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So now that I think about it, wouldn't Caesar be able to outright negate Luffy's 2nd Gear? Cause it works by forcing his body to pump more oxygen to the muscles... And he'd need a heavily increased amount of oxygen to do it ;o
Obvs this is silly cause he could just suffocate him to death/unconsciousness, but just saying.
On July 11 2012 13:08 LiamTheZerg wrote: So now that I think about it, wouldn't Caesar be able to outright negate Luffy's 2nd Gear? Cause it works by forcing his body to pump more oxygen to the muscles... And he'd need a heavily increased amount of oxygen to do it ;o
Obvs this is silly cause he could just suffocate him to death/unconsciousness, but just saying.
Funny but true.Since Gear 2 revolves pumping oxygen to the muscles,on paper he could negate Luffy Gear 2. But since he can just suffocate him so yeah you know.
On July 11 2012 06:18 sharkie wrote: If Brook knows Haki he will destroy Caesar!
This'll be brooks time to shine. With a buncha minions + the children to save without hurting them and having a enemy that uses poison + gas. He should have one of the more noticeable roles in this one.
Brook doesn't need to breath but he does for some reason just like he eats and poops. At the very start of the arc he was hit by sleeping gas and knocked out so I assume he would also suffacate without oxygen. YES IT DOESN"T MAKE SENSE! But this is Brook he doesn't make sense and is a comedic effect that is taken seriously even more so than Sanji's nosebleeding.
My bets were on Brook (For the reasons explained above by you guys) and Franky (Because he took a glance at some Vegapunk stuff... also, since his front body is full of customizations, I'm not sure of how his lungs work at this point in time, he could very well be sustained by another energy source for a limited ammount of time or whatsnot.
Not sure if Oda would pull something like that, tho... I kind of hope the counter will be something more "silly" like Misu Luffy against Crocodile instead of an over elaborated and oddly specific/convenient super secret power of a main character
Next arc there will be a liquid liquid fruit user that can control water and all other liquids including blood in people's body. Then next arc there will be a solid solid fruit user that can control all solid matter >_>. Yeah and I know there was a water logia user but that was in a OP movie so it's not cannon.
And I'm sure when people say Domingo they mean Donquixote Doflamingo the Shibukaki.
On July 11 2012 11:05 Heh_ wrote: Okay, just remembered something: Luffy said he was immune to poison due to his fight with Mallegan, then when he lost to CC, CC said that it's because his poison was stronger. Then now CC says that he simply took away the oxygen around Luffy??
Pretty much.That was probably how he knocked out Luffy,Usopp,Nami(Sanji body),Smoker and the rest. Pretty hax power actually.But luckily he only can manipulated it within a fixed area meaning there is a limit so yeah.
Chapter 671 was structured in a way that Luffy's sudden collapse was due to delayed action of inhaling CC's gas.
CC never said his poison is superior to Magellan's. He showed disgust to his power being compared to Mallegan's who is a paramecia. Meaning that although Luffy is immune to CC's poison gas, CC can still use his Devil Fruit in other ways to take down Luffy.
The implication behind the series of panels is that Luffy succumbed to CC's gas. Now that it got revealed differently, don't say "I told you so" because no one did.
actually quite a few people mentioned that Maybe Caeser deprived luffy of oxygen
On July 11 2012 11:05 Heh_ wrote: Okay, just remembered something: Luffy said he was immune to poison due to his fight with Mallegan, then when he lost to CC, CC said that it's because his poison was stronger. Then now CC says that he simply took away the oxygen around Luffy??
Pretty much.That was probably how he knocked out Luffy,Usopp,Nami(Sanji body),Smoker and the rest. Pretty hax power actually.But luckily he only can manipulated it within a fixed area meaning there is a limit so yeah.
Chapter 671 was structured in a way that Luffy's sudden collapse was due to delayed action of inhaling CC's gas.
CC never said his poison is superior to Magellan's. He showed disgust to his power being compared to Mallegan's who is a paramecia. Meaning that although Luffy is immune to CC's poison gas, CC can still use his Devil Fruit in other ways to take down Luffy.
The implication behind the series of panels is that Luffy succumbed to CC's gas. Now that it got revealed differently, don't say "I told you so" because no one did.
actually quite a few people mentioned that Maybe Caeser deprived luffy of oxygen
Actually zero people mentioned that. One person mentioned "something besides poison gas". Actually, there wasn't much talk about how Luffy lost, so "a few people" is an incredible stretch.
On July 11 2012 11:05 Heh_ wrote: Okay, just remembered something: Luffy said he was immune to poison due to his fight with Mallegan, then when he lost to CC, CC said that it's because his poison was stronger. Then now CC says that he simply took away the oxygen around Luffy??
Pretty much.That was probably how he knocked out Luffy,Usopp,Nami(Sanji body),Smoker and the rest. Pretty hax power actually.But luckily he only can manipulated it within a fixed area meaning there is a limit so yeah.
Chapter 671 was structured in a way that Luffy's sudden collapse was due to delayed action of inhaling CC's gas.
CC never said his poison is superior to Magellan's. He showed disgust to his power being compared to Mallegan's who is a paramecia. Meaning that although Luffy is immune to CC's poison gas, CC can still use his Devil Fruit in other ways to take down Luffy.
The implication behind the series of panels is that Luffy succumbed to CC's gas. Now that it got revealed differently, don't say "I told you so" because no one did.
actually quite a few people mentioned that Maybe Caeser deprived luffy of oxygen
Actually zero people mentioned that. One person mentioned "something besides poison gas". Actually, there wasn't much talk about how Luffy lost, so "a few people" is an incredible stretch.
actually my quick look through a couple pages find 2 people mentioning it
On June 27 2012 17:30 Zholistic wrote: Looks like he's a Haki master that's related to Law. Awesome.
In other new I think that the move Caesar did on Luffy was to take away all his oxygen. It would make sense since he can control gas? Hmmm.
Cool Zoro will get to learn new sword stylez. Yay. Great Chapter.
On June 28 2012 10:38 BlackMagister wrote: Well yes I'm not saying there wasn't any sort of fowl play, but enemies like Crocodile and Enel did defeat the Strawhats several times before the Strawhats defeated them. Whether Strawhats need to use some sort of special fighting method/tool, figuring out the enemy or getting stronger within the arc it still doesn't change the fact their opponents sometimes win, but just get cocky. Caesar right now has won and even if he wants to use the Strawhats and Marines for an experiment he is better off killing them and finding some sort of alternative, but of course he won't because this is a story where Luffy and his crew are the heroes.
Sleeping gas seems to be the way Caesar defeated them but not? The people who were knocked out look like they were blasted by haki and is commented by the characters too as they have the shocked look instead of a sleeping pose when they were gassed the first time. Not to mention if it were gas how did it only hit the Caesar's enemies although maybe Caesar can control the flow of gas too. If it is gas that knocked them out it's different then the sleeping gas used at the start of the arc.
Caeser was just as surprised about Luffy going down as everyone else, so I doubt he did anything himself. Luffy mentioned a few pages beforehand that after Impeldown he was pretty resistant to what Caeser was doing. Seemed like the patented scene where the villain takes credit for something someone else did.
extremely unlikely, Luffy is pretty much completely immune to any kind of poison thanks to Magellan and Ikanov, but hes still jsut as vulnerable to things like nerve gases, sleeping gas, hallucinatory gases e.t.c
plus he still needs to BREATH so Caeser could be constantly expelling gas (or holding the already expelled gas) in an area around strawhat and preventing fresh air from reaching him
granted my theory (the second one) was not completely on the mark but the first one by Zholistic was dead on
On July 11 2012 11:05 Heh_ wrote: Okay, just remembered something: Luffy said he was immune to poison due to his fight with Mallegan, then when he lost to CC, CC said that it's because his poison was stronger. Then now CC says that he simply took away the oxygen around Luffy??
Pretty much.That was probably how he knocked out Luffy,Usopp,Nami(Sanji body),Smoker and the rest. Pretty hax power actually.But luckily he only can manipulated it within a fixed area meaning there is a limit so yeah.
Chapter 671 was structured in a way that Luffy's sudden collapse was due to delayed action of inhaling CC's gas.
CC never said his poison is superior to Magellan's. He showed disgust to his power being compared to Mallegan's who is a paramecia. Meaning that although Luffy is immune to CC's poison gas, CC can still use his Devil Fruit in other ways to take down Luffy.
The implication behind the series of panels is that Luffy succumbed to CC's gas. Now that it got revealed differently, don't say "I told you so" because no one did.
actually quite a few people mentioned that Maybe Caeser deprived luffy of oxygen
Actually zero people mentioned that. One person mentioned "something besides poison gas". Actually, there wasn't much talk about how Luffy lost, so "a few people" is an incredible stretch.
actually my quick look through a couple pages find 2 people mentioning it
On June 28 2012 10:38 BlackMagister wrote: Well yes I'm not saying there wasn't any sort of fowl play, but enemies like Crocodile and Enel did defeat the Strawhats several times before the Strawhats defeated them. Whether Strawhats need to use some sort of special fighting method/tool, figuring out the enemy or getting stronger within the arc it still doesn't change the fact their opponents sometimes win, but just get cocky. Caesar right now has won and even if he wants to use the Strawhats and Marines for an experiment he is better off killing them and finding some sort of alternative, but of course he won't because this is a story where Luffy and his crew are the heroes.
Sleeping gas seems to be the way Caesar defeated them but not? The people who were knocked out look like they were blasted by haki and is commented by the characters too as they have the shocked look instead of a sleeping pose when they were gassed the first time. Not to mention if it were gas how did it only hit the Caesar's enemies although maybe Caesar can control the flow of gas too. If it is gas that knocked them out it's different then the sleeping gas used at the start of the arc.
Caeser was just as surprised about Luffy going down as everyone else, so I doubt he did anything himself. Luffy mentioned a few pages beforehand that after Impeldown he was pretty resistant to what Caeser was doing. Seemed like the patented scene where the villain takes credit for something someone else did.
extremely unlikely, Luffy is pretty much completely immune to any kind of poison thanks to Magellan and Ikanov, but hes still jsut as vulnerable to things like nerve gases, sleeping gas, hallucinatory gases e.t.c
plus he still needs to BREATH so Caeser could be constantly expelling gas (or holding the already expelled gas) in an area around strawhat and preventing fresh air from reaching him
granted my theory (the second one) was not completely on the mark but the first one by Zholistic was dead on
Somehow I missed that one... Posting when you just woke up is not a good idea...
On July 11 2012 11:05 Heh_ wrote: Okay, just remembered something: Luffy said he was immune to poison due to his fight with Mallegan, then when he lost to CC, CC said that it's because his poison was stronger. Then now CC says that he simply took away the oxygen around Luffy??
Pretty much.That was probably how he knocked out Luffy,Usopp,Nami(Sanji body),Smoker and the rest. Pretty hax power actually.But luckily he only can manipulated it within a fixed area meaning there is a limit so yeah.
Chapter 671 was structured in a way that Luffy's sudden collapse was due to delayed action of inhaling CC's gas.
CC never said his poison is superior to Magellan's. He showed disgust to his power being compared to Mallegan's who is a paramecia. Meaning that although Luffy is immune to CC's poison gas, CC can still use his Devil Fruit in other ways to take down Luffy.
The implication behind the series of panels is that Luffy succumbed to CC's gas. Now that it got revealed differently, don't say "I told you so" because no one did.
I hope to see at the end of this arc Luffy Trafalgar and Kidd making an alliance and taking someone down, that'd be awesome. It probably won't happen though.
Unsure how they're going to escape... It'd be awesome if Luffy could break those chains (possible) but seastone has been shown to be pretty potent up until now.
On July 11 2012 06:18 sharkie wrote: If Brook knows Haki he will destroy Caesar!
This'll be brooks time to shine. With a buncha minions + the children to save without hurting them and having a enemy that uses poison + gas. He should have one of the more noticeable roles in this one.
Brook doesn't need to breath but he does for some reason just like he eats and poops. At the very start of the arc he was hit by sleeping gas and knocked out so I assume he would also suffacate without oxygen. YES IT DOESN"T MAKE SENSE! But this is Brook he doesn't make sense and is a comedic effect that is taken seriously even more so than Sanji's nosebleeding.
On July 11 2012 06:18 sharkie wrote: If Brook knows Haki he will destroy Caesar!
But his lungs will hurt, though being a skeleton he has no lungs to hurt. YOHOHOHOHO
therefore, brook vs. cc, hax vs hax zoro vs vergo, strength battle sanji (in nami's body) vs. wing girl, for obvious reasons. also sanji can fly samurai person vs. canon fodders
I can already see the climax of this chapter, probably some really random things along the way but still...
EPT
Weak spot.
