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sharkie
Austria18629 Posts
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On October 03 2012 10:33 Dark_Chill wrote: I've got it! Monet ate the Anivia-Anivia fruit!!! PUT UP ALL THE WALLS!!!!! Was thinking the exact same thing haha. On a discussion that's going: Doflamingo in my mind has always stood out as potentially one of the most powerful Shichibukai. There are some odd people that equate Shichibukai to "weaker than Yonkou" but that's not it at all. I see Doflamingo as someone who could be a Yonkou but has chosen to go about things in a less direct manner. But very powerful. With amazingly powerful subordinates. In the big whitebeard war Doflamingo looked nigh on invincible and Oda was giving him a lot of lines. AND Oda has this odd thing about trying to include Doflamingo within parts of arcs here and there. Basically: I'm liking the set up for him as a good villain. So really enjoying this arc. On chapter: Oh yeah! Smoker vs Vergo! | ||
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RenSC2
United States1086 Posts
Gekko Moriah - Weak crew and beaten by Luffy before he powered up. Already beaten by Kaido. However, was considered the weakest of the Shichibukai. Trafalgar Law - Hax OP devil fruit ability, but seemingly can't use it on strong Haki users (Vergo). The rest of his fighting abilities don't seem particularly good. Nothing outstanding in his crew (and I'd suspect they've all been captured/killed already by one of the Yonko), and has made a deal with Luffy to team up and try to take down a Yonko... something he would do solo if he could. Crocodile - couldn't compete against the likes of Whitebeard, so became a Shichibukai and stayed near the beginning of the grand line. Weak crew and beaten by Luffy before he powered up. If Crocodile takes thing a bit more seriously, he still has some real power available... Flamingo wanted him in his crew, but he refused. Jinbe - Powerful with unknown crew strength, but never strong enough on his own to protect Fishman Island. Always required either Whitebeard or Big Mom to protect the island and has decided to serve under Big Mom after Whitebeard's death. Hancock - Her strength is still not fully known, but her #1 and #2 were beaten by Luffy without too many problems before Luffy powered up. Her crew is likely similar to Jinbe's crew strength, her haki is nice but her devil fruit abilities are questionable against powerful characters. So her individual strength is good, but doesn't seem to be dominantly high like a Mihawk or Kuma. Kuma - Extremely powerful individually, but as a Shichibukai, doesn't seem to have any support like all the Yonko do. He's actually an underling to Dragon or Dr Vegapunk anyways. Mihawk - Is likely stronger than, but fought evenly against Vista (of Whitebeard crew). Individually, he seems to be as strong as anyone out there, but he seems to lack a crew and would get overwhelmed by any of the Yonko. Doflamingo - Individually seems to be amazingly strong. Also likes to be a puppetmaster pulling the strings and probably has a very strong crew. He's the one Shichibukai (other than Blackbeard) who seems to have potential as a Yonko if he wanted it. Blackbeard - Already a Yonko and is being set up as the biggest rival for achieving One Piece with his small crew of extremely powerful characters. So really, I only see Doflamingo as a Shichibukai with the potential to challenge the Yonko. Everyone else is notably weaker. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18629 Posts
And Mihawk is the final boss of Zorro so he might be as strong as Doflamingo. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On October 04 2012 03:31 RenSC2 wrote: As a general rule, I'd say that the Shichibukai are weaker than the Yonkou. Placing current and former Shichibukai in approximate power rank, weakest first: Gekko Moriah - Weak crew and beaten by Luffy before he powered up. Already beaten by Kaido. However, was considered the weakest of the Shichibukai. Trafalgar Law - Hax OP devil fruit ability, but seemingly can't use it on strong Haki users (Vergo). The rest of his fighting abilities don't seem particularly good. Nothing outstanding in his crew (and I'd suspect they've all been captured/killed already by one of the Yonko), and has made a deal with Luffy to team up and try to take down a Yonko... something he would do solo if he could. Crocodile - couldn't compete against the likes of Whitebeard, so became a Shichibukai and stayed near the beginning of the grand line. Weak crew and beaten by Luffy before he powered up. If Crocodile takes thing a bit more seriously, he still has some real power available... Flamingo wanted him in his crew, but he refused. Jinbe - Powerful with unknown crew strength, but never strong enough on his own to protect Fishman Island. Always required either Whitebeard or Big Mom to protect the island and has decided to serve under Big Mom after Whitebeard's death. Hancock - Her strength is still not fully known, but her #1 and #2 were beaten by Luffy without too many problems before Luffy powered up. Her crew is likely similar to Jinbe's crew strength, her haki is nice but her devil fruit abilities are questionable against powerful characters. So her individual strength is good, but doesn't seem to be dominantly high like a Mihawk or Kuma. Kuma - Extremely powerful individually, but as a Shichibukai, doesn't seem to have any support like all the Yonko do. He's actually an underling to Dragon or Dr Vegapunk anyways. Mihawk - Is likely stronger than, but fought evenly against Vista (of Whitebeard crew). Individually, he seems to be as strong as anyone out there, but he seems to lack a crew and would get overwhelmed by any of the Yonko. Doflamingo - Individually seems to be amazingly strong. Also likes to be a puppetmaster pulling the strings and probably has a very strong crew. He's the one Shichibukai (other than Blackbeard) who seems to have potential as a Yonko if he wanted it. Blackbeard - Already a Yonko and is being set up as the biggest rival for achieving One Piece with his small crew of extremely powerful characters. So really, I only see Doflamingo as a Shichibukai with the potential to challenge the Yonko. Everyone else is notably weaker. Mihawk outclassed everyone he fought in the war. He wasn't even touched so I don't see how their fight was even. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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RenSC2
United States1086 Posts
On October 04 2012 05:51 killa_robot wrote: Mihawk outclassed everyone he fought in the war. He wasn't even touched so I don't see how their fight was even. Beginning of their fight: http://www.manga-access.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/561/11 http://www.manga-access.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/561/12 End of fight: http://www.manga-access.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/562/10 The actual fight gets very few panels, but at the end of the fight, Vista remarks, "We both have a point in our favor!" Vista remains relatively untouched even at the end of the war. I have little doubt that Mihawk would eventually win, but Vista was able to hold his own and fight evenly in a short fight. I also wonder if Shiryu (former Jailer, now with Blackbeard) may actually be the end boss of all swordsmen. It would just seem odd for Zoro to fight Mihawk seriously at this point after the training. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On October 04 2012 08:17 RenSC2 wrote: Beginning of their fight: http://www.manga-access.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/561/11 http://www.manga-access.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/561/12 End of fight: http://www.manga-access.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/562/10 The actual fight gets very few panels, but at the end of the fight, Vista remarks, "We both have a point in our favor!" Vista remains relatively untouched even at the end of the war. I have little doubt that Mihawk would eventually win, but Vista was able to hold his own and fight evenly in a short fight. I also wonder if Shiryu (former Jailer, now with Blackbeard) may actually be the end boss of all swordsmen. It would just seem odd for Zoro to fight Mihawk seriously at this point after the training. True it said that, but we have no real reason to believe Mihawk was actually trying to win that whole time, whereas Vista was obviously trying his hardest to protect Luffy. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On October 04 2012 08:17 RenSC2 wrote: Beginning of their fight: http://www.manga-access.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/561/11 http://www.manga-access.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/561/12 End of fight: http://www.manga-access.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/562/10 The actual fight gets very few panels, but at the end of the fight, Vista remarks, "We both have a point in our favor!" Vista remains relatively untouched even at the end of the war. I have little doubt that Mihawk would eventually win, but Vista was able to hold his own and fight evenly in a short fight. I also wonder if Shiryu (former Jailer, now with Blackbeard) may actually be the end boss of all swordsmen. It would just seem odd for Zoro to fight Mihawk seriously at this point after the training. Shiryu could kill MiHawk, then Zoro gets to take revenge for the death of his Master AND become the best swordsman and then he doesnt get too headstrong because he never actually beat MiHawk (mihawk of course loses because of some treachery) | ||
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Ziken
Ghana1743 Posts
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On October 04 2012 13:05 Ziken wrote: Okay, guys, just a quick question since i dont want to destroy myself with spoilers :D, Im a huge fan of the anime, and Ive decided to pick up the manga, im currently on the latest translated episode of the anime, 564, basically around the part where hody and luffy fight, and im wondering whether there is enough content in the manga that i should start reading from scratch, or I should just continue the manga from where i am in the anime? The animes rarely leave anything out, but have to fill in to make up 24 minutes. You can start reading the manga from where the episodes left off. | ||
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RenSC2
United States1086 Posts
On October 04 2012 13:05 Ziken wrote: Okay, guys, just a quick question since i dont want to destroy myself with spoilers :D, Im a huge fan of the anime, and Ive decided to pick up the manga, im currently on the latest translated episode of the anime, 564, basically around the part where hody and luffy fight, and im wondering whether there is enough content in the manga that i should start reading from scratch, or I should just continue the manga from where i am in the anime? http://www.onepieceofficial.com/videos.aspx Absolute newest anime with subtitles = 566. And if you watch it from that link, the actual creator gets a little bit of advertising money. As to your question, the anime takes the manga and elaborates on it in many cases, so you should never miss any of the main story by watching the anime. However, I will say that the front page of the manga occasionally does a side story that sometimes is neglected by the anime. Like, it once did the return of Hacchi to Fishman Island and shows the process of Hacchi becoming friends with Cami along with the introduction of the Macro pirates (the wimpy fishmen who teamed up with the flying fish riders initially). Or another front page series showed what happened to Baroque works after their defeat. Another one shows what happened to Enel after his defeat. So, you do miss little tidbits that occasionally pop up later... like Hacchi being at Fishman Island. If that's worth it to you, then have fun starting fresh from the beginning. Otherwise, Anime 566 = 645+646 in manga. Enjoy. | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8092 Posts
On October 04 2012 03:31 RenSC2 wrote: As a general rule, I'd say that the Shichibukai are weaker than the Yonkou. Placing current and former Shichibukai in approximate power rank, weakest first: Gekko Moriah - Weak crew and beaten by Luffy before he powered up. Already beaten by Kaido. However, was considered the weakest of the Shichibukai. Trafalgar Law - Hax OP devil fruit ability, but seemingly can't use it on strong Haki users (Vergo). The rest of his fighting abilities don't seem particularly good. Nothing outstanding in his crew (and I'd suspect they've all been captured/killed already by one of the Yonko), and has made a deal with Luffy to team up and try to take down a Yonko... something he would do solo if he could. Crocodile - couldn't compete against the likes of Whitebeard, so became a Shichibukai and stayed near the beginning of the grand line. Weak crew and beaten by Luffy before he powered up. If Crocodile takes thing a bit more seriously, he still has some real power available... Flamingo wanted him in his crew, but he refused. Jinbe - Powerful with unknown crew strength, but never strong enough on his own to protect Fishman Island. Always required either Whitebeard or Big Mom to protect the island and has decided to serve under Big Mom after Whitebeard's death. Hancock - Her strength is still not fully known, but her #1 and #2 were beaten by Luffy without too many problems before Luffy powered up. Her crew is likely similar to Jinbe's crew strength, her haki is nice but her devil fruit abilities are questionable against powerful characters. So her individual strength is good, but doesn't seem to be dominantly high like a Mihawk or Kuma. Kuma - Extremely powerful individually, but as a Shichibukai, doesn't seem to have any support like all the Yonko do. He's actually an underling to Dragon or Dr Vegapunk anyways. Mihawk - Is likely stronger than, but fought evenly against Vista (of Whitebeard crew). Individually, he seems to be as strong as anyone out there, but he seems to lack a crew and would get overwhelmed by any of the Yonko. Doflamingo - Individually seems to be amazingly strong. Also likes to be a puppetmaster pulling the strings and probably has a very strong crew. He's the one Shichibukai (other than Blackbeard) who seems to have potential as a Yonko if he wanted it. Blackbeard - Already a Yonko and is being set up as the biggest rival for achieving One Piece with his small crew of extremely powerful characters. So really, I only see Doflamingo as a Shichibukai with the potential to challenge the Yonko. Everyone else is notably weaker. I don't think you can really rank them as you've done because its just opinion, until you see how the fights unfold between each character and their powers then its baseless | ||
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On October 04 2012 13:49 Scaramanga wrote: I don't think you can really rank them as you've done because its just opinion, until you see how the fights unfold between each character and their powers then its baseless id say its fairly accurate since some of them have fighting luffy in common TBH id agree with his ranking, seems fairly accurate though i think Law and Jimbei might be a bit low and ranking law based on fighting Vergo is a bit weak since Law spent his time mainly trying to get his heart back instead of cutting Vergo, Law DID beat Smoker in a one on one | ||
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RenSC2
United States1086 Posts
On October 04 2012 13:49 Scaramanga wrote: I don't think you can really rank them as you've done because its just opinion, until you see how the fights unfold between each character and their powers then its baseless Ah yes, don't take it as a comprehensive list of weakest to strongest. Some are more natural counters than others or are situational (like Jinbe could probably beat any non-flying devil fruit user in the open ocean). Things change, and I could always misread the situation. The main point was that the Shichibukai (with the probable exception of Doflamingo) are all at a lower level individually compared to the Yonko. But as a group they still serve as a major pillar of power balance in the One Piece world. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On October 04 2012 14:13 RenSC2 wrote: Ah yes, don't take it as a comprehensive list of weakest to strongest. Some are more natural counters than others or are situational (like Jinbe could probably beat any non-flying devil fruit user in the open ocean). Things change, and I could always misread the situation. The main point was that the Shichibukai (with the probable exception of Doflamingo) are all at a lower level individually compared to the Yonko. But as a group they still serve as a major pillar of power balance in the One Piece world. but if were talking yonkou weve only seen Black and whitebeard (and whitebeard is the exception not the rule) fight and havent even seen one of the 4 emporers and havent really seen big mam, the only way we can measure Shanks strength is he managed to stare down the shark thing but he got his army bit off so obviously his power level hadnt been decided back then in short we have no idea how the yonkou stack up compared to the Shichibukai the only thing we know is the yonkous each have a crew thats probably about the strength of the navy (like whitebeards) but if were talking personal power of each yonkou its a complete mystery | ||
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
On October 04 2012 14:13 RenSC2 wrote: Ah yes, don't take it as a comprehensive list of weakest to strongest. Some are more natural counters than others or are situational (like Jinbe could probably beat any non-flying devil fruit user in the open ocean). Things change, and I could always misread the situation. The main point was that the Shichibukai (with the probable exception of Doflamingo) are all at a lower level individually compared to the Yonko. But as a group they still serve as a major pillar of power balance in the One Piece world. Hmm Mihawk is actually much stronger then you give him credit for. He was able to fight Shanks 1v1 and at one time they were considered great rivals. So Mihawk is definitely on par with the Yonko if he is able to fight Shanks on even footing. I cant remember but Mihawk even said that since Shanks has lost his arm, Mihawk didnt even want to fight him anymore meaning that he is confident that he can beat Shanks without his other arm. Dont forget, some of Whitebeard pirates were GOOD. Damn good, like that phoenix guy, he can fight on par with the Admiral. It is safe to say that the guy that fight Mihawk during the great pirate war was definitely one of the stronger of the white beard and could probably fight the admiral on par too | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On October 04 2012 14:44 SheaR619 wrote: Hmm Mihawk is actually much stronger then you give him credit for. He was able to fight Shanks 1v1 and at one time they were considered great rivals. So Mihawk is definitely on par with the Yonko if he is able to fight Shanks on even footing. I cant remember but Mihawk even said that since Shanks has lost his arm, Mihawk didnt even want to fight him anymore meaning that he is confident that he can beat Shanks without his other arm. Dont forget, some of Whitebeard pirates were GOOD. Damn good, like that phoenix guy, he can fight on par with the Admiral. It is safe to say that the guy that fight Mihawk during the great pirate war was definitely one of the stronger of the white beard and could probably fight the admiral on par too Mihawks not a battle junkiw he didnt want to fight shanks cause there friends | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On October 04 2012 03:31 RenSC2 wrote: As a general rule, I'd say that the Shichibukai are weaker than the Yonkou. Placing current and former Shichibukai in approximate power rank, weakest first: Gekko Moriah - Weak crew and beaten by Luffy before he powered up. Already beaten by Kaido. However, was considered the weakest of the Shichibukai. Trafalgar Law - Hax OP devil fruit ability, but seemingly can't use it on strong Haki users (Vergo). The rest of his fighting abilities don't seem particularly good. Nothing outstanding in his crew (and I'd suspect they've all been captured/killed already by one of the Yonko), and has made a deal with Luffy to team up and try to take down a Yonko... something he would do solo if he could. Crocodile - couldn't compete against the likes of Whitebeard, so became a Shichibukai and stayed near the beginning of the grand line. Weak crew and beaten by Luffy before he powered up. If Crocodile takes thing a bit more seriously, he still has some real power available... Flamingo wanted him in his crew, but he refused. Jinbe - Powerful with unknown crew strength, but never strong enough on his own to protect Fishman Island. Always required either Whitebeard or Big Mom to protect the island and has decided to serve under Big Mom after Whitebeard's death. Hancock - Her strength is still not fully known, but her #1 and #2 were beaten by Luffy without too many problems before Luffy powered up. Her crew is likely similar to Jinbe's crew strength, her haki is nice but her devil fruit abilities are questionable against powerful characters. So her individual strength is good, but doesn't seem to be dominantly high like a Mihawk or Kuma. Kuma - Extremely powerful individually, but as a Shichibukai, doesn't seem to have any support like all the Yonko do. He's actually an underling to Dragon or Dr Vegapunk anyways. Mihawk - Is likely stronger than, but fought evenly against Vista (of Whitebeard crew). Individually, he seems to be as strong as anyone out there, but he seems to lack a crew and would get overwhelmed by any of the Yonko. Doflamingo - Individually seems to be amazingly strong. Also likes to be a puppetmaster pulling the strings and probably has a very strong crew. He's the one Shichibukai (other than Blackbeard) who seems to have potential as a Yonko if he wanted it. Blackbeard - Already a Yonko and is being set up as the biggest rival for achieving One Piece with his small crew of extremely powerful characters. So really, I only see Doflamingo as a Shichibukai with the potential to challenge the Yonko. Everyone else is notably weaker. I would agree for the most part but I would say croc is definately the weakest keep in mind this is pre geared luffy. Crocs only strength was his logia power. I'd put Moria next then Jinbe then Law than everything else as you have it. Possibly switching Doflamingo and Blackbeard for now. BB is probably going to be the main guy to fight at the end of the series but just like Luffy he has to grow in strength throughout the series. The shichibukai are not supposed to be all the same strength the WG just has a set number of pirates they want as warlords. When this number drops they look for someone else. The whole idea is just intimidation primarily on the first half of the grandline so more marines can be ready in case they have problems with the yonko and for there combined strength to be enough to turn the tide | ||
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