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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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shark.
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
593 Posts
February 01 2014 20:19 GMT
#13021
Honestly the thing that Cp9/0 shows that most OP wankers will not accept is that the OP world cocked up with the whole powerlevel shit. Pre timeskip characters have turned out to have reached the top tier of the New World and be even be higher than luffy.

Crocodile, who was the first major person to be defeated,thought that WB was a fucking imbecile for even being hit by squard! I mean that alone means that the New World balance be skewed.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
February 01 2014 20:29 GMT
#13022
I guess an anology to my problem with CP0 is this: Imagine if all the sudden, out of nowhere, a new group of Marines was revealed that were stronger than the Admirals. After all the build up of the Admirals being made out to be the strongest military force of the Marines, creating a new set just to be stronger than them would be pretty bad, right? Or imagine what if a new group of Pirates stronger than the Yonkou were revealed out of nowhere? In my eyes, this is what happened with the CP9/CP0 thing.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
February 01 2014 20:35 GMT
#13023
Would all your issues with it disappear if they were simply not named CP0? Like instead they were called "super secret bad guy group who work patrol the new world".
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-01 20:37:38
February 01 2014 20:36 GMT
#13024
On February 02 2014 05:35 randombum wrote:
Would all your issues with it disappear if they were simply not named CP0? Like instead they were called "super secret bad guy group who work patrol the new world".

Sure. My issue is that their existence contradicts with what had already been established, or at least heavily implied (CP9 being the strongest of the Cipher Pols).
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
February 01 2014 21:07 GMT
#13025
On February 02 2014 05:29 Sentenal wrote:
I guess an anology to my problem with CP0 is this: Imagine if all the sudden, out of nowhere, a new group of Marines was revealed that were stronger than the Admirals. After all the build up of the Admirals being made out to be the strongest military force of the Marines, creating a new set just to be stronger than them would be pretty bad, right? Or imagine what if a new group of Pirates stronger than the Yonkou were revealed out of nowhere? In my eyes, this is what happened with the CP9/CP0 thing.


I totally get your point. Dragonball turned into shit because of how SSJ worked. A new villian? No problem i just use SSJ2 instead of SSJ1, which could turn out to be a problem in OP aswell. CP0 got destroyed? No problem here is CP0+ or something like that.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18723 Posts
February 01 2014 21:17 GMT
#13026
Isn't CP0 more like a group of executives?
I think CP9 was definitely strongest fighting wise, but CP0 has more authority (more people like spandem)?
Chro
Profile Joined May 2010
United States240 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-01 21:24:49
February 01 2014 21:24 GMT
#13027
Would it make it better if you believed oda planned it out like that from the start? I don't see him saying 'oh shit, thats right i got cp9 beat in the biggest fight when the manga was less than half done". They're agents of the nobles directly, every regime has these personal body guards that acted as part of the military but only took direct orders from the leader themselves. I'd assume admirals couldn't order these guys around.
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
February 01 2014 22:48 GMT
#13028
On February 02 2014 06:17 sharkie wrote:
Isn't CP0 more like a group of executives?
I think CP9 was definitely strongest fighting wise, but CP0 has more authority (more people like spandem)?


One question though. If they are weaker than CP9 in terms of fighting power, how are they going to affect anything now that people know that they are at Desrossa. Secret agents that are weak in terms of fighting power and no longer secret makes little sense to me.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
February 01 2014 22:52 GMT
#13029
How exactly is CP0 going to be weak? They're going to be scary as fuck.
maru lover forever
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18723 Posts
February 01 2014 23:00 GMT
#13030
On February 02 2014 07:48 Prog455 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2014 06:17 sharkie wrote:
Isn't CP0 more like a group of executives?
I think CP9 was definitely strongest fighting wise, but CP0 has more authority (more people like spandem)?


One question though. If they are weaker than CP9 in terms of fighting power, how are they going to affect anything now that people know that they are at Desrossa. Secret agents that are weak in terms of fighting power and no longer secret makes little sense to me.


have authorities like the buster call?
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
February 01 2014 23:13 GMT
#13031
On February 02 2014 08:00 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2014 07:48 Prog455 wrote:
On February 02 2014 06:17 sharkie wrote:
Isn't CP0 more like a group of executives?
I think CP9 was definitely strongest fighting wise, but CP0 has more authority (more people like spandem)?


One question though. If they are weaker than CP9 in terms of fighting power, how are they going to affect anything now that people know that they are at Desrossa. Secret agents that are weak in terms of fighting power and no longer secret makes little sense to me.


have authorities like the buster call?


I highly doubt that an intelligence agency can command cross-branches.
sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
February 01 2014 23:21 GMT
#13032
On February 02 2014 08:13 Prog455 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2014 08:00 sharkie wrote:
On February 02 2014 07:48 Prog455 wrote:
On February 02 2014 06:17 sharkie wrote:
Isn't CP0 more like a group of executives?
I think CP9 was definitely strongest fighting wise, but CP0 has more authority (more people like spandem)?


One question though. If they are weaker than CP9 in terms of fighting power, how are they going to affect anything now that people know that they are at Desrossa. Secret agents that are weak in terms of fighting power and no longer secret makes little sense to me.


have authorities like the buster call?


I highly doubt that an intelligence agency can command cross-branches.

Considering Spandam got his hands on one of those golden den den mushis it's not out of the question that someone in CP0 could too.
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
February 01 2014 23:44 GMT
#13033
On February 02 2014 08:21 sumsaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2014 08:13 Prog455 wrote:
On February 02 2014 08:00 sharkie wrote:
On February 02 2014 07:48 Prog455 wrote:
On February 02 2014 06:17 sharkie wrote:
Isn't CP0 more like a group of executives?
I think CP9 was definitely strongest fighting wise, but CP0 has more authority (more people like spandem)?


One question though. If they are weaker than CP9 in terms of fighting power, how are they going to affect anything now that people know that they are at Desrossa. Secret agents that are weak in terms of fighting power and no longer secret makes little sense to me.


have authorities like the buster call?


I highly doubt that an intelligence agency can command cross-branches.

Considering Spandam got his hands on one of those golden den den mushis it's not out of the question that someone in CP0 could too.


I guess that is right, but if i remember correctly Spandam was not supposed to initiate the Buster Call.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18723 Posts
February 01 2014 23:46 GMT
#13034
On February 02 2014 08:44 Prog455 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2014 08:21 sumsaR wrote:
On February 02 2014 08:13 Prog455 wrote:
On February 02 2014 08:00 sharkie wrote:
On February 02 2014 07:48 Prog455 wrote:
On February 02 2014 06:17 sharkie wrote:
Isn't CP0 more like a group of executives?
I think CP9 was definitely strongest fighting wise, but CP0 has more authority (more people like spandem)?


One question though. If they are weaker than CP9 in terms of fighting power, how are they going to affect anything now that people know that they are at Desrossa. Secret agents that are weak in terms of fighting power and no longer secret makes little sense to me.


have authorities like the buster call?


I highly doubt that an intelligence agency can command cross-branches.

Considering Spandam got his hands on one of those golden den den mushis it's not out of the question that someone in CP0 could too.


I guess that is right, but if i remember correctly Spandam was not supposed to initiate the Buster Call.


Anyone who gets a golden snail gets also the full authority to use it. Spandam just had no need to call one
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-01 23:50:48
February 01 2014 23:50 GMT
#13035
I still wonder why Aokiji gave Spandam his golden Snail for the bustercall anyway.
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
February 01 2014 23:53 GMT
#13036
On February 02 2014 08:46 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2014 08:44 Prog455 wrote:
On February 02 2014 08:21 sumsaR wrote:
On February 02 2014 08:13 Prog455 wrote:
On February 02 2014 08:00 sharkie wrote:
On February 02 2014 07:48 Prog455 wrote:
On February 02 2014 06:17 sharkie wrote:
Isn't CP0 more like a group of executives?
I think CP9 was definitely strongest fighting wise, but CP0 has more authority (more people like spandem)?


One question though. If they are weaker than CP9 in terms of fighting power, how are they going to affect anything now that people know that they are at Desrossa. Secret agents that are weak in terms of fighting power and no longer secret makes little sense to me.


have authorities like the buster call?


I highly doubt that an intelligence agency can command cross-branches.

Considering Spandam got his hands on one of those golden den den mushis it's not out of the question that someone in CP0 could too.


I guess that is right, but if i remember correctly Spandam was not supposed to initiate the Buster Call.


Anyone who gets a golden snail gets also the full authority to use it. Spandam just had no need to call one


You could also argue that anyone who has to be given a golden snail, does not have the authority to use a Buster Call by default.
Zeo1990
Profile Joined October 2011
United States132 Posts
February 01 2014 23:53 GMT
#13037
From what i remember and double checking the Wiki...

CP0 is indeed the strongest of the Cipher Pols. The bit where the confusion of CP9s strength is that in the manga they said that THIS generation of CP9 that the Strawhats faced were the strongest CP9...not the strongest of all the CPs just their own organization. The only reason CP9 is secret is because they are Government assassins unlike CP1-8 which are just investigation organizations.

SO i think its all still good? Its generally kind of early to tell since no body has faced the CP0 yet and we haven't seem them since they were introduced/that tiny flashback of their announcement. /shrug
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
February 01 2014 23:54 GMT
#13038
On February 02 2014 08:50 AsnSensation wrote:
I still wonder why Aokiji gave Spandam his golden Snail for the bustercall anyway.


In case he needed help in capturing Robin.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18723 Posts
February 01 2014 23:55 GMT
#13039
On February 02 2014 08:53 Prog455 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2014 08:46 sharkie wrote:
On February 02 2014 08:44 Prog455 wrote:
On February 02 2014 08:21 sumsaR wrote:
On February 02 2014 08:13 Prog455 wrote:
On February 02 2014 08:00 sharkie wrote:
On February 02 2014 07:48 Prog455 wrote:
On February 02 2014 06:17 sharkie wrote:
Isn't CP0 more like a group of executives?
I think CP9 was definitely strongest fighting wise, but CP0 has more authority (more people like spandem)?


One question though. If they are weaker than CP9 in terms of fighting power, how are they going to affect anything now that people know that they are at Desrossa. Secret agents that are weak in terms of fighting power and no longer secret makes little sense to me.


have authorities like the buster call?


I highly doubt that an intelligence agency can command cross-branches.

Considering Spandam got his hands on one of those golden den den mushis it's not out of the question that someone in CP0 could too.


I guess that is right, but if i remember correctly Spandam was not supposed to initiate the Buster Call.


Anyone who gets a golden snail gets also the full authority to use it. Spandam just had no need to call one


You could also argue that anyone who has to be given a golden snail, does not have the authority to use a Buster Call by default.


which is absolutely true, I think only admirals and higher have normally the right to call one
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-02 06:49:17
February 02 2014 06:48 GMT
#13040
On February 02 2014 08:55 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2014 08:53 Prog455 wrote:
On February 02 2014 08:46 sharkie wrote:
On February 02 2014 08:44 Prog455 wrote:
On February 02 2014 08:21 sumsaR wrote:
On February 02 2014 08:13 Prog455 wrote:
On February 02 2014 08:00 sharkie wrote:
On February 02 2014 07:48 Prog455 wrote:
On February 02 2014 06:17 sharkie wrote:
Isn't CP0 more like a group of executives?
I think CP9 was definitely strongest fighting wise, but CP0 has more authority (more people like spandem)?


One question though. If they are weaker than CP9 in terms of fighting power, how are they going to affect anything now that people know that they are at Desrossa. Secret agents that are weak in terms of fighting power and no longer secret makes little sense to me.


have authorities like the buster call?


I highly doubt that an intelligence agency can command cross-branches.

Considering Spandam got his hands on one of those golden den den mushis it's not out of the question that someone in CP0 could too.


I guess that is right, but if i remember correctly Spandam was not supposed to initiate the Buster Call.


Anyone who gets a golden snail gets also the full authority to use it. Spandam just had no need to call one


You could also argue that anyone who has to be given a golden snail, does not have the authority to use a Buster Call by default.


which is absolutely true, I think only admirals and higher have normally the right to call one

Technically the World Nobles are way above Admirals in terms of authority, since they have the ability to summon and command around them like dogs. I doubt they need to ask for their "permission" to use a golden den-den mushi.
you no take candle
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