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On January 31 2014 04:10 shark. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2014 04:08 Sentenal wrote:On January 31 2014 03:48 rei wrote:
This level is just sad, you need to at least make a convincing logical argument that others can't refute unless they make some effort and critically think about it a little. Like 1) Enel has observation haki that extends 10km, 2) and his lightning attack range is 10km, 3) he has a spaceship that puts him easily anywhere outside of the range of anyone capable of defeating him if they get close enough.And based on these 3 premises which are facts of one piece that can't be refuted, argument is Enel is untouchable while he can freely nuke people with thunderbolt of god. Note how asnsensation said it's a dead horse? yet nobody here ever offered a counter argument based on how my argument is wrong, all they do is use red herring fallacy to distract from my argument and think they have won, or ad hominem attack on me by calling it trolling and even get so low as to report me to banlings to try to get me banned. Fujitora would rape him, assuming his abilities are what I think they are. Could just bring his space ship crashing to the surface. Plus his lightning is weak, 0 kills, can't even kill old men and cripples. Whitebeard didn't kill anyone mayne, he belongs with the East blue trash. Lucky Roo killed that bandit trash once though right? Clearly Lucky Roo > Everyone. Also Fujji couldn't even kill Law or Zoro. WTF is he gonna do against GOD?!?
His point isn't that whether you kill someone or not is what makes you strong he was merely stating that Enel's lighting is shit.
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On January 31 2014 03:02 Raneth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2014 02:56 Mensol wrote:
I dont think Doflamingo is strong. I still dont know how Law lost against him.
Remember Marineford war, he cant even beat Crocodile. I think he might be weaker than Hody Jones. Is this a deliberate troll post?
Yes. Mensol has been trying to bait people for a while now, usually nonsuccessfully because they're so obvious.
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On January 31 2014 04:08 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2014 03:48 rei wrote:
This level is just sad, you need to at least make a convincing logical argument that others can't refute unless they make some effort and critically think about it a little. Like 1) Enel has observation haki that extends 10km, 2) and his lightning attack range is 10km, 3) he has a spaceship that puts him easily anywhere outside of the range of anyone capable of defeating him if they get close enough.And based on these 3 premises which are facts of one piece that can't be refuted, argument is Enel is untouchable while he can freely nuke people with thunderbolt of god. Note how asnsensation said it's a dead horse? yet nobody here ever offered a counter argument based on how my argument is wrong, all they do is use red herring fallacy to distract from my argument and think they have won, or ad hominem attack on me by calling it trolling and even get so low as to report me to banlings to try to get me banned. Fujitora would rape him, assuming his abilities are what I think they are. Could just bring his space ship crashing to the surface. Plus his lightning is weak, 0 kills, can't even kill old men and cripples.
Fujitora would definitely pull him down from orbit and rape the shit out of him afterward, but he has to find him first, but then again he was able to find a meteor from outer space, if his ability is indeed gravity he could possibly have the ability to detect any gravitational disturbance created by the only spaceship in orbit. But his ability is still not reveal thus far, so we can't say for sure he can control gravity.
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rei, i would like to hear your thoughts on Shogun Franky vs Sanji.
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On January 31 2014 04:26 Mensol wrote:
rei, i would like to hear your thoughts on Shogun Franky vs Sanji.
Not enough data on what they are fully capable of. But it's safe to assume that Sanji is a lot faster than Franky, he could just runs around and keep evading attacks till franky runs out of cola.
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We didnt see him counting on cola after 2 years did we?
edit: wiki says he still uses cola.
Well Franky can attack with his Sword, i dont think it spends cola lol.
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On January 31 2014 04:44 Mensol wrote:
We didnt see him counting on cola after 2 years did we?
edit: wiki says he still uses cola.
Well Franky can attack with his Sword, i dont think it spends cola lol.
Cola is basically is energy if he has empty cola then he will be to fatigued to even move his sword.
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On January 31 2014 04:44 Mensol wrote:
We didnt see him counting on cola after 2 years did we?
that's true, and that's why there are too much uncertainty without enough data on what they are fully able to do. Only thing for certain is that Franky general can tank a shit ton of damage, and Sanji is super fast and his haki has observation color. which means he's reads opponent's movement better than he can use armament haki to defend / attack. So he can easily read and dodge Franky's attack but it is unclear whether or not he can deal crippling damage to Franky. Fear not, the upcoming fights with Doflamingo will show off what Franky is fully able to do. We already know Sanji's ceiling thou, he got owned by Doflamingo and he could possibly lose to vergo if the fight would continued since he wouldn't ran away from a lady in danger and would fought to the death with vergo.
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Franky has no ceiling as long as he possesses a G Stone and a heart full of courage.
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If Fujitora's power is gravity, then he can probably sense gravitons, which would allow him to obtain information at around the speed of light. Therefore, he would probably have a 300,000km radius instead of Enel's measly 10km. With observation Haki, Fujitora >>> Enel, ez.
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On January 31 2014 05:07 ghrur wrote:
If Fujitora's power is gravity, then he can probably sense gravitons, which would allow him to obtain information at around the speed of light. Therefore, he would probably have a 300,000km radius instead of Enel's measly 10km. With observation Haki, Fujitora >>> Enel, ez.
Even assuming he can obtain information that quickly, it takes longer for the brain to process that information. That bottleneck.
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On January 31 2014 05:20 sumsaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2014 05:07 ghrur wrote:
If Fujitora's power is gravity, then he can probably sense gravitons, which would allow him to obtain information at around the speed of light. Therefore, he would probably have a 300,000km radius instead of Enel's measly 10km. With observation Haki, Fujitora >>> Enel, ez. Even assuming he can obtain information that quickly, it takes longer for the brain to process that information. That bottleneck.
no it doesn't. Let me give you an analogy. Let's suppose there is an animal that rely on wave of the water motion to detect its environment like how bats use echolocation. you drop a pebble in to a lake, it will create ripples in form of wave. and if you are an animal living in the water that rely on wave to detect your surrounding you would instantly know the location of and the seize of the pebble that drop into that lake down to the texture details. and if someone were to throw 99999 pebbles of shit ton of different size and shape into the lake and creates 99999 ripples that all interferes with each other colliding and oscillating, that animal would also be able to tell the location and the details of each one of those pebbles. Just in case you wouldn't believe such animal exists, let me remind you that the very reason you can read these words on your monitor is because your brain instantly processes all the light wave that hits your eyes' nervs, which are also reflected off other objects over and over and interfere with each other millions of times between the source of the light and the receptor of your eyes. Yet you are able to tell the shapes and textures of very small details.
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Whitebeard didn't kill anybody? What about all the people that went flying like 2 miles in the air? How did they survive? People mention this 10km(mile?) haki, didn't do him much good because he STILL got his ass beat by someone who was not even CLOSE to Admiral level. He would easily get his ass beat by plenty of people. Marco, Jozu, Law, all the Admirals, luffy(again), Zoro, Sanji, almost all the Shichibukai, anybody with haki in the new world, the list goes on and on and on...
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On January 31 2014 03:02 Raneth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2014 02:56 Mensol wrote:
I dont think Doflamingo is strong. I still dont know how Law lost against him.
Remember Marineford war, he cant even beat Crocodile. I think he might be weaker than Hody Jones. Is this a deliberate troll post?
Mensol has tried to start flame wars with hes last posts, in fact its gone so far that I don't even read hes posts anymore
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This thread is becoming a giant troll fest
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On January 31 2014 06:53 Lylat wrote:
This thread is becoming a giant troll fest
Its why Oda created Enel.
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Yeah, it's too many attempts and those attempts aren't as good as they used to be.
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Calling it trolling without having any argument backing it up as to why it is trolling is simply an cheap escape to use your brain for critical thinking. An analogy of that would be the same as when 2 people arguing about evolution with scientific facts and then came along a 3rd guy and says god created everything and gives no evidence to back up his claim.
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More like there is no point talking about it when Oda has already said Enel isn't the strongest.
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If Enel were to return he would be stronger than when he was defeated by Luffy though. Enel is unlikely to return since he conquered the moon and should be fine with that. Moria, Crocodile and Buggy are all defeated arc villains that will likely return and will be stronger than when last saw them or relevant in a different way.
Moria has been strongly hinted to have been saved by Absalom plus sightings in extra material, he won't have his zombie army, but he has had 2 years to plot his revenge against either Kaido or Luffy. Crocodile confirmed alive and is probably with Mr 1 still and both characters are serious fighters. Buggy is strong because his crew which makes sense but is still weird since all the prisoners are just generic pirates.
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