or am I missing something? well the CP0 dude was the one DD explained Morias disapearence too so im guessing there the ones who gave him the order (unless im having massive brain fart) What, really? What chapter? I totally don't remember this. I can help: Chapter 595, page 10. http://starkana.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/595/10At the time we don't know that the guy Doflamingo is talking to is a CP0 member. But it appears that he's the same guy as here: http://starkana.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/705/12Doflamingo also told Moriah that the order to kill him came from above Sengoku and it is believed that CP0 takes orders directly from the Gorosei, not the Military. Meh, they just have a similar hat. Maybe its the same guy, but I think its premature to draw that conclusion and say DD is doing CP0's "dirty work". why would oda have the CP0 dude wear the same style hat, and same style clothes as the mysterious person if they werent the same person?
He had the same hat. Not the same clothes. All you can see on the WG official is he is wearing a coat with fluffy trim. CP0's guy has a large trench coat with insanely long sleaves, and a polka dot scarf (or maybe polka dot trim? At any rate, its not the same).
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On February 01 2014 14:52 Sentenal wrote:
He said CP0 had Doflamingo do their dirty work to take out Moria. And...
No he didn't. He said "They rely on Doflamingo to do the dirty job for them"
he means Doflamingo killed moria, not cp0 - cp0 are meant to do jobs like that though as the "strongest secret force" He was ordered to do it though. so he kind of "did the dirty job" for them.
get it?
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Just accept that Forikorder was right.
It's not a big deal, you're just going to overblow this.
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If CP 0 works for the Gorosei and the Celestial Dragons..
they kinda work for DD
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On February 01 2014 20:33 shell wrote:
If CP 0 works for the Gorosei and the Celestial Dragons..
they kinda work for DD
I disagree DD is not longer party of any of that the only thing he can do is call in a favor from then every now and then but I think thats about it.
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On February 01 2014 13:50 BurningSera wrote:
I didn't get the vibe of CP0 being stronger than CP9 (so far), we know that it is closely related to world nobles but that's about it, they are not necessary to have strong fighting powers. Think of Marine as WG's army/Ministry of defence, CP is like FBI/CIA, CP9 is the highly classfied spy team while CP0 is like the secretary/management level of the whole CP (where they may have higher authority or handle even higher classified information).
I would be very surprised if they are not head and shoulders above CP9. Compared to your average pirate in the new world, Rob Lucci appears to be canon fodder level. Even some of the weakest named characters from the new world is far stronger than anything from first part of Grand Line. Think of how easily Luffy dealt with a Pacifista after the time-skip, and compare to how badly a single Pacifista beat up the entire Strawhat crew prior to time-skip.
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On February 01 2014 22:05 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 13:50 BurningSera wrote:
I didn't get the vibe of CP0 being stronger than CP9 (so far), we know that it is closely related to world nobles but that's about it, they are not necessary to have strong fighting powers. Think of Marine as WG's army/Ministry of defence, CP is like FBI/CIA, CP9 is the highly classfied spy team while CP0 is like the secretary/management level of the whole CP (where they may have higher authority or handle even higher classified information). I would be very surprised if they are not head and shoulders above CP9. Compared to your average pirate in the new world, Rob Lucci appears to be canon fodder level. Even some of the weakest named characters from the new world is far stronger than anything from first part of Grand Line. Think of how easily Luffy dealt with a Pacifista after the time-skip, and compare to how badly a single Pacifista beat up the entire Strawhat crew prior to time-skip.
Of course it can be that case but as i posted on last page:
On February 01 2014 14:36 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 14:06 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2014 13:50 BurningSera wrote:
I didn't get the vibe of CP0 being stronger than CP9 (so far), we know that it is closely related to world nobles but that's about it, they are not necessary to have strong fighting powers. Think of Marine as WG's army/Ministry of defence, CP is like FBI/CIA, CP9 is the highly classfied spy team while CP0 is like the secretary/management level of the whole CP (where they may have higher authority or handle even higher classified information). If it was like that, I wouldn't have a problem. But they were introduced as the "strongest intelligence organization amongst Cipher Pol", according to Robin. hmmm i read back chapter 705 and i know the wikia said CP0 is the strongest as well, but here is the original: 'CP9より上の、最上級の機関' 正式名称CP-AIGIS0 http://onesoku.com/archives/26589522.htmlit merely implied that 'CP0 is the highest authority (above CP9)', and then robin said 'nothing good will come with them' etc....although japanese media does have a tendency of '0 > all the numbers'... Either they are the management level of CP like i said (assuming that they would at least have some moderate fighting powers), or they are like the elite spies that chosen from all CPs (probably are also strong haki users etc ie stronger than CP9). I am inclined to not believe that they have stronger fighting powers than CP9 until we have seen them in actions.
We haven't seen them in actions so i reserve my opinion on their fighting powers, and the main confusion comes from the some misleading english translation in the first place.
edit: i just noticed that there is a line of 'Strongest spy organization' above the name of CP-AIGIS0 on page 11 but that doesn't necessary mean they have stronger fighting either, but 'stronger spying ability' yes.
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I have no idea but maybe CP0 was created after CP9 got destroyed ?
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Te me CP9 always worked for the world government. They took orders from the marines and did the dirty work for them. CP0 works directly with the nobles. I'd doubt anyone in the marines can give CP0 orders. If nothing else CP9 lost in the grand line, they need some group that scares the hell out of people in the new world.
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On February 02 2014 02:42 Chro wrote:
Te me CP9 always worked for the world government. They took orders from the marines and did the dirty work for them. CP0 works directly with the nobles. I'd doubt anyone in the marines can give CP0 orders. If nothing else CP9 lost in the grand line, they need some group that scares the hell out of people in the new world.
The government is under the nobles. :p
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On February 02 2014 02:51 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2014 02:42 Chro wrote:
Te me CP9 always worked for the world government. They took orders from the marines and did the dirty work for them. CP0 works directly with the nobles. I'd doubt anyone in the marines can give CP0 orders. If nothing else CP9 lost in the grand line, they need some group that scares the hell out of people in the new world. The government is under the nobles. :p
the marines give orders to CP9 but CP0 gives orders to the marines (well maybe not literally)
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I always thought (and that it was pretty ovbious) that CP0 was > CP9. CP0 are the nobles dirty little hands that do their bidding outside of the island they all live on. Considering pissing one of those off is enough to summon an admiral then CP0 being their little bitches must give them some credibility? Plus New World > First half should make them significantly stronger than CP9 even if story does spooky voodoo shit at times with hypes.
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On February 01 2014 16:12 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 14:52 Sentenal wrote:
He said CP0 had Doflamingo do their dirty work to take out Moria. And... No he didn't. He said "They rely on Doflamingo to do the dirty job for them" he means Doflamingo killed moria, not cp0 - cp0 are meant to do jobs like that though as the "strongest secret force" He was ordered to do it though. so he kind of "did the dirty job" for them. get it?
Forik said "that doesnt neccesarily mean physical strength, at the very least they(CP0) seem to rely on DD to do dirty work for them like killing Moria." Here for the purposes of what we are talking about, they=CP0, dirty work=killing Moria, since he even qualified what dirty work actually included. This means that he was suggesting DD tried to kill Moria on orders from CP0. As in, CP0 was getting DD to do their dirty work. If his theory is true, this also means that CP0 was involved with trying to have Moria killed. You also do say the same thing I was saying, that DD did CP0's dirty work and tried to kill Moria, which makes me curious as to how you can even argue with me over this when you are saying.
And for the record, I do believe that CP0 is stronger than CP9. My problem is more that CP0 exists in the first place. I guess no one else is bothered by that, which answers my inital question.
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