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On February 03 2014 03:34 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2014 03:31 sc2holar wrote:On February 03 2014 02:59 Sentenal wrote:On February 02 2014 20:03 sc2holar wrote:On February 02 2014 19:34 GettingIt wrote:On February 02 2014 19:01 sc2holar wrote:
That is kinda my poiny too. Im curious to know what other plans they had in mind. Why would they have other plans? Because they could never be assured that Robin would appear. Yet they had their strongest CP9 members infiltrate Iceburg for 5 years. They must have thought of some other way to squeeze the Pluton blueprints from him? They inflitrated Galley-La, so I assume their paln was to either have Iceberg eventually hand the blueprints down to them normally, or something similar to the events that actually happened. Honestly, all Robin showing up did was speed up their plans. Their plan was to make Iceberg feel like his life was in danger, and then him pass on the blueprints to a sucessor, like what happened with Tom. And then swoop in and snatch them then. And thats pretty much what happened, all Robin did was help place the blame on the Strawhats fof a time. Wasnt it because they knew how scared of Robin Iceburg was because Tom had warned him and franky about her, based on the false government propaganda claiming that she along with the rest of the Oharas wanted to revive the ancient weapons? If they just needed to make him feel threatened, they could have done it years ago with one of their own guys in a mask. Its like having the Straw hats as culprints was a key component of the plan, the world government in one piece doesnt answer to anyone (with the exception of maybe the World Nobles) so they could just cover it up and blame some random pirate, or even the Franky family for all they care. they needed him to think it wasnt the WG though, if it was jsut Robin he may have thought "oh no she knows i can counter her i need tog et the plans somewhere safe" instead of "oh no the WG is making there move i need to keep the plans from them"
I dont think Iceburg was capable of instantly recognizing or identifying every single member of the WGs secret intelligence organization thought. They could have had one of them pretending to be a pirate or a revolutionary and do what robin did. Maybe even hire some random pirate to do the job if they really wanted.
Makes more sense than waiting years for one single individual who has remained hidden in the shadows for 20 years to suddenly show up in Water 7.
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If they could have just gotten the blueprints from Iceburg then the Water 7 arc would never have happened. Neither Iceburg nor franky were willing to ever give up the Blueprints. They feared Robin because of her being from ohara and what Tom had told them. Kuzan informed them of Robin being on her way to Water 7 and they hatched the plan of framing the strawhats etc. They were given 5 years to aquire the blueprints but it took for the strawhats to appear for there actually be a way to acquire them.
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They probably just didn't fill in the details of what they were doing. They were collecting information and trying to pin point the location so that they would be able to steal them. Robin coming + years of being unsuccessful in finding them just led to an opportunistic plan.
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On February 03 2014 03:41 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2014 03:34 Forikorder wrote:On February 03 2014 03:31 sc2holar wrote:On February 03 2014 02:59 Sentenal wrote:On February 02 2014 20:03 sc2holar wrote:On February 02 2014 19:34 GettingIt wrote:On February 02 2014 19:01 sc2holar wrote:
That is kinda my poiny too. Im curious to know what other plans they had in mind. Why would they have other plans? Because they could never be assured that Robin would appear. Yet they had their strongest CP9 members infiltrate Iceburg for 5 years. They must have thought of some other way to squeeze the Pluton blueprints from him? They inflitrated Galley-La, so I assume their paln was to either have Iceberg eventually hand the blueprints down to them normally, or something similar to the events that actually happened. Honestly, all Robin showing up did was speed up their plans. Their plan was to make Iceberg feel like his life was in danger, and then him pass on the blueprints to a sucessor, like what happened with Tom. And then swoop in and snatch them then. And thats pretty much what happened, all Robin did was help place the blame on the Strawhats fof a time. Wasnt it because they knew how scared of Robin Iceburg was because Tom had warned him and franky about her, based on the false government propaganda claiming that she along with the rest of the Oharas wanted to revive the ancient weapons? If they just needed to make him feel threatened, they could have done it years ago with one of their own guys in a mask. Its like having the Straw hats as culprints was a key component of the plan, the world government in one piece doesnt answer to anyone (with the exception of maybe the World Nobles) so they could just cover it up and blame some random pirate, or even the Franky family for all they care. they needed him to think it wasnt the WG though, if it was jsut Robin he may have thought "oh no she knows i can counter her i need tog et the plans somewhere safe" instead of "oh no the WG is making there move i need to keep the plans from them" I dont think Iceburg was capable of instantly recognizing or identifying every single member of the WGs secret intelligence organization thought. They could have had one of them pretending to be a pirate or a revolutionary and do what robin did. Maybe even hire some random pirate to do the job if they really wanted. Makes more sense than waiting years for one single individual who has remained hidden in the shadows for 20 years to suddenly show up in Water 7.
That's the point. No one can do what Robin does. There is no threat considered big enough for Iceburg until the only person that can activate the ancient weapon shows up right in front of him and interrogate him for the plans.
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Thinking about it, it doesn't really make sense that people as powerful as cp9 would have to go undercover for 5 years just to steal some blueprints.
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On February 03 2014 07:19 RebelSlayer wrote:
Thinking about it, it doesn't really make sense that people as powerful as cp9 would have to go undercover for 5 years just to steal some blueprints.
They were never sure of its existence or whereabouts. They acted like spies most of the time, even though they were trained to be assassins. A strong group such as CP9, going after an important objective such as a weapon, makes perfect sense to me.
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On February 03 2014 07:19 RebelSlayer wrote:
Thinking about it, it doesn't really make sense that people as powerful as cp9 would have to go undercover for 5 years just to steal some blueprints.
Iceburg had friends high up in the world goverment because he was making ships for them so CP9 couldn't touch him until they got to use robin as a scapegoat.
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On February 03 2014 07:19 RebelSlayer wrote:
Thinking about it, it doesn't really make sense that people as powerful as cp9 would have to go undercover for 5 years just to steal some blueprints.
having those blueprints is the same as having the world, thats worth 5 operatives
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On February 03 2014 07:19 RebelSlayer wrote:
Thinking about it, it doesn't really make sense that people as powerful as cp9 would have to go undercover for 5 years just to steal some blueprints.
Thinking about it, it doesn't really make sense that someone as powerful as Crocodile would have to overthrow a country just to steal some ancient boat.
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On February 03 2014 12:54 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2014 07:19 RebelSlayer wrote:
Thinking about it, it doesn't really make sense that people as powerful as cp9 would have to go undercover for 5 years just to steal some blueprints. Thinking about it, it doesn't really make sense that someone as powerful as Crocodile would have to overthrow a country just to steal some ancient boat.
i wonder if he thought to check the docks first
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Maybe we're all Romanian.
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If the World Government knew that someone as powerful as Enel already had a giant flying ship that he can operate by himself they would stop bothering to search for these weapons and give up in defeat.
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Isn't the arch maxim the third ancient weapon, uranus? (don't laugh, that's the actual name)
We know pluton and poseidon very closely by now. The warship franky had the plans to and the FI princess that can call a murder of seakings.
If you look at the names pluton, poseidon and uranus, you will notice with a google search that poseidon is the god of the sea, and the weapon poseidon is a person living under water, that pluton is the god of the underworld and by extension the god of the (deep) earth, and weapon pluton is a ship which sails on the surface of water.
Lastly uranus is the sky itself. The arch maxim is a flying ship that can produce thunderstorms. The flying doom arch being the ancient weapon named after the sky would be less of a stretch than pluton being a ship.
I seriously can't find out where I got this idea, or maybe it was my own.
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On February 03 2014 17:12 Mataza wrote:
Isn't the arch maxim the third ancient weapon, uranus? (don't laugh, that's the actual name)
We know pluton and poseidon very closely by now. The warship franky had the plans to and the FI princess that can call a murder of seakings.
If you look at the names pluton, poseidon and uranus, you will notice with a google search that poseidon is the god of the sea, and the weapon poseidon is a person living under water, that pluton is the god of the underworld and by extension the god of the (deep) earth, and weapon pluton is a ship which sails on the surface of water.
Lastly uranus is the sky itself. The arch maxim is a flying ship that can produce thunderstorms. The flying doom arch being the ancient weapon named after the sky would be less of a stretch than pluton being a ship.
I seriously can't find out where I got this idea, or maybe it was my own.
Enel and the old saint guard built Maxim, and nowhere it is implied that they used Uranus blueprints to do so.
Also ,Maxim needs Enel power to work, it wouldn't make sense for an ancient weapon to need a specific user.
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lets face it:
the "One Piece" is just the road to become Pirate King, the adventures, the friendships...
and the "Ancient Weapon" is just Luffy himself!
obviously
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I thought the theory that floated around before was that the "One Piece" was actually referring to the seas becoming one, instead of separated into 4 quadrants?
That seemed like a nice idea to me but anyway, enjoying the ride.
Continue your discussion guys. =)
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On February 03 2014 21:14 17Sphynx17 wrote:
I thought the theory that floated around before was that the "One Piece" was actually referring to the seas becoming one, instead of separated into 4 quadrants?
That seemed like a nice idea to me but anyway, enjoying the ride.
Continue your discussion guys. =)
Yeah that is by far the most sensible theory that has ever come out, and it echoes perfectly with Whitebeards last words. When someone finds one piece, the whole world will be turned upside down; the world governments oppression wich is physically manifested in the red line that prevents people from traveling freely across the oceans being brought down.
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Doesnt make sense at all.
If that was the case, why didnt roger just do it?
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On February 03 2014 17:47 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2014 17:12 Mataza wrote:
Isn't the arch maxim the third ancient weapon, uranus? (don't laugh, that's the actual name)
We know pluton and poseidon very closely by now. The warship franky had the plans to and the FI princess that can call a murder of seakings.
If you look at the names pluton, poseidon and uranus, you will notice with a google search that poseidon is the god of the sea, and the weapon poseidon is a person living under water, that pluton is the god of the underworld and by extension the god of the (deep) earth, and weapon pluton is a ship which sails on the surface of water.
Lastly uranus is the sky itself. The arch maxim is a flying ship that can produce thunderstorms. The flying doom arch being the ancient weapon named after the sky would be less of a stretch than pluton being a ship.
I seriously can't find out where I got this idea, or maybe it was my own. Enel and the old saint guard built Maxim, and nowhere it is implied that they used Uranus blueprints to do so. Also ,Maxim needs Enel power to work, it wouldn't make sense for an ancient weapon to need a specific user.
You got this idea from me, about 2 years ago i argued that Enel must have got both his devil fruit and the blueprint for the ancient weapon in together in the same place. The fruit is the power source of the ancient weapon, there is no way Enel could design something so advanced from scratch after he obtain his devil fruit, the whole reason he was staying in sky island for as long as he did was because he needed the time and the gold there to make his ancient weapon.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=89879¤tpage=242#4839
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=89879¤tpage=278#5545
there are more evidence to my claim of original poster that came up with this idea, just scroll down from those links. You can see people are resistant to everything i say about enel just because I said it. It doesn't matter if it makes sense logically. They won't even consider the possibility, the only instinct they have immediately is "he's trolling us, must resist" or "this sounds logical, and it makes sense, but I hate him for all these annoying Enel posts, so fuck this shit and treat it as troll post."
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On February 03 2014 22:08 Omnishroud wrote:
Doesnt make sense at all.
If that was the case, why didnt roger just do it?
To do the actual combining as per the theory would need time, which Roger no longer had with his declining health.
Can't exactly remember the specifics of the theory but it would need an ancient weapon (Pluton/Hades - if I am not mistaken) to destroy the Red Line island. To evacuate whoever people would need the Ark. To use Sea Kings to pull the Ark would need another ancient weapon which is currently Otohime (Poseidon/Neptune). Dont know where Uranus (Zeus) fits in all this.
Anyway, only looked it up now so maybe this statement is not expanded on. Don't know if someone made this claim already as well.
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