EPTThen later on CP0 is revealed. They are yet another "secret" Cipher Pol unit. And this time even stronger than the last. I dunno. While on the one hand, it isn't really that big of a deal, but on the other hand their existence just seems like lazy villain escalation ala DBZ. Anyone else feel this way about them, or am I crazy? Maybe Oda knows this and will throw CP9 back into the mix when CP0 stuff finally goes down, given how CP9 is rogue now.
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Sentenal
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Then later on CP0 is revealed. They are yet another "secret" Cipher Pol unit. And this time even stronger than the last. I dunno. While on the one hand, it isn't really that big of a deal, but on the other hand their existence just seems like lazy villain escalation ala DBZ. Anyone else feel this way about them, or am I crazy? Maybe Oda knows this and will throw CP9 back into the mix when CP0 stuff finally goes down, given how CP9 is rogue now. | ||
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On February 01 2014 11:17 Zooper31 wrote: I just thought of them like the Squad 0 in Bleach. They are basically the Royalties unit. I've long since given up on Bleach, so I have no idea who Squad 0 is, but I don't think its much of a defense to compare something to some group in Bleach. | ||
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Zooper31
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On February 01 2014 11:18 Sentenal wrote: I've long since given up on Bleach, so I have no idea who Squad 0 is, but I don't think its much of a defense to compare something to some group in Bleach. Squad 0 was talked about when Bleach was in it's so called "prime" during the SS arc so you should at least know about it lol. But yes One Piece is much better than Bleach imo. | ||
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Sentenal
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On February 01 2014 11:26 Zooper31 wrote: Squad 0 was talked about when Bleach was in it's so called "prime" during the SS arc so you should at least know about it lol. But yes One Piece is much better than Bleach imo. I must have missed it, or just don't remember it. I stopped reading it sometime when they were fighting the Espada or something. I remember the 13 Squads being a thing. I just don't remember anything about a Squad 0, though. But if Squad 0 was mentioned way back then as a known entity, and didn't just come out of literally no where for the sole purpose of being stronger than a previously defeated squad (which is how I see CP0), then I don't really have a problem with them. | ||
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On February 01 2014 11:42 sumsaR wrote: CP9 is the "secret" part of CP to obscure the fact that CP0 exists and is the real secret and elite part of it. Sounds like something plausible to have a red herring of that kind. It wouldn't be that original either, neither in fiction or in real life. Huh? Not sure what you are trying to say. | ||
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terranghost
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Just no one can say that no counter argument has been produced to say enel isn't the strongest Anyone not wanting to read Enel discussion don't bother with the spoiler + Show Spoiler + People are mentioning the enel's lightning is weak because it couldn't kill people like Connis' dad. In all honesty that is really not a legit argument since people really don't die much in One Piece anyway. On the flip side Enel is far from unbeatable. The argument that enel can just sit in his ship and nuke whoever he wants and thats it is flawed. Failure to be able to be attacked does not imply that one can hit whoever he wants. Meaning Enel could for example maybe hit connis' dad whenever he wanted but say Luffy which also has observation Haki can dodge the attack that enel throws it doesn't mean he can retaliate against enel while he is in the spaceship but that if u follow it to its endpoint is a draw. It has also been shown that people like WB can use observation Haki while asleep we don't know if Luffy's OH is that good yet though. So enels main advantage is that he can attack most people with immunity but if you really think about it why does he need a ship for that? He can attack Connis's dad or Ussopp or *insert a non haki person here* with immunity from his space ship but couldnt he do that anyway without a ship? I mean they can't hit him anyway. And people that have Haki may not be able to find him since he is nukeing from far away but they still can sense the lightning attack coming and dodge that. Then you have people who can take away the advantage of the flying ship like Sanji (skywalk), FUjitori (gravity fruit), CP9-guys (geppou) Of course Enel can sense them coming from a long way away but as I said if you follow this to its conclusion its a draw. These characters may not be able to attack him if Enel were smart (and thats a big if right there) but he can't attack them either. On January 31 2014 20:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: The fact that they haven't done so shows just how afraid they are Or that they don't know hes there or don't care. | ||
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Sentenal
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On February 01 2014 11:46 terranghost wrote: TLDR Just no one can say that no counter argument has been produced to say enel isn't the strongest Anyone not wanting to read Enel discussion don't bother with the spoiler + Show Spoiler + People are mentioning the enel's lightning is weak because it couldn't kill people like Connis' dad. In all honesty that is really not a legit argument since people really don't die much in One Piece anyway. On the flip side Enel is far from unbeatable. The argument that enel can just sit in his ship and nuke whoever he wants and thats it is flawed. Failure to be able to be attacked does not imply that one can hit whoever he wants. Meaning Enel could for example maybe hit connis' dad whenever he wanted but say Luffy which also has observation Haki can dodge the attack that enel throws it doesn't mean he can retaliate against enel while he is in the spaceship but that if u follow it to its endpoint is a draw. It has also been shown that people like WB can use observation Haki while asleep we don't know if Luffy's OH is that good yet though. So enels main advantage is that he can attack most people with immunity but if you really think about it why does he need a ship for that? He can attack Connis's dad or Ussopp or *insert a non haki person here* with immunity from his space ship but couldnt he do that anyway without a ship? I mean they can't hit him anyway. And people that have Haki may not be able to find him since he is nukeing from far away but they still can sense the lightning attack coming and dodge that. Then you have people who can take away the advantage of the flying ship like Sanji (skywalk), FUjitori (gravity fruit), CP9-guys (geppou) Of course Enel can sense them coming from a long way away but as I said if you follow this to its conclusion its a draw. These characters may not be able to attack him if Enel were smart (and thats a big if right there) but he can't attack them either. Or that they don't know hes there or don't care. + Show Spoiler + People don't normally die, but come on. His ion cannon barely phased an old man, a cripple whose bones had been blasted into bits by using Reject like 3 times, and fucking Usopp. And Usopp got zapped by him like 3 times in the span of a few hours. And he was more or less fine shortly afterwards! | ||
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On February 01 2014 11:44 Sentenal wrote: Huh? Not sure what you are trying to say. CP9 is the decoy. | ||
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Eh. I suppose CP9 being established first as the "secret" Cipher Pol did mask CP0's existence, and in one sense you are right that it helped make CP0 the "real" secret one. But thats part of the problem I have with it. Why is there a need to have a "secret" secret organization? Meh, I'm probably making too big of a deal out of this. Maybe its just me who is bothered by CP0. On another note, reading random SBS things are pretty amusing. Like for example: D: Good day, Oda-sensei. You know, that Nami-chan is so gorgeous!!! That beauty, that figure! I'm already swooning ♡ By the way, when you compare her to the Nami-chan in Volume 1, haven't her breasts grown somewhat? by Saori-chan O: Yep. I get this a lot. But when you consider that she's only 18, she's still in her growth phase. She's got more room to grow! I'll give it my best!! (←?) And Robin's only 28! I'll give it my best!! (←?) Oda is a man after my own heart. | ||
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On February 01 2014 13:50 BurningSera wrote: I didn't get the vibe of CP0 being stronger than CP9 (so far), we know that it is closely related to world nobles but that's about it, they are not necessary to have strong fighting powers. Think of Marine as WG's army/Ministry of defence, CP is like FBI/CIA, CP9 is the highly classfied spy team while CP0 is like the secretary/management level of the whole CP (where they may have higher authority or handle even higher classified information). If it was like that, I wouldn't have a problem. But they were introduced as the "strongest intelligence organization amongst Cipher Pol", according to Robin. | ||
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On February 01 2014 14:06 Sentenal wrote: If it was like that, I wouldn't have a problem. But they were introduced as the "strongest intelligence organization amongst Cipher Pol", according to Robin. that doesnt neccesarily mean physical strength, at the very least they seem to rely on DD to do dirty work for them like killing Moria and when they had a lead on the ancient weapon it was CP9 they entrusted it to i think (to use the navy ranks) CP1-8 are like the vice admirals, CP9 are like the admirals and CP0 is like the fleet commander | ||
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On February 01 2014 14:20 Forikorder wrote: that doesnt neccesarily mean physical strength, at the very least they seem to rely on DD to do dirty work for them like killing Moria and when they had a lead on the ancient weapon it was CP9 they entrusted it to i think (to use the navy ranks) CP1-8 are like the vice admirals, CP9 are like the admirals and CP0 is like the fleet commander What...? CP0 didn't have anything to do with Moria, or am I missing something? | ||
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BurningSera
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On February 01 2014 14:06 Sentenal wrote: If it was like that, I wouldn't have a problem. But they were introduced as the "strongest intelligence organization amongst Cipher Pol", according to Robin. hmmm i read back chapter 705 and i know the wikia said CP0 is the strongest as well, but here is the original: 'CP9より上の、最上級の機関' 正式名称CP-AIGIS0 http://onesoku.com/archives/26589522.html it merely implied that 'CP0 is the highest authority (above CP9)', and then robin said 'nothing good will come with them' etc....although japanese media does have a tendency of '0 > all the numbers'... Either they are the management level of CP like i said (assuming that they would at least have some moderate fighting powers), or they are like the elite spies that chosen from all CPs (probably are also strong haki users etc ie stronger than CP9). I am inclined to not believe that they have stronger fighting powers than CP9 until we have seen them in actions. | ||
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